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CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
It would be nice if building a cheap cabin didn't cost $10k in permits in El Paso county. Land is reasonable and dropping a well/septic is pretty reasonable, same for tying into power/phone.

The next county west is like, $600 to build anything you drat well want.

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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:

can you repeat this, but english

A small but significant percentage of the capital inflating the West Coast real estate bubbles comes from drug money being laundered and used to buy investment properties. This established laundering system also allows people in mainland China who are looking to move their money offshore, where the Chinese central bank is less able to gently caress with it, to do so without making the appropriate declarations on either end. If the drug money dries up because all the users die, the laundering operations will be unable to maintain solely by washing Chinese money, and will close up shop. This failure of laundering services will have a domino effect on the rest of the West Coast shadow economy, leading to the collapse of housing markets in Central valley towns like Modesto and Turlock, because there is no reason to buy a house in Modesto or Turlock unless you're doing something shady.

I'll believe it. There has been an explosion in "board and care" homes around here. These are assisted living facilities below the standard of care provided by a skilled nursing facility or memory care facility. The staffing requirements for these types of homes is extremely minimal, no nurses, as the residents are unable to live independently but are theoretically lacking the sort of medical needs that require skilled nursing. Every time I show up at one of these places, it is an extremely nice home in an upscale area, with a staff of immigrant workers, warehousing people unable to live independently for Medicaid. The best guess I have is that these are a way for foreign, criminal or otherwise remote buyers who acquired the house as an investment property to try to make money off of it until they sell.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

BigDave posted:

Wait what? The fashion district is laundering Chinese drug money through Armenian biker gangs?

California is a massive state in practically every sense of the word. The biker gangs are not Armenian, AP tends to prefer freight trucks as their "thing" outside being otherwise highly similar to the Russian Mafia.

20-30 years ago, it was Yakuza money developing Pebble Beach. Now it's klepto/triad/GT money developing practically the whole west coast. And not just luxury condos - industrial warehouse development, walk-in commercial devlopment, rental SFRs, and renovated uday-and-qusay style multi-million dollar mansions.

It comes in through the EB-5 program, it comes in through "tuition" wires totaling millions of dollars to attend UC San Bernardino for 2 years, it comes in through "family loans" for all sorts of tiny businesses that aren't otherwise operating illegally, and it comes in through all sorts of really questionable consulting businesses that are designed to have Chinese patsies use their SAFE quota to wire USD $50k at a time to some long lost family member in Irvine so they can buy a bunch of property while claiming they are the newly-transferred manager for a logistics warehousing company that claims to export grain waste products but maintains a warehouse with zero humidity mitigation.

China is a big country, California is a big state, there's really nothing inherent to the populations. India is starting to have stuff come in too, but Japan started cracking down from their side a while back and it's tapered off. It's a big connected web of organized crime living together like a seedy rainforest. The guys leasing the space in City of Industry might help shuffle money for Armenians by making up some amount of trucking activity for their fake grain waste stuff. Armenians need to be able to monetize the credit fraud they specialize in, so they use their fake transportation companies with dubiously licensed truckers to move high-ticket goods around for resale.

Take a look at Minneapolis for what this looks like at an early stage.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
You have a cool job

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Dead Reckoning posted:

I'll believe it. There has been an explosion in "board and care" homes around here. These are assisted living facilities below the standard of care provided by a skilled nursing facility or memory care facility. The staffing requirements for these types of homes is extremely minimal, no nurses, as the residents are unable to live independently but are theoretically lacking the sort of medical needs that require skilled nursing. Every time I show up at one of these places, it is an extremely nice home in an upscale area, with a staff of immigrant workers, warehousing people unable to live independently for Medicaid. The best guess I have is that these are a way for foreign, criminal or otherwise remote buyers who acquired the house as an investment property to try to make money off of it until they sell.

Lots of -yan and -ian names in those home health care operations I bet.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

FAUXTON posted:

Take a look at Minneapolis for what this looks like at an early stage.

*eyes glaze over at everything else*

So you’re saying I should buy a house to flip to totally legitimate business people?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

The Sikhs in the central valley are notably clean as gently caress with the exception of individuals trying to scam aspiring licensees.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Oh hey, I remember that I perjured myself now!

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/926152966712758272

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


A Chinese immigrant working at a Starbucks bought my starter home in the Bay Area for 700k with help from family back home.

Uh huh.

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002

hobbesmaster posted:

*eyes glaze over at everything else*

So you’re saying I should buy a house to flip to totally legitimate business people?

I think he is saying to buy a house in Minneapolis to become a wealthy Chinese business Armenian.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

FAUXTON posted:

Lots of -yan and -ian names in those home health care operations I bet.
Yarp.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

hobbesmaster posted:

*eyes glaze over at everything else*

So you’re saying I should buy a house to flip to totally legitimate business people?

No because the early stage is year over year over year billion-dollar annual totals for new commercial development. Once that gets tapped out you'll see the houses start to do fucky things like one no-name escrow company managing to have scooped all the listings for a given area, getting bids in wirth check in hand before any realtor can refresh their listing pages.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

There's a reason that the sale of new homes in BC and Ontario suddenly dropped off markedly as soon as the provincial governments instituted a "Foreign Buyer's tax" on each home purchase.

Watch what happens when an empty home tax gets raised.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene


They're a blend of Medicare/aid fraud, bust-outs in the making, and channels to purchase medical equipment/supplies for resale using business credit.

Banks tend to catch onto these mid-way into their bustout cycle and then suddenly 40 Armenian dudes show up at the next bank down the street in Glendale all wanting to open home healthcare businesses using sequentially numbered cashier checks from the chase branch 2 blocks away.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

FAUXTON posted:

No because the early stage is year over year over year billion-dollar annual totals for new commercial development. Once that gets tapped out you'll see the houses start to do fucky things like one no-name escrow company managing to have scooped all the listings for a given area, getting bids in wirth check in hand before any realtor can refresh their listing pages.

But if that’s the early stage that Minneapolis is in then doesn’t that mean that housing prices will spike when the next phase starts? Homes are still dirt cheap in Saint Paul for example.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

hobbesmaster posted:

But if that’s the early stage that Minneapolis is in then doesn’t that mean that housing prices will spike when the next phase starts? Homes are still dirt cheap in Saint Paul for example.

Yep, but if there's still a decade worth of commercial growth in the CBD then you're not exactly flipping, you're holding for 10-12 years and then selling to a nice young family who is sending their student and his three BMWs to UM.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

FAUXTON posted:

They're a blend of Medicare/aid fraud, bust-outs in the making, and channels to purchase medical equipment/supplies for resale using business credit.

Banks tend to catch onto these mid-way into their bustout cycle and then suddenly 40 Armenian dudes show up at the next bank down the street in Glendale all wanting to open home healthcare businesses using sequentially numbered cashier checks from the chase branch 2 blocks away.
Yeah, I guessed that part. I'm surprised medical equipment resale is that profitable, but I suppose I shouldn't be.

How do I get your job? Because doing fraud investigations sounds great.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

FAUXTON posted:

Yep, but if there's still a decade worth of commercial growth in the CBD then you're not exactly flipping, you're holding for 10-12 years and then selling to a nice young family who is sending their student and his three BMWs to UM.

Three BMWs? drat, my dad’s grad student that bought a new Shelby mustang was low rent.

That grad student is now doing 7 years in federal prison on child pornography charges

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.
I know the, "Bernie would have won," debate is stupid to continue to litigate, but Donna Brazile posted a pretty eye opening "gently caress Hillary" piece on Politico today.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

ManMythLegend posted:

I know the, "Bernie would have won," debate is stupid to continue to litigate, but Donna Brazile posted a pretty eye opening "gently caress Hillary" piece on Politico today.

yeah I saw that. Donna Brazile is awful though so you can bet this is going to be as slanted towards the "gently caress hillary" side as possible.

Honestly though? All I'm really seeing here was that Hillary's campaign was funding the DNC since 2015. Hillary's fundraisers, Hillary's events, Hillary's everything was what let the DNC function and in exchange for that her campaign had operational control of DNC dollars. Not illegal in the slightest. At most it was against internal DNC custom.

Hell! Brazile even admits that despite exhaustive searches she found no evidence of the DNC rigging the system in Hillary's favour. So even with operational control of DNC dollars, that money wasn't misused.

If anything, this seems a testament to the campaign's ethics, which is a sentence I never thought I'd write because lol @ Clinton + ethics.

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Nov 2, 2017

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



ManMythLegend posted:

I know the, "Bernie would have won," debate is stupid to continue to litigate, but Donna Brazile posted a pretty eye opening "gently caress Hillary" piece on Politico today.

What a loving mess of a political party

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums

Dead Reckoning posted:

Yeah, I guessed that part. I'm surprised medical equipment resale is that profitable, but I suppose I shouldn't be.

How do I get your job? Because doing fraud investigations sounds great.

Is this a thing where you purchase X on credit, resell it for whatever you can to convert it into cash, but it doesn't matter because it's 100% profit if you never pay your bills.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
And on Politico, one of the Mercer brothers stepped down from his organization and sold his share of Breitbart. He cited not agreeing with Brannon’s politics as the reason. So take that however you want.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


cowboy elvis posted:

And on Politico, one of the Mercer brothers stepped down from his organization and sold his share of Breitbart. He cited not agreeing with Brannon’s politics as the reason. So take that however you want.
Maybe he's getting investigated.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

A new poll shows a sizeable majority of Americans think the special investigation is being handled well and also that Manafort and Gates should burn. Sizeable numbers also think Papadopoulos indicates other poo poo was happening.

The numbers cut somewhat among partisan lines, but a lot of independents and a sizeable number of Republicans also think Trump is full of poo poo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.141069ee6b9d

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009

cowboy elvis posted:

You have a cool job

He gets to uncover all the cool poo poo, I just cover it all up on the other end. AML/BSA work does expose some fascinating methods though, just wait until you see the poo poo legitimate companies go through.

FAUXTON posted:

Yep, but if there's still a decade worth of commercial growth in the CBD then you're not exactly flipping, you're holding for 10-12 years and then selling to a nice young family who is sending their student and his three BMWs to UM.

Then you complain about all the 19 year olds driving their M6's on the wrong side of the road and get called a racist.

There's an exciting trend of these families picking smaller, redder states for Jin Jr. to go major in accounting, lots of smaller county sheriffs out in Montana, SDakota, etc suddenly racking up violations on some exotic imports and researching how to issue citations to foreign nationals.

Immanentized fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Nov 2, 2017

Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

ManMythLegend posted:

I know the, "Bernie would have won," debate is stupid to continue to litigate, but Donna Brazile posted a pretty eye opening "gently caress Hillary" piece on Politico today.

I'll wait for the summary. The melodramatic "I gasped" retelling of a loving phone call is what did it for me. Don't Politico and Hachette employ editors?

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler
Which one of you fine Omahans wants to take me on as your protege? I have a degree in botany but I'm sure we can make it work somehow.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Dead Reckoning posted:

Yeah, I guessed that part. I'm surprised medical equipment resale is that profitable, but I suppose I shouldn't be.

How do I get your job? Because doing fraud investigations sounds great.

No poo poo, the DoD needs auditors bad. Lists is as top needed occupation on USAJOBS

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

comeys new book cover

Tryzzub
Jan 1, 2007

Mudslide Experiment
missed opportunity for ‘james and the giant impeach’

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/RoseAnnDeMoro/status/926113763538780160

bird cooch
Jan 19, 2007

Soulex posted:

No poo poo, the DoD needs auditors bad. Lists is as top needed occupation on USAJOBS

So, like a CPA plus auditor experience?

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Tryzzub posted:

missed opportunity for ‘james and the giant impeach’

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.


gone

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Sessions now recalls Papadouchaous talking about his Russian contacts.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Immanentized posted:

He gets to uncover all the cool poo poo, I just cover it all up on the other end. AML/BSA work does expose some fascinating methods though, just wait until you see the poo poo legitimate companies go through.


Then you complain about all the 19 year olds driving their M6's on the wrong side of the road and get called a racist.

There's an exciting trend of these families picking smaller, redder states for Jin Jr. to go major in accounting, lots of smaller county sheriffs out in Montana, SDakota, etc suddenly racking up violations on some exotic imports and researching how to issue citations to foreign nationals.

Yeah well now we gotta brace for an influx of Californians taking up all the garage parking.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Casimir Radon posted:

Sessions now recalls Papadouchaous talking about his Russian contacts.

Jefferson Dotard Sessions

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.

at the date posted:

I'll wait for the summary. The melodramatic "I gasped" retelling of a loving phone call is what did it for me. Don't Politico and Hachette employ editors?

The summary is that Obama left the party millions of dollars in debt and the party literally signed over full control of all funds as well as all party messaging to Hillary Clinton and her two campaign entities after they were formed in 2015. The Clinton organisations then raided state party coffers to pay off national party debts which left massive holes in funding for state level races.

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shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

If we destroy the world and make it uninhabitable then humans won’t be able to sexually assault each other.

Can we hurry the gently caress up I'm too old and have too many bad habits to wait around on the sea swallowing everyone

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