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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007


sad that even uber, a garbage company run by monsters, is more willing to ban nazis than twitter

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Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

lmao

Seriously,

lmao

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Dreddout posted:

I think Leninism is so far removed from the modern West as to be unapplicable as a theory. I'm inclined to think Lenin would agree. :shrug:

Leninism is important in the development of theory on imperialism, but the timeframe where Leninism was still a viable revolutionary praxis is long gone. Lenin is relevant even if Leninism isn't, I guess is what I'm saying.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Khruschev was the original corncob.

I am not a deviationist! I am not a deviationist! I continue to insist as I shrink and slowly turn into a tractor station.

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound

Elephant Ambush posted:

If you lust for blood and torture and revenge you're really hosed up and not really part of a practical solution so gently caress off with your bullshit "this is a joke thread/forum" excuses.

nazis meeting horrible ends will never not own, hth

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Nazis have literally surrendered their humanity and deserve endless torment.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!
While it is right and proper to desire Nazis getting what they've got coming, the more poetic the better, it's still gettin' a little creepy with the torture lust guys.

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound
to be clear im not lusting for their torture

im sure as poo poo gonna lol hard if it happens/happened though

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Captain_Maclaine posted:

While it is right and proper to desire Nazis getting what they've got coming, the more poetic the better, it's still gettin' a little creepy with the torture lust guys.

I’m just as history determined me, sir. I’m as surprised as anyone. I thought I’d be a milquetoast liberal office manager or something, but dialectical materialism had other plans.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Gringostar posted:

to be clear im not lusting for their torture

im sure as poo poo gonna lol hard if it happens/happened though

"We tortured some Nazi folks" - Josef Obama

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I am in favour of every Nazi, neo-nazi, collaborator, quisling, fascist, border militia member, Pepe, etc receiving a single bullet to the back of the head in an alley. People salivating at the prospect of them being tortured horribly is moving away from cool and good politics and into the realm of dudes who watched Hostel a bunch of times during their formative years and internalised it wrongly

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Crane Fist posted:

I am in favour of every Nazi, neo-nazi, collaborator, quisling, fascist, border militia member, Pepe, etc receiving a single bullet to the back of the head in an alley. People salivating at the prospect of them being tortured horribly is moving away from cool and good politics and into the realm of dudes who watched Hostel a bunch of times during their formative years and internalised it wrongly

this. i was just saying, i am fine with the way those people died and Himmler not dying well after killing millions of people is a little bit of justice in the world.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Crane Fist posted:

I am in favour of every Nazi, neo-nazi, collaborator, quisling, fascist, border militia member, Pepe, etc receiving a single bullet to the back of the head in an alley. People salivating at the prospect of them being tortured horribly is moving away from cool and good politics and into the realm of dudes who watched Hostel a bunch of times during their formative years and internalised it wrongly

Sorry dude, Himmler dying of excruciating pain while British doctors very politely attempted to induce vomiting is funny.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Sorry dude, Himmler dying of excruciating pain while British doctors very politely attempted to induce vomiting is funny.

In contradiction of my own thesis this is actually a very funny image, because I imagine it going like something from a Carry On film

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Stalin's death is also inherently funny regardless of your sympathies. Dying of a stroke because you trained your bodyguard to never come into your office under any circumstances is funny.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Sorry dude, Himmler dying of excruciating pain while British doctors very politely attempted to induce vomiting is funny.

What about that one attempted assassin of Archduke Franz Ferdinand who completely failed to kill him?

If I remember correctly, the Archduke just threw the grenade back out of his car and went on with his life (for like, another hour). The assassin swallowed cyanide and tried to simultaneously drown himself in a river, but the cyanide was expired and the river was dried up so he just kinda flopped around vomiting in a muddy ditch while the crowd beat him up.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

chitoryu12 posted:

What about that one attempted assassin of Archduke Franz Ferdinand who completely failed to kill him?

If I remember correctly, the Archduke just threw the grenade back out of his car and went on with his life (for like, another hour). The assassin swallowed cyanide and tried to simultaneously drown himself in a river, but the cyanide was expired and the river was dried up so he just kinda flopped around vomiting in a muddy ditch while the crowd beat him up.

it bounced off the car and exploded near a following car injuring some officers. he jumps off the bridge and he brakes both his legs and then vomited while thrashing about, while getting beat up by a mob. it was bad day for that dude.

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Sorry dude, Himmler dying of excruciating pain while British doctors very politely attempted to induce vomiting is funny.

yeah

this

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

honestly i never knew that until this evening. i always read he got captured and when they wern't looking he crushed the tablet and died.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

chitoryu12 posted:

What about that one attempted assassin of Archduke Franz Ferdinand who completely failed to kill him?

If I remember correctly, the Archduke just threw the grenade back out of his car and went on with his life (for like, another hour). The assassin swallowed cyanide and tried to simultaneously drown himself in a river, but the cyanide was expired and the river was dried up so he just kinda flopped around vomiting in a muddy ditch while the crowd beat him up.

IIRC, Gavrilo Princip was in a sandwich shop after the assassination attempt failed and the Black Hand assumed Ferdinand got away. He had no idea the motorcade took a detour down his street, so he was literally walking out the door eating a snack, and the Archduke's car was RIGHT THERE.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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A chance-meeting, as we say in middle-earth

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

IIRC, Gavrilo Princip was in a sandwich shop after the assassination attempt failed and the Black Hand assumed Ferdinand got away. He had no idea the motorcade took a detour down his street, so he was literally walking out the door eating a snack, and the Archduke's car was RIGHT THERE.

Original pulp fiction scene

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Dapper_Swindler posted:

honestly i never knew that until this evening. i always read he got captured and when they wern't looking he crushed the tablet and died.

Here's how it went down. Himmler had shaved his mustache, put on an eyepatch, and was trying to hide among regular German POWs under the assumed name of Heinrich Hitzinger. Though he'd also lost a bunch of weight since fleeing the führerbunker, he looked enough like himself for the British troops that captured him to be suspicious, so he was taken for a medical examine. During it, sensing he'd been made, he attempted to bite down on a false tooth containing the cyanide, but was only partially successful as one of the doctors saw him make the move and tried to grab his jaw to stop it, dropping both to the floor. Himmler thrashed about, desperately trying to break the capsule all the way open while the doctor and another tried to ram their fingers down his throat to get him to expel that which he'd already swallowed. They succeeded in making him puke a bunch, but he'd already absorbed enough poison to kill himself, albeit not enough to turn the lights off immediately and he died writhing in agony as the cyanide did its work slower than expected.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

IIRC, Gavrilo Princip was in a sandwich shop after the assassination attempt failed and the Black Hand assumed Ferdinand got away. He had no idea the motorcade took a detour down his street, so he was literally walking out the door eating a snack, and the Archduke's car was RIGHT THERE.

It wasn't so much that they'd taken a detour as Ferdindand's driver made a wrong turn since they were going to visit the casualties from the earlier bomb attack and got lost since it wasn't the original route, and in trying to turn around reversed the car right in from of Princep and then stopped momentarily as he put it back into gear.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

chitoryu12 posted:

What about that one attempted assassin of Archduke Franz Ferdinand who completely failed to kill him?

If I remember correctly, the Archduke just threw the grenade back out of his car and went on with his life (for like, another hour). The assassin swallowed cyanide and tried to simultaneously drown himself in a river, but the cyanide was expired and the river was dried up so he just kinda flopped around vomiting in a muddy ditch while the crowd beat him up.

Legit amazing

There is an important difference between appreciating a farce like that and being like "it is extremely good that these people were tortured horribly for their crimes"

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Basically post more absurd deaths so I can write lmao and go on with my day instead of making exasperated posts about how torture is bad

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Crane Fist posted:

Basically post more absurd deaths so I can write lmao and go on with my day instead of making exasperated posts about how torture is bac

I've always been partial to the (probably apocryphal) death scene of Peter the Great. As the great Tzar of all Russias lay dying from the pnemonia he'd picked up trying to rescue downing sailors, his advisors and family urged him to name a successor since there was no clear heir. Mustering the last of his strength, knowing that Russia could not survive another Time of Troubles, he grasped the pen and with shaky hand, pausing between words as he fought to get it out, wrote, "leave everything to" and then died.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Stalin's death is also inherently funny regardless of your sympathies. Dying of a stroke because you trained your bodyguard to never come into your office under any circumstances is funny.

Also because you arrested all the doctors, and made your inner circle so reliant on direct commands that they were virtually unable to function without you

Stalin's self own was the most complete

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Captain_Maclaine posted:

It wasn't so much that they'd taken a detour as Ferdindand's driver made a wrong turn since they were going to visit the casualties from the earlier bomb attack and got lost since it wasn't the original route, and in trying to turn around reversed the car right in from of Princep and then stopped momentarily as he put it back into gear.

When a man's driving it's a "detour." Am I right, fellas?

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Party Boat posted:

Also because you arrested all the doctors, and made your inner circle so reliant on direct commands that they were virtually unable to function without you

Stalin's self own was the most complete

Supposedly, and this too is likely just one of those stories, when somebody finally did muster up the courage to peek in his apartment and saw him laying on the floor, those huddled around outside were whispering urgently about what they were going to do, until Khrushchev supposedly said, "well we all know how Comrade Stalin likes his naps," as a plausible reason to just leave him to die.

Gringostar
Nov 12, 2016
Morbid Hound

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Supposedly, and this too is likely just one of those stories, when somebody finally did muster up the courage to peek in his apartment and saw him laying on the floor, those huddled around outside were whispering urgently about what they were going to do, until Khrushchev supposedly said, "well we all know how Comrade Stalin likes his naps," as a plausible reason to just leave him to die.

everything i know about Khrushchev leads me to believe that he owned

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Gringostar posted:

everything i know about Khrushchev leads me to believe that he owned

Khruschev is - complex. But when he owned, he owned hard.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


lol double owned

https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/925893651028480000

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


Stalin died about ten years too late for Russia to ever really achieve socialism but I can give him props for winning the great patriotic war

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Khruschev is - complex. But when he owned, he owned hard.

Just to put this in context, Kruschev was born and raised a classic feudalist middle-age style peasant, the fact that he got as far as he did means that he's a real character for better or worse, this is a guy forged in the fires of life.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Al-Saqr posted:

Just to put this in context, Kruschev was born and raised a classic feudalist middle-age style peasant, the fact that he got as far as he did means that he's a real character for better or worse, this is a guy forged in the fires of life.

It's funny how innocuous giving Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR must have seemed at the time.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



zegermans posted:

is this something that's under-taught or am I unique in my ignorance on the topic? Or more of an intentional thing to rehabilitate Nazis like the clean wehrmacht and noble rommel mythos

i know this was pages ago bu its not just europe. take any 10 people from any country you like, 3 of those will happily go fash right now if it were possible, 3 of them wouldnt and would be the first to be purged. the remainder will go with whatever the prevailing political climate is.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

you trained your bodyguard to never come into your office under any circumstances

this seems counterproductive

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yinlock posted:

this seems counterproductive

If you've got a better idea for jacking off in your office in peace, I'd like to hear it.

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

here's hoping dubya's death will have some suitably hilarious slant

we almost got one a little ways into term 1 with the pretzel but he wasn't quite on himmler or tzar level by that point

Slow-Scan Shep has issued a correction as of 03:40 on Nov 2, 2017

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Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

chitoryu12 posted:

What about that one attempted assassin of Archduke Franz Ferdinand who completely failed to kill him?

If I remember correctly, the Archduke just threw the grenade back out of his car and went on with his life (for like, another hour). The assassin swallowed cyanide and tried to simultaneously drown himself in a river, but the cyanide was expired and the river was dried up so he just kinda flopped around vomiting in a muddy ditch while the crowd beat him up.

That's some dwarf fortress poo poo.

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