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Another year, another Sonic Cafe I have to go to. The Sonic Forces inspired menu is kinda lackluster compared to the 25th anniversary cafe IMO. Let's check out the menu: Food Sonic's Blue Boost Curry - It's sky blue curry with a gold onion rIng for garnish. have no idea if the blue is just food coloring or if it tastes any different and I never will. Tails's Kitsune Udon - Because he's a fox. Clever. I might try this one, though I wonder how good udon from a sweets buffet cafe would be. Eggman Empire's Scotch Egg - The usual Eggman egg dish. Never heard of a scotch egg before, but according to google it's a hard boiled egg wrapped in sausage meat and crumbs and fried? Sure, why not? The hard boiled egg has the Eggman Empire symbol from Forces on it. Avatar's Customize Pancakes - Pancakes that you can "customize" just like the avatar with fruit, whipped cream, chocolate, sprinkles, and/or what I'm assuming is maple syrup. If they're anything like the Sonic Mania pancakes I had last year they're minuscule. Looks good though! Infinite's Apricot Pudding - wait what Drinks: Classic Sonic's Sonic Speed Soda - Not sure what flavor soda it is, but it looks like it has balls of some sort at the bottom. Maybe it's boba? Candy? Knuckles's Captain Drink - Looks like something with grenadine or cherry liqueur in it. There's candy of some sort at the bottom. They look like tiny gum balls to me but that's unlikely. Shadow's Ultimate Drink - A coke float with cherries on top. Chaos's Jelly Cider - My boy Chaos gets a better showing here than in the game. It's most likely cider (not apple cider, but rather the Japanese soda flavor. Think ramune) with blue stuff (jelly?). Avatar's Pink Customize Drink - Strawberry milk and ice cream with sprinkles to "customize" it. Guaranteed to be more enjoyable than the avatar's gameplay. Avatar's Green Customize Drink - Some kind of green soda (I'm betting a million dollars it's melon because Japan) with yellow pop rocks you can add to it. Sounds a bit like the Tails drink I had last year, except that was pineapple soda and served in a lab beaker and thus a billion ines cooler.
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^^^^ Avatars getting their own food is weird to me, cause there shouldn't really be a "theme" for a customizable character, but letting people customize it is a nice touchmycot posted:When Windwaker got a 40/40. No that score is actually correct. The FF13-2 and SS scores though, lol
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Nov 2, 2017 12:34
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What’s wrong with Nintendogs? It’s perfectly fine for what it is.
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Nov 2, 2017 12:38
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Nintendogs is good and wholesome and scotch eggs are amazing
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Nov 2, 2017 12:53
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Scotch eggs are great, but a freshly made one should have a soft boiled egg for a truly flavoursome and gooey experience, and the whole thing coated in meat and breadcrumbs then deep fried to order, not premade. Regular premade scotch eggs are a common snack in the UK, but fresh made ones are in a class of their own.
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Nov 2, 2017 12:54
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Ventana posted:^^^^ Avatars getting their own food is weird to me, cause there shouldn't really be a "theme" for a customizable character, but letting people customize it is a nice touch Why does everyone hate Skyward Sword that game was loving rad.
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Nov 2, 2017 16:35
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So I hear the switch already has a perfectly good game where you roll into a ball, collect rings, and earning speed is a reward for clever platforming It's called Mario Odyssey
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Nov 2, 2017 16:42
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Why does everyone hate Skyward Sword that game was loving rad. It's one of those games that I enjoy watching playthroughs for, but my own play experience of it was annoying as poo poo becaue my brain just couldn't grock onto the motion controls.
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Nov 2, 2017 16:45
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Why does everyone hate Skyward Sword that game was loving rad. 40/40 is supposed to mean perfect. Is skyward sword a perfect game? loving no
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Nov 2, 2017 16:58
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corn in the bible posted:40/40 is supposed to mean perfect. Is skyward sword a perfect game? loving no Famitsu does not use 40/40 as perfect. It means all four reviewers who reviewed the game gave it the highest score the magazine offers. That's it. There is absolutely nothing in anything Famitsu which suggests they use 10 to mean "a flawless game" and the actual reviews don't back that up. 39/40 for example means 3 reviewers gave it a 10 and one gave it a 9. That does not mean those three reviewers called it perfect and nobody takes 39/40 as '3/4th perfect!' It's just a weird thing where people know it's a Japanese magazine and misunderstand its review system.
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Nov 2, 2017 17:04
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Why does everyone hate Skyward Sword that game was loving rad. It was literally an unfinished game
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Not a Children posted:It was literally an unfinished game Really, how?
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Why does everyone hate Skyward Sword that game was loving rad. I'm probably one of the biggest Skyward Sword apologist/defenders in SA's population, and even I can acknowledge that it had flaws enough that it shouldn't be getting consistent 10s. It's great but I wouldn't be giving it a 10. The Faron Woods note collectathon segment alone should bring it down a point.
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Nov 2, 2017 17:21
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Not a Children posted:It was literally an unfinished game Whether or not this is true I don't think this is the primary beef people have with Skyward Sword
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Nov 2, 2017 17:25
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Not a Children posted:It was literally an unfinished game Wind Waker is the one that was clearly unfinished. I still like it more than Skyward Sword though but that’s not a bad game either.
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Augus posted:I like this song from Lost World It's good I personally like Dragon Dance the second act of that stage better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LjCflnDok
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https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/926121932625293313 Okay, that got me good.
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ImpAtom posted:Famitsu does not use 40/40 as perfect. It means all four reviewers who reviewed the game gave it the highest score the magazine offers. That's it. There is absolutely nothing in anything Famitsu which suggests they use 10 to mean "a flawless game" and the actual reviews don't back that up. Yes, it means all of them gave it a perfect score
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corn in the bible posted:Yes, it means all of them gave it a perfect score There is a difference between "highest score" and "literal perfection." The complete inability of people to understand this is kind of bewildering and pretty much exclusive to video game players for some reason.
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I think you can still make the argument that doling out the "highest possible score available" to SS is silly. I don't think it really matters if 40/40 (or 4 straight 10s) is "perfect game" or "we can't recommend this game higher in our eyes", SS has a lot of lacking parts
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I mean, critiquing a reviewer's subjective opinion of a game is already kind of silly but we're in this death spiral of an argument anyways so we might as well ride it out
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Nov 2, 2017 19:17
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Zelder posted:I mean, critiquing a reviewer's subjective opinion of a game is already kind of silly but we're in this death spiral of an argument anyways so we might as well ride it out I mean I'm not defending Famitsu here in particular but "this game has a flaw, ergo it doesn't deserve the highest score' is a nonsense argument. Nobody who reviews movies, books, music, electronics or anything else uses the highest score hand-in-hand with genuine perfection or even a claim of no flaws. Otherwise it would be impossible for a highest score to exist. It's used as a boring gotcha argument by video game fans who want a way to write off positivity of any sort without actually having to construction an argument against the points being made by the writer. Going "They gave it a 40/40, gently caress them" is meaningless without actually reading what was written about the game. (Which, since it's Famtisu, is probably cheap fluffy trash but that's neither here nor there.) The same goes for negativity too where you see the opposite crowd freaking out about a 9/10 because 'the flaw wasn't that serious!!" though that one at least exists outside of video game realms more commonly because fanboys gonna fanboy.
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Nov 2, 2017 19:36
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What gets me is how game reviewers and consumers alike don't seem to understand the concept of averages. This game was below average and just a complete waste of time and energy. 6/10. That's still an above average score you goob. This is why I generally don't give a gently caress about game reviews because they are meaningless most of the time.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:What gets me is how game reviewers and consumers alike don't seem to understand the concept of averages. They absolutely do understand averages. They are not using that specific rating system. For good or ill video games have pretty firmly tied themselves to the "grade school" grading system, likely because early game reviews used A/B/C/D/F or 5-1 (which is basically the same) scoring systems. It's also basically impossible to move away from because review aggregators like Metacritic (which are absurdly important to views and hits) canonized that system so even if you want to use 1-10 fully, a 5 in your system will count as an extremely bad score and not an average score.
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It's valid to critique people who don't know the ins and outs of a review system and make judgments about said reviews not knowing the standards, that's ignorance and isn't a big deal since that (usually) can be remedied. On the other hand, calling it a "nonsense argument" is pretty unfair when the system generally A. Doesn't give readers much room to understand every different reviewing scale, B. intentionally mimics a socially/academically established scale of accuracy where - in fact - a 10 out of 10 (usually) means no mistakes were made, and C. lumps all said genericized rating scales together to aggregate scores and weigh them (this is mostly a specific problem to metacritic/gamerankings than reviewers themselves tbf). It's entirely reasonable for people quickly take in this information when it's loosely presented in this format, and not take in what the reviews actually say or mean or value, but rather to translate those numbers into their own personal values. It's incorrect and one of the several problems with the modern video game review systems we have now, but in a world that streamlines information everywhere, it does make a little sense how this comes about. It's more laziness than nonsense. It's fair to disagree with a reviewer, even if you have different standards from them, because it's supposed to invite conversation and personal values. Otherwise the process would be entirely pointless and is basically what my favorite piece on game reviews talks about. I can admit there is laziness on my own part for not looking up their reviews (finding a translation isn't easy), but again I wouldn't call that laziness "nonsense". My own values of what a 10/10 game is different from Famitsu's, so I don't think it's that weird for me to call out that I disagree with their notion even when provided little information (given I already knew some of their other write-ups in games). VVVVVV This guy gets it Ventana fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Nov 2, 2017 21:01
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Everyone knows that Windwaker is 41/40 anyways.
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Ventana posted:It's entirely reasonable for people quickly take in this information when it's loosely presented in this format, and not take in what the reviews actually say or mean or value, but rather to translate those numbers into their own personal values. No it isn't. It is in fact not reasonable at all. "They said this game was perfect and had not flaws!" "No they didn't." "Well, I made a snap judgement that they said that and I'm going to pretend they did." If you're too lazy to actually look at the argument someone is making, it's sort of weird to get angry at them about it. I'm comfortable calling that nonsense because it is. It isn't even disagreeing with a review, it's disagreeing with what you imagined the review said. And I've zero doubt Famitsu's reviews were mindlessly fawning trash because they pretty much always are, but it's tiresome as poo poo to see the same poo poo trotted out time and time again from people who are more interested in being angry than anything else. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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I'm curious, does anyone know where to find a link to the SS famitsu review? I'm not finding the actual text on Google
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ImpAtom posted:No it isn't. It is in fact not reasonable at all. I think you're mistakenly reading anger in my disagreements. Just because I'm saying I don't agree with Famitsu's scoring system, doesn't mean I'm being angry about it. You're also putting words in my mouth with the strawman conversation there. In that post you quoted, I didn't say at all Famitsu wasn't acknowledging flaws. I was implying that I value the flaws differently than they do. Which....is the point? Making inferences from little information is entirely human and natural. That is why I don't think it's unreasonable for people, nowadays, to make quick judgments. Otherwise I'd just get mad at every twitter opinion. This is partly addressed in that article as well; not everyone is inclined to think critically. People often are like this not just because it's scary to challenge one's own values, or because of inherit ability to think deeply, but also because it's slower. That's the part I was mostly addressing and saying wasn't nonsensical. It'd be nonsensical to, in the face of definitive contradictory evidence, ignore it and hold my view as correct. Which uh is not happening or what I'm trying to imply. What I should clarify in that post above is that it seems like my values are different from Famitsu's. And I can only inference that from their other scores and reading their previous write ups on other games which never sat well with me. I'm perfectly willing to update that once I get more specific information on their review but idk that doesn't seem so crazy to me? Not trying to be obstinate like you seem to imply  As for other people getting angry (if they are, idk), then yeah that'd be dumb. People shouldn't be angry at a score just because it means something differently to people. Zelder posted:I'm curious, does anyone know where to find a link to the SS famitsu review? I'm not finding the actual text on Google I found this on neogaf, but one poster replied that it might be skyrim so idk. All moonspeak to me  someone supposedly did a google translate, so of course I can't verify or claim good accuracy but here you go: quote:While there was a lot to worry about, the game is one of the finest RPGs. Even the music, story, and world are excellent on their own. It's so immersive. I loved acquiring all the different skills. The main story is not very long, but there are plenty of sub quests. Ventana fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Ventana posted:Making inferences from little information is entirely human and natural. That is why I don't think it's unreasonable for people, nowadays, to make quick judgments. Because people doing things that is 'entirely human and natural' doesn't make it healthy or good. Learning to control yourself and act like an adult is a good thing and you shouldn't be defending it because laziness. Especially in the modern age it should be drat unacceptable. That doesn't mean people won't do it (myself included) but it isn't something you should defend or excuse. It's how misinformation gets such a hold on things. And yeah, sometimes that poo poo genuinely isn't important, but sometimes it manages to be. Video game poo poo shouldn't be important but that doesn't mean that one out-of-context statement or false rumor doesn't bring the slavering hordes of rampaging anger down on someone. When people get death threats or harrassment because they gave a game a 6/10 or a 10/10 or whatever, it's pretty hard to pretend this stuff doesn't have an actual impact even if it shouldn't. If you don't think it's unreasonable, that is on you. I think it's 100% unreasonable. The fact that I'm imperfect enough to make that mistake myself doesn't excuse it, it means I need to do better, not that it's totally okay to do. "It's slower" is no excuse, especially when the people who are doing it because it's 'faster' are just as likely to spend 5 times the energy and effort it would take to research this poo poo arguing with someone about the internet. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Ventana posted:I think you're mistakenly reading anger in my disagreements. Just because I'm saying I don't agree with Famitsu's scoring system, doesn't mean I'm being angry about it. aha those reviews are such obvious bollocks, kinda hope that's fake cause if that's famitsu's standard
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Oh, I think I get what your problem is. In the original quote you had problem with, I should've said "understandable" or something like that, not "reasonable". Reasonable is saying like it's fair and okay. I wasn't trying to say it's okay or ethical to be lazy. I even tried to say later on in that exact paragraph that it was wrong. I was just saying people had a reason for it that (which is a natural reason), not that that reason itself is okay. I was arguing against the "has no reason" definition of nonsensical, not the "has poor judgement" definition. I think we've been agreeing the whole time that lazy people suck and can sometimes be hurtful. Dabir posted:aha those reviews are such obvious bollocks, kinda hope that's fake cause if that's famitsu's standard I don't know about all of their reviews, but that's the sort of things I've read from other write ups so I wouldn't be surprised if they lacked detail.
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Dabir posted:aha those reviews are such obvious bollocks, kinda hope that's fake cause if that's famitsu's standard Famitsu are genuinely lovely reviewers and the only reason they have any positive reputation is the language barrier and mystique of being a 'foreign' publication.
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ImpAtom posted:Famitsu are genuinely lovely reviewers and the only reason they have any positive reputation is the language barrier and mystique of being a 'foreign' publication. I've heard that as a magazine it's actually not bad. The issues are pretty long and they have unique content like interviews with the developers etc.
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mycot posted:I've heard that as a magazine it's actually not bad. The issues are pretty long and they have unique content like interviews with the developers etc. The actual magazine is pretty good and actually has a lot of unique information and some really good articles. It is just as a review source that it sucks.
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New Sonic 3D Blast Director's Cut video out, kind of amazed he managed to do something that drastic with the rom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzGJkncqx04
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Oh lol, that quote was from Breath of the Wild, not Skyward Sword, my bad. Now it makes a lot more sense. Still nothing about the SS review but w/e btw they had a good cover for it too 
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Ventana posted:Oh lol, that quote was from Breath of the Wild, not Skyward Sword, my bad. Now it makes a lot more sense. Still nothing about the SS review but w/e I don't know Japanese but looks like Windwaker had 42/40 instead of 41. Controversial but what the hell I agree.
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accusations about reviews being paid for are thrown around a lot but Famitsu's reviews are genuinely very heavily influenced by advertisers.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzGJkncqx04 New update of Sonic 3D directors cut, added a time trial mode, a map screen level select, and changed how you get Chaos Emeralds, also if you get all the medals, emeralds, max out the score at 5 million and finish all the Time Trials, you get something else. The Time Trials are basically "There aren't flickies, just get to the goal."
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