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Condiv posted:if he joint fundraised with the DNC, that money would've gone into hillary's coffers and given her more of an advantage against him in the primary. hence the rigging part people are talking about democrazy Man, to think some people wonder why the DNC may have shown sympathy for Clinton, when Sanders and his supporters didn't do poo poo for them and actually trash them to distract from their own failures.
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Nevvy Z posted:What was the unfair advantage, other than not giving Bernie enough debates? She took Hillary Victory Fund money from down ballot, that doesn't sound like a primary's issue. she wasn't allowed access to those funds during the primary. again, read the article nevvy. it says that right in the article. read the article nevvy
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Nevvy Z posted:What was the unfair advantage, other than not giving Bernie enough debates? She took Hillary Victory Fund money from down ballot, that doesn't sound like a primary's issue. It wasn't her money at the time!! It was the primary winner money, and the winner of the primary hadn't been determined! (Officially)
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Democrazy posted:Man, to think some people wonder why the DNC may have shown sympathy for Clinton, when Sanders and his supporters didn't do poo poo for them and actually trash them to distract from their own failures.  sad democrazythat's a real sad counterargument
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Nov 3, 2017 03:41
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Nevvy Z posted:No. Obviously not. But saying "more debates" isn't really much of an argument. It is if the debates were hurting the candidate who had less popular positions, and that candidate controlled the organization responsible for scheduling the debates. Democrazy posted:You can't grow the leftist movement if you don't accept that more voters wanted Clinton to be president than Sanders. Did they? Maybe they did, and we should respect the will of the voters, hey you know what's a great way to determine the will of the voters: running an impartial election rather than letting one candidate control the process.
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Democrazy posted:Man, to think some people wonder why the DNC may have shown sympathy for Clinton, when Sanders and his supporters didn't do poo poo for them and actually trash them to distract from their own failures. Like I said earlier, completely disregarding how it affects Bernie, Hillary could have been running against a shoe and this would still be shady as gently caress. We shouldn’t be alright with this kind of unethical behavior.
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Nov 3, 2017 03:42
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Did she spend that money to improperly campaign against bernie? was it more money than she otherwise would have used? I'm still not seeing any evidence of real 'rigging' but I know dick all about finance.
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Brony Car posted:How much aid was DFA giving to him? Are they a big force? Not a loving clue. You'd have to ask Your Boy Fancy about that kind of thing and I don't know if the guy posting in D&D every day about turnout efforts and the importance of said turnout is too hot on talking about an organization withdrawing turnout support.
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Nevvy Z posted:Did she spend that money to improperly campaign against bernie? was it more money than she otherwise would have used? I'm still not seeing any evidence of real 'rigging' but I know dick all about finance. yes. read the article nevvy. do you not know how to read?
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Condiv posted:yes. read the article nevvy. do you not know how to read? Care to quote the part substantiating that? I read it a few times. Saying that over and over isn't helping.
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They were going to use my Academy's campus as morgue after 9-11. I walked out of a calc midterm, to watch the second tower come down from the water front. Some of y'all are young.
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Read the article nevvy is my new ringtone
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Office Pig posted:Not a loving clue. You'd have to ask Your Boy Fancy about that kind of thing and I don't know if the guy posting in D&D every day about turnout efforts and the importance of said turnout is too hot on talking about an organization withdrawing turnout support. They're still helping other candidates, so maybe it's still okay? Then again, how many people go out to the ballot specifically to vote for a Lieutenant Governor or an assemblyman?
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Nevvy Z posted:Care to quote the part substantiating that? I read it a few times. Saying that over and over isn't helping. quote:Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the 32 states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC. The money would be deposited in the states first, and transferred to the DNC shortly after that. Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn. seriously nevvy, it's not a long article
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theCalamity posted:Like I said earlier, completely disregarding how it affects Bernie, Hillary could have been running against a shoe and this would still be shady as gently caress. We shouldn’t be alright with this kind of unethical behavior. That's actually a fairly good point. We should make sure that funds are being used properly, that no debate questions are being leaked, and that campaigns shouldn't be stealing data from their opponents.
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Condiv posted:seriously nevvy, it's not a long article This doesn't prove that those funds were somehow used to rig the election against Bernie. She had access to funds, and it says she used them to keep the DNC afloat.
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Nevvy Z posted:This doesn't prove that those funds were somehow used to rig the election against Bernie. Holy loving poo poo, this post. Taking those funds before the winner was officially decided IS rigging, you dunderhead.
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Nevvy Z posted:This doesn't prove that those funds were somehow used to rig the election against Bernie. she used the money before she was allowed to use the money nevvy. this isn't hard, you're just playing dumb as always
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I am deeply concerned as to why Nevvy is calling Donna Brazile and Elizabeth Warren liars.
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Lightning Knight posted:Counter-arguments to the Brazile piece are surfacing. So this article claims that Bernie signed the exact same joint fundraising agreement as Hillary so it's a normal thing and not anything to worry about, and they were treated the exact same actually, but wait: Donna Brazile posted:When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America. Clearly the agreements were not the same; both campaigns couldn't have the right to make the "final decisions" on all staff could they  Was the DNC running all communications by the Bernie campaign too to make sure he approved of it, or just Hillary. Kind of weird that during a supposedly impartial election one candidate gets to control all the messaging being sent out to the rank-and-file, how impartial is that?
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Condiv posted:she used the money before she was allowed to use the money nevvy. this isn't hard, you're just playing dumb as always If people are going to make specific claims they should provide specific evidence.
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Nevvy Z posted:This doesn't prove that those funds were somehow used to rig the election against Bernie. And none of this Russia stuff proves that Russia helped Trump win right, for all we know he would have won anyway. Hey Trump got more votes in swing states, that proves there couldn't have been anything untoward going on, because he got more votes right?
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Nevvy Z posted:If people are going to make specific claims they should provide specific evidence. already have nevvy. and you shoved your fingers in your ears and said "i can't hear you!"
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Nevy dont forgot the DNC argued in court that as a private organization its their right to rig primaries even in direct contradiction of their own laws. And the judge said they were completely right and closed the case. With all the info that has come out Im willing to believe it was a fair primary only out of incompetence.
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Bernie isn't even a factor here, it's just another reminder of how the party collectively chose to preemptively settle on a candidate that had already run an unexpectedly losing campaign.
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Office Pig posted:Not a loving clue. You'd have to ask Your Boy Fancy about that kind of thing and I don't know if the guy posting in D&D every day about turnout efforts and the importance of said turnout is too hot on talking about an organization withdrawing turnout support. I’ve got a lot on my mind, yes
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There's a reason we have ethical standards for managing elections: because the lolbertarian idea that all men are perfectly rational actors who unerringly act in their own long-term enlightened self-interest is glaringly false. It is possible to sway elections by at least a certain amount by affecting things like turnout or name recognition or the public's knowledge of the issues, or the information the public receives from supposedly objective sources. If it weren't, and the vote totals were unquestionable proof of voter will as long as no one is directly stuffing ballot boxes or faking totals, then we wouldn't need any laws or rules at all about campaign finance, foreign interference, equal time, and all the rest of it.
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big tactical mistake for bernie to extract the same deal as hillary where he got veto power over all hiring decisions and press releases and then not follow up on it at all.
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gowb posted:Is Donna implicating herself in the corruption? im failing to see what she gets out of this aside from maybe a clean conscience She gets lots of free ad time for her new book.
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awesmoe posted:She gets lots of free ad time for her new book. Knew there had to be something
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I'm hoping we'll see Northam lose especially after his racist comments. With the Donna Brazile revelations, I'm pretty happy overall with the downward trajectory of the Democrat party. Further demoralization of the grassroots should lead to a mediocre 2018 for them and even better, another loss for the neolibs in 2020.
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Leaving aside the Sanders part of this, Clinton should be getting torn apart for the siphoning of money from downticket races, the Democrats are dying in Congress and choking their funds seems really stupid.
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gowb posted:Knew there had to be something she also gets to reposition herself as bernie-wing, where previously she was seen as in clinton's pocket (because of the debate question thing). Eg last month when perez came up with the list of new DNC-at-large members, her being on it was used as a way to show that perez was shilling for and reinstating the old guard, and Brazile personally got a bunch of poo poo for it. This allows her to sidestep that accusation.
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InnercityGriot posted:Leaving aside the Sanders part of this, Clinton should be getting torn apart for the siphoning of money from downticket races, the Democrats are dying in Congress and choking their funds seems really stupid. Yeah wtf. Even if she had won, how was she going to get any of her platform passed or a supreme court justice nominated with a Republican-controlled congress. It would have been two years of getting nothing done followed by another midterm wipeout and probably an even crazier fascist running in 2020 with an even more dispirited Dem electorate. Without the downticket, the only bills that would have reached her desk were regressive poo poo like cutting the safety net and raising taxes on the poor and more military spending on contractor profits oh wait now I understand.
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Don't you understand? Hillary knows how to work with people, especially Republicans. She went to a funeral one time and a BBQ. She would have had the Republicans eating out of her hands because she wasn't naive like Obama.
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shrike82 posted:I'm hoping we'll see Northam lose especially after his racist comments. With the Donna Brazile revelations, I'm pretty happy overall with the downward trajectory of the Democrat party. I understand the temptation to be vindictive but hoping real, actual people will come to harm is a lovely thing to do. I guarantee you leftism will not be in a better position in 2020 with one more Republican trifecta (because a Northam loss more or less guarantees that).
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Quorum posted:I understand the temptation to be vindictive but hoping real, actual people will come to harm is a lovely thing to do. I guarantee you leftism will not be in a better position in 2020 with one more Republican trifecta (because a Northam loss more or less guarantees that). shrike82 is a Trump voter, there is absolutely nothing to gain here.
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I read their platform and I might be a Justice Democrat, I find myself tending to support the DSA as well. I know the DSA isn't a party. Anyone have thoughts on this?
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