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Duckbox posted:The two dollar cigarette tax hike didn't make me quit smoking. Nicotine is incredibly addictive. Duh. It did make me and a lot of other poor smokers I know tangibly poorer though. Will kids be less likely to take up smoking if a pack of cigs costs $7 instead of $5? Maybe. But $7 is still pretty affordable and the tax doesn't really start punishing you until you're already addicted. Meanwhile in reality high cigarette taxes are basically 80 - 90 % of the reason why the us has close to, if not the lowest youth smoking rate anywhere in the world. Tough poo poo for you basically, get some willpower or something 
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Once every few months I gather some non-smoker friends and hightail it down to Mexico. They get cheap duty-free booze, I get each of them to carry a carton. Win-win, except for my organs.
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Nov 3, 2017 02:29
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Once every few months I gather some non-smoker friends and hightail it down to Mexico. They get cheap duty-free booze, I get each of them to carry a carton. Win-win, except for my organs. Make friends with somebody who is on the tribal roles and can buy tax free smokes on the reservation.
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Nov 3, 2017 02:49
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A challenger appears to Feinstein.
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Nov 3, 2017 02:51
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The Aardvark posted:A challenger appears to Feinstein. Has my vote. gently caress Feinstein.
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Nov 3, 2017 02:57
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The Aardvark posted:A challenger appears to Feinstein. You mean the another challenger, since Kevin de León already declared.
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Nov 3, 2017 03:02
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I just want to live close to my job in Anaheim or have some god drat good way to get there from the IE. I had to be home within an hour today and I spent nearly 20 dollars in express tolls vs the 7 or 8 dollars it would have taken me a few years ago. Just 3 years ago taking the main line on the 91 would be about 70 minutes without paying for the tolled express lanes. Today I can spend 20 dollars for the lanes (now that the lanes have been extended and the freeway widened) and it take an hour and 20 mins. This is because there is now a backed up line to get in the lanes (due to increased demand over the last 2 or so years) and there is an artificial choke point at the end of the toll section that affects the main lanes and express, the idea was that it would choke the main line, but it also had the affect of loving the express as well. Shits all hosed up. Express lanes are dumb.
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Nov 3, 2017 03:17
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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The Aardvark posted:A challenger appears to Feinstein. Fewer things are more embarrassing for the left than TYT.
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Nov 3, 2017 03:24
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The Aardvark posted:A challenger appears to Feinstein. Hopefully there can be some coalescence around a single candidate. The last thing we need is for four or five hopefuls to all spring up because they smell blood in the water and split the "gently caress DiFi" vote while she cruises into another term.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:I just want to live close to my job in Anaheim or have some god drat good way to get there from the IE. I had to be home within an hour today and I spent nearly 20 dollars in express tolls vs the 7 or 8 dollars it would have taken me a few years ago. Just 3 years ago taking the main line on the 91 would be about 70 minutes without paying for the tolled express lanes. Today I can spend 20 dollars for the lanes (now that the lanes have been extended and the freeway widened) and it take an hour and 20 mins. This is because there is now a backed up line to get in the lanes (due to increased demand over the last 2 or so years) and there is an artificial choke point at the end of the toll section that affects the main lanes and express, the idea was that it would choke the main line, but it also had the affect of loving the express as well. Shits all hosed up. Express lanes are dumb. The problem is IE.
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Nov 3, 2017 06:30
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Shbobdb posted:The problem is IE. The problem is OC and LA being unaffordable. I think you'll find the IE is quite good in fact.
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Nov 3, 2017 06:41
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CPColin posted:Meanwhile, here in SLO we're getting campaign ads for Santa Barbara's mayoral campaign and one of them refers to the "new housing regulations Sacramento is forcing on us." Because of course Santa Barbara is going to be all, "Not in my backyard, which is tiny and zoned R-3, but I refuse to do anything with besides water the poo poo out of an orange tree." I am really glad I do not watch live TV. I work in SLO and my supervisor is moving to Portland because it's more affordable and we work at one of the good companies in the area. SLO county a place with the cost of the California coast and the job prospects of Bakersfield.
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Nov 3, 2017 07:37
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FCKGW posted:The problem is OC and LA being unaffordable. Lol, git gud.
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HENRY of the thread, folks.
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The Aardvark posted:A challenger appears to Feinstein. She used TYT to announce this? lol
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Nov 3, 2017 16:16
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tsa posted:Meanwhile in reality high cigarette taxes are basically 80 - 90 % of the reason why the us has close to, if not the lowest youth smoking rate anywhere in the world. If you want to take this tack, then nut up and ban cigarettes, rather than going for, "it's OK to smoke if you're rich, but the poor lack reason and self control, and must be spurred into Proper Choices."
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Nov 3, 2017 20:17
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Vice taxes that invest the money into addiction management and public education are good. Scaling the taxes proportionally to how big a public health and ecological plague vices are is also good. Abstinence-only education is bad.
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Nov 3, 2017 20:29
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Dead Reckoning posted:If you want to take this tack, then nut up and ban cigarettes, rather than going for, "it's OK to smoke if you're rich, but the poor lack reason and self control, and must be spurred into Proper Choices." I'd love to ban cigarettes but that'll never happen. For the time being, if the rich want to kill themselves while funding parks, education, and social programs... well that sounds awesome to me.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:13
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I'd love to ban cigarettes but that'll never happen. For the time being, if the rich want to kill themselves while funding parks, education, and social programs... well that sounds awesome to me.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:23
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I'd love to ban cigarettes but that'll never happen. For the time being, if the rich want to kill themselves while funding parks, education, and social programs... well that sounds awesome to me.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:28
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I'd love to ban cigarettes but that'll never happen. For the time being, if the rich want to kill themselves while funding parks, education, and social programs... well that sounds awesome to me. Banning cigarrettes won't work. Like, they are addictive. This is not hard.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:29
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Jaxyon posted:Banning cigarrettes won't work. It would absolutely work in conjunction with educational and medical programs designed to help people stop killing themselves with addictive drugs but lol America.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:40
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Make it so you can only smoke on native american reservations
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Nov 3, 2017 21:42
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FCKGW posted:Make it so you can only smoke on native american reservations I live in North County SD on the edge of several reservations and we went to one of the casinos recently for dinner and a show and holy poo poo I forgot what it was like when people were allowed to smoke in public. Nothing quite like walking through a huge building that reeks of stale smoke and is filled with people really enjoying the ability to smoke indoors in public.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:46
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Dead Reckoning posted:You've rather missed the point that sin taxes disproportionately affect the poor while being meaningless to the rich, and that you shouldn't consider loving the poor to be an acceptable consolation prize for being unable to enact your preferred policy. I think it's more the point that smokers cause the gov to spend a lot more money than what they spend on cigarettes so it's not a bad idea for them to actually pay for some of the things that we all will have to cover eventually for them. Want to smoke? Great, but you can pay the actual costs.
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Dead Reckoning posted:You've rather missed the point that sin taxes disproportionately affect the poor while being meaningless to the rich, and that you shouldn't consider loving the poor to be an acceptable consolation prize for being unable to enact your preferred policy. Progressive sin taxes when
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There are a lot of maladaptive coping strategies people develop in response to the material and psychosocial conditions of poverty. Pigovian taxes contribute to the moral good of society by discouraging these maladaptive behaviors.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:50
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tsa posted:Meanwhile in reality high cigarette taxes are basically 80 - 90 % of the reason why the us has close to, if not the lowest youth smoking rate anywhere in the world. I may be a loathsome no will power smoker, but at least I'm not the rear end in a top hat who makes up statistics.
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Nov 4, 2017 00:06
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Tax every single thing but make all taxes progressive.
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Nov 4, 2017 00:17
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Tax every single thing but make all taxes progressive. I'm going to need to know your yearly income so I can determine your posting tax.
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Nov 4, 2017 00:32
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I'm going to need to know your yearly income so I can determine your posting tax. Unemployed and unemployable. Tax away!
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Nov 4, 2017 00:38
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It's relative to the value of the post, sooooo
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Unemployed and unemployable. Tax away! Ah, you're on the Posting Subsidy. Makes sense
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Nov 4, 2017 00:55
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posting on my obamaphone irl
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Tuxedo Gin posted:I live in North County SD on the edge of several reservations and we went to one of the casinos recently for dinner and a show and holy poo poo I forgot what it was like when people were allowed to smoke in public. Nothing quite like walking through a huge building that reeks of stale smoke and is filled with people really enjoying the ability to smoke indoors in public. Yeah I remember being in restaurants that allowed smoking when I was a kid and feeling sick every time. gently caress that. Smoke in your house and leave everyone else alone. Unless you have kids in which case quit or gently caress you.
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Nov 4, 2017 10:24
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Yes ban cigarettes so more poor people are thrown in prison for bullshit reasons. 
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Nov 4, 2017 20:39
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Yes ban cigarettes so more poor people are thrown in prison for bullshit reasons. I mean, it doesn't have to have a criminal penalty. I do imagine it would go over as well as the Prohibition, though.
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Nov 4, 2017 20:46
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Nicotine is not trivial to grow and cure. I'm fine with a small scale boutique tabacco industry that would result from decriminalized tabacco.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I mean, it doesn't have to have a criminal penalty. Yeah these questions always get into thorny freedom vs. social good questions if you push them too hard and there will always be that rebellious contingent that shouts "gently caress society, I do what I want." Criminalizing smoking would mean there were suddenly a shitload more criminals and policies that marginalize "law abiding" types almost always backfire horribly. The anti smoking types have largely sidestepped the civil liberties question by making this about public health/welfare (which is why there's so much emphasis on second hand smoke). It's the old argument that your freedom to swing your fists stops at the viscinity of my face. I don't think people should smoke in restaurants, hospitals, schools, or airplanes, or even in their own home if it will hurt other people, but outdoor spaces are different and the evidence that people are harmed by someone smoking across the street just isn't there. I see the anti-smoking people making the same mistake the temperance movement made a hundred years ago. Saloons on every street corner (and the accompanying rampant public drunkenness) was something that harmed teetotalers and lushes alike, but banning people from drinking in their own homes "for their own good" and vilifying those who wouldn't comply was pure us vs. them culture war bullshit and trampled on people's rights to make their own choices. So when I see people talking about banning all smoking in state parks or supporting punitive sin taxes, it doesn't sound like people are talking about the public good anymore, but are trying to force me and people like me to quit smoking (which a bunch of you assholes said outright). I probably should quit, but no one else has the right to make that decision for me and I don't think making smoking into the cool rebellious thing they don't want you to do will work any better for tobacco than it did for alcohol and weed.
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Banning smoking in state parks makes sense from a public heath and anti-littering perspective.
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