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I'm not sure how I feel about an npc army getting competitive rules. Dying in droves was cinematic and fluffy
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Hixson posted:I'm not sure how I feel about an npc army getting competitive rules. Dying in droves was cinematic and fluffy  Cruddance account spotted
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Nov 1, 2017 21:30
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Anyone aside from chutche2 wanna give me a cupola SM army building tips?
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Nov 1, 2017 21:41
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mango sentinel posted:Anyone aside from chutche2 wanna give me a cupola SM army building tips? You probably want some lascannons. And assault cannons. Assault marines, while sharing one word with the cannons, are trash. I disagree that tac squads without transports are bad, a 5 man squad with a lascannon is a decent backfield objective camper. Leviathan dreads are really good. Tanks, dreads, and other vehicles in general are good. You're raven guard, so given how good your chapter tactic is I'd lean towards getting dreads over tanks.
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Nov 1, 2017 21:47
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Yeah ironically the best thing for stealthy Raven Guard to field is gunline dreads, and the arguably best candidate for their stealthy infiltrate strategem is Assault Centurions.
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mango sentinel posted:Anyone aside from chutche2 wanna give me a cupola SM army building tips? bobby g and three ravens with scouts to do some turn one zoning before they all die Outside of that, some sort of chapter master/LT combo with ravens and scouts razorspam is next good with reroll bubbles You can do a worse version with ravenguard aggressors but it's not very fun if you go second, at least the ravens are mobile and bobby can murder most things he touches to get out of the corner or whatever basically the good stuff in the marine book is rerolling bubbles with dense shooting models, scouts for zone control, libbys on bikes for null zone, and maybe a couple of probably jump characters to abuse the relic chain sword and/or the swing twice stratgem with a thunderhammer If the reroll bubbles get nerfed marines will be probably the third worst army in the game.
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Nov 1, 2017 21:50
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How are Venerable Dreads if I don't want to drop cash on Leviathans?
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Naramyth posted:If the reroll bubbles get nerfed marines will be probably the third worst army in the game. In your opinion, what's the current ranking/tiering look like, and where do you think New Tyranids(tm) will fall out?
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mango sentinel posted:How are Venerable Dreads if I don't want to drop cash on Leviathans? If you use a chapter master reroll bubble the extra price over regular dreads aren't really worth it, otherwise they're nice. 8 wounds is pretty fragile though.
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Nov 1, 2017 21:59
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mango sentinel posted:How are Venerable Dreads if I don't want to drop cash on Leviathans? Dreadnoughts should be T8. 
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Nov 1, 2017 22:00
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mango sentinel posted:How are Venerable Dreads if I don't want to drop cash on Leviathans? I haven't tried it, but I have heard good things. You might be better off with regular dreadnaughts if they are paling around with Guilliman. If I had the models I'd be all about trying to do a Dreadnaught parking lot, which has the benefit of not being as vulnerable as Razorbacks to getting stuck in combat, and can kick a few guys while they are at it. The downside is dreads aren't as point efficient or mobile as Razors, and you can't get twin assault cannons on them either, which is really the reason Razors are so gross. They also had the added benefit on not degrading like Razorbacks. I wouldn't recommend Vens as a substitute for Leviathans simply because half of what makes a Leviathan so great is its durability, something vens don't get.
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Nov 1, 2017 22:03
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mango sentinel posted:How are Venerable Dreads if I don't want to drop cash on Leviathans? Lascannon/ML vendreads parked in your backfield are fantastic. They're pretty cheap, durable at that range especially if you have 2 or 3, can be healed by a cheapo Techmarine, benefit from Raven Guard tactic.
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I'm basically hosed as an SM player because I don't want Guilliman, which I already knew. Means I'm well positioned if they ever nerf him though.  
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You can totally do twin AC if you go with mortis dreads But yeah marines are all about reroll bubbles and ven dreads are paying a lot of extra points for not much benefit if it's rerolling
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TheChirurgeon posted:In your opinion, what's the current ranking/tiering look like, and where do you think New Tyranids(tm) will fall out? Probably better than craftworld, even after the alleged smite nerf because of the ease of having little guys for board control. It'll be hard to be chaos good, but I think they will be probably comparable to guard. Big gun line duders with a lot of forward little guys. Big bugs moving forward seems like it'll probably be a trap since they will get ahead of their defensive bubbles and can get torn down with midrange shooting and countercharges.
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mango sentinel posted:I'm basically hosed as an SM player because I don't want Guilliman, which I already knew. Play Shrike/Pedro/lysnader/Dante/Azeral and a LT then. It's not as good but at least you are out of ultras. Honestly DA is probably the next best just for the 4++ and -1 hit bubbles.
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Nov 1, 2017 22:19
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Naramyth posted:Play Shrike/Pedro/lysnader/Dante/Azeral and a LT then. It's not as good but at least you are out of ultras. It's kinda lame that Lysander is a reroll 1s instead of reroll hits character.
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chutche2 posted:It's kinda lame that Lysander is a reroll 1s instead of reroll hits character. You play Crimson Fists anyways, don't you? Pedro Kantor seems pretty solid.
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Pendent posted:You play Crimson Fists anyways, don't you? Pedro Kantor seems pretty solid. Right, I didn't complain about Kantor. Just think it's lame that most of the others reroll hits but the fists don't. But then not all of the chapters even get a character.
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Naramyth posted:Probably better than craftworld If you mix craftworld and ynnari detachments, the stratagems compliment strength from death quite nicely. I play against a Magnus/Renegades list with 8ish malefic lords, 6 mortars and 3 basilisks a couple times a week and I haven't lost since the point reductions.
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Did somebody say venerable? I may go back and do a bunch of tiny writing and maltese crosses on the parchment, tidy up highlights etc...at some point. Painting up Venerable Brother Thaddeus has also made me go and buy the chaplain dread, just so he has a buddy to stomp around with.
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chutche2 posted:Right, I didn't complain about Kantor. Just think it's lame that most of the others reroll hits but the fists don't. But then not all of the chapters even get a character. Lysander is the first / third company captain, depending on the time frame. The chapter master runs around in power armor with a thunder hammer in each hand.
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TWSS posted:If you mix craftworld and ynnari detachments, the stratagems compliment strength from death quite nicely. I play against a Magnus/Renegades list with 8ish malefic lords, 6 mortars and 3 basilisks a couple times a week and I haven't lost since the point reductions. What do your lists look like?
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Lysander is the first / third company captain, depending on the time frame. The chapter master runs around in power armor with a thunder hammer in each hand. Does anybody even know the chapter master's name?
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Pendent posted:Does anybody even know the chapter master's name?
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DeceasedHorse posted:What do your lists look like? ++ Outrider Detachment (CP +1) (Aeldari_Unified) [565 Pts] ++ + HQ + The Yncarne [337 Pts] + Fast Attack + Shining Spears [80 Pts]: Shining Spear Exarch, Star Lance . 2x Shining Spear: 2x Laser Lance Shining Spears [80 Pts]: Shining Spear Exarch, Star Lance . 2x Shining Spear: 2x Laser Lance Swooping Hawks [68 Pts]: Hawk's Talon, Swooping Hawk Exarch . 4x Swooping Hawk: 4x Lasblaster ++ Battalion (CP +3) (Aeldari_Unified) [906 Pts] ++ + Troops + Dire Avengers [64 Pts]: Dire Avenger Exarch . 4x Dire Avenger: 4x Avenger Shuriken Catapult . Two Avenger Catapults: 2x Avenger Shuriken Catapult Guardian Defenders [190 Pts]: 20x Guardian, 2x Heavy Weapon Platform, 2x Shuriken Cannon Guardian Defenders [80 Pts]: 10x Guardian + Elites + Shadow Spectres [69 Pts] . 3x Shadow Spectre: 3x Prism Rifle + HQ + Farseer Skyrunner [140 Pts]: Singing Spear, Twin Shuriken Catapult Yvraine [132 Pts] + Heavy Support + Dark Reapers [231 Pts]: Dark Reaper Exarch, Shuriken Cannon . 8x Dark Reaper: 8x Reaper Launcher ++ Patrol (CP +0) (Aeldari_Unified) [369 Pts] ++ + HQ + Warlock [35 Pts]: Witchblade + Flyer + Hemlock Wraithfighter [200 Pts] + Dedicated Transport + Wave Serpent [134 Pts]: Shuriken Cannon, Twin Shuriken Cannon + 'Faction + Craftworlds - Alaitoc ++ Total: [1840 Pts] ++ This was the last list I ran, webway strike on the guardian blob with the farseer skyrunner doing a zoom and doom was really effective.
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TWSS posted:++ Outrider Detachment (CP +1) (Aeldari_Unified) [565 Pts] ++ How are you getting min size Shining Spear squads for 80pts? My codex says 95. Might need to check if that's off an app/listbuilder program.
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Safety Factor posted:Vladimir Pugh was the last one I knew of. Maybe that's changed since. It’s the utterly forgettable Vorn Hagen now.
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Genghis Cohen posted:How are you getting min size Shining Spear squads for 80pts? My codex says 95. Might need to check if that's off an app/listbuilder program. He's not counting the 15 points from the twin shuriken catapults on the bikes. EDIT: Also, a Hemlock Wraithfighter is 210, not 200. You have to spend 10 points on the Spirit Stones. See FAQ of Imperium I for precedent on this.
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Genghis Cohen posted:How are you getting min size Shining Spear squads for 80pts? My codex says 95. Might need to check if that's off an app/listbuilder program. EDIT: oops
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Okay, the list builder is definitely wrong, but I actually had 1840 instead of 1850 to account for the spirit stones on the Hemlock.
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TWSS posted:18 pts for a shining spear 18 pts for a shining spear 8 pts for laser lance 10 points for star lance 5 points fo shuriken catapults 18+18+18+8+8+10+5+5+5=95
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My Eldar trip report from club night - Eldar are great. Played a 2k game against a mostly guard, some blood angels imperium player (Armageddon guard with 3 chimaeras, 2 hellhound/devil dog like things and 2 anti tank specced russes, one of which was a commander, then a bunch of guard units, and a patrol of two scout squads and a terminator librarian). I fielded a slightly modified version of the brigade list I posted back in the thread, changing the banshee unit to MSU, swapping the scorpions for another MSU banshee squad and using spare points to swap the night spinner to a fire prism and the warlock with singing spear to a spiritseer. Game ended on turn 6 with me tabling my opponent (though due to some tactical errors on my part I would have lost if game had ended on 5, though I had a cmd point saved and it was my roll so it was only 1/9). Some thoughts: - Fire prisms are great. Mine parked at the back of the table next to my Autarch and spewed hot laser death. Focused beam averaging four shots sitting in a reroll bubble is some nasty stuff. - The Biel Tan trait is really, really good. Rerolling shuriken shots is a great incremental bonus, and the +1 leadership on aspect warriors played way better than it sounded on paper - it effectively meant that my opponent had to allocate firepower to wiping out every last one of my small aspect warrior units (of which I had 7 in the bit of my army that went to fight on the front line) to the last elf. - banshees are great. They don’t kill anything, but a squad of five multi-charging into tank lines to deny turns of shooting is a bargain use of points. - webway strike is pretty much exactly as good as it looks. The game kicked off with my wraithguard striding out of the webway and wiping out the leman russ commander in a single turn,. My guardians had a bit of a bad run, but i think the theory of dropping them in and then putting on celestial shroud to demand a high price in shooting to shift them is sound, but my pretty good first turn of shooting was balanced out by me being utterly unable to roll saving throws for my opponents first one, and the guardians died horribly. - Phoenix gem is a trap choice in any sort of “fire base” army and so to an extent is Fate’s messenger. When I take the army out again I’d swap my autarch to the falcon wing relic and the Biel Tan warlord trait so he can redeploy quickly to where his bubble plus Biel Tan warlord power rerolls were needed. - I backed out of taking any of the new powers on my farseer and honestly don’t regret it. I had fortune/doom, and ended up using doom/smite on most turns. If any of the others were going to be useful I’d say it would have been executioner, probably instead of Fortune, as you have lots of high value targets so if you fortune one your opponents just shoots another. I think there would potentially be mileage now in having an “attack” farseer on a jet bike to go with the front lines with executioner/doom and a standard guide/fortune one to stay with the firebase. Jinx/protect on the spiritseer was nice for the first two turns until things were close enough for smite time though, but I might have got more use out of quicken/restrain. - I could and should have gotten some good mileage out of “Runes of witnessing”. - I still need to remember that I can shield discharge with serpents - I could have very nearly guaranteed the win even with a t5 finish if I had. The army seems super good overall - the fact that you can just vomit units onto the battlefield now and (especially with Biel Tan shuriken rerolls) every single one of them threatens to do some amount of damage if left unanswered is incredible.
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Tyranids were easily one of the stronger index armies and their codex looks loving terrifying My best friend and my main ham-slam opponent is a Tyranid player and he's generally beating me two-thirds of the time and I think this is going to ensure that I am never going to win again
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Wait wait wait... If Tyranids are good does that mean... * Waits until midnight * * Stares into mirror * BROKEN LOOSE BROKEN LOOSE BROKEN LOOSE
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My store does their 40k Armies on Parade this coming Saturday. I just got it to a point where I'm happy with it. The positioning of the squads isn't really set other than the three tanks, so if anyone has input on that its welcome. I've got quite a bit of other options to replace stuff.          Album with the WIPs: https://imgur.com/a/3PUQc
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TKIY posted:Wait wait wait... If Tyranids are good does that mean... The legends, they...they can’t be true!
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That is a fantastic display, I especially like the Sevrin Loth Jump-Librarian conversion.
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That's an awesome display, and those Blood Angels look amazing. I think the way you positioned it is perfect. My only advice is mash down those tufts on the sides a bit, because grass or bushes don't naturally stick straight up, they grow out along the sides some.
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Naramyth posted:
Im surprised we haven't seen more of this. I remember a guy having a pretty vicious list at ATC.
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