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Grover is/was licensed as a professional engineer which meant that he could legally sign the approvals for his house, but he did not actually do that either.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Whats wrong with the condemnation notice? Thats a public record, nothing wrong with it By this logic the goon driving around looking for the house is also fine, because the house exists in the world and can be legally viewed by anyone, so what's the harm in seeking it out? It's you, you're the bad goon.
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Nov 3, 2017 14:14
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Whats wrong with the condemnation notice? Thats a public record, nothing wrong with it The general rule is if the information isn't provided by the poster, posted on SA, it's probably considered doxxing.
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Nov 3, 2017 14:16
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Whats wrong with the condemnation notice? Thats a public record, nothing wrong with it lol
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Nov 3, 2017 14:19
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If the county is telling its people, "yo, this dude lives in an unsafe house," there's nothing wrong if a few wierdos on the internet also know about it. Its a public records request, they exist for a reason
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Nov 3, 2017 14:32
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Nov 3, 2017 14:37
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nah. its creepy. Dont dox folks unless they are like rapists or pedos or nazis and poo poo.
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Nov 3, 2017 14:38
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Going through the effort to find someone's non-SA related info, for the explicit purpose of harassing them over it is pretty much verboten. If the dude isn't actively assaulting, or abusing people, it's generally common courtesy to assume that they want some privacy, even if the government disagrees with what a reasonable level of privacy is.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:If the county is telling its people, "yo, this dude lives in an unsafe house," there's nothing wrong if a few wierdos on the internet also know about it. Once again, lol
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Nov 3, 2017 14:44
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Hello public records office, I would like the report on Grover from the internet.
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Nov 3, 2017 14:47
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*runs in panting* DID SOMEONE SAY GROVERHAUS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7zPiTHjzVI I'm so proud that one of my bans was grover related.
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Nov 3, 2017 14:48
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Turtlicious posted:Going through the effort to find someone's non-SA related info, for the explicit purpose of harassing them over it is pretty much verboten. If the dude isn't actively assaulting, or abusing people, it's generally common courtesy to assume that they want some privacy, even if the government disagrees with what a reasonable level of privacy is. Actually it's admin approved now
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Nov 3, 2017 15:02
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sneakyfrog posted:nah. its creepy. *in an extremely MacReady voice* I say me and the doc here tie everyone up and dox the lot of you. It'd time to find out who's who...
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Nov 3, 2017 15:36
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Turtlicious posted:Going through the effort to find someone's non-SA related info, for the explicit purpose of harassing them over it is pretty much verboten. If the dude isn't actively assaulting, or abusing people, it's generally common courtesy to assume that they want some privacy, even if the government disagrees with what a reasonable level of privacy is. Actually, the mods and admins here lve doxxing people and they do it all the time. -Not Space Crabs
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Nov 3, 2017 16:26
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I think the line is pretty easy to see and if you cross it, you know what you're doing. Filming someone's house is stalking. Going through county records is creepy. Laughing at pictures some dork posts of his awful house on SA, of his own volition, is cool and good.
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Nov 3, 2017 16:27
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I keep thinking to myself, "This should be a warning to people about being too candid on the internet" yet people keep humiliating themselves. Sagas like Groverhaus just reinforce the fact that you need to really be careful about what you are sharing, and how people might take it. I'm sure people like Groverhaus didn't consider he might be the center of mockery and people would literally be driving past his Dr. Seuss house and taking pictures of it. He had to learn this lesson the hard way.
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Nov 3, 2017 16:34
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Panfilo posted:I keep thinking to myself, "This should be a warning to people about being too candid on the internet" yet people keep humiliating themselves. Sagas like Groverhaus just reinforce the fact that you need to really be careful about what you are sharing, and how people might take it. I'm sure people like Groverhaus didn't consider he might be the center of mockery and people would literally be driving past his Dr. Seuss house and taking pictures of it. He had to learn this lesson the hard way.
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I Said No posted:Goon version of Goofus and Gallant would be a fuckin sight.  I'm sure someone has the others, one was def goofus and gallant Bhodi has a new favorite as of 16:40 on Nov 3, 2017 |
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Nov 3, 2017 16:37
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If someone hasn't posted the information on SA themselves don't go looking for it and reposting it. This isn't a discussion and I don't want to hear about other times when it was done or by whom. Okay thanks. I'm gonna give the gangtags to sneakyfrog and proteus jones but thanks for everyone's responses!
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Nov 3, 2017 16:55
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Or just have a thick enough skin to not give a poo poo that people make fun of your house...if I ever, I dunno, liveblog myself building a stupid house, metaphorical or otherwise, please make fun of it Well sure, but having people track down your actual house and taking creepshots of it? I think that's crossing the line. The other issue is that you could have a Goon overshare about Dumb Goon Thing, get mocked and ostracized for it, and eventually come around to what all the other Goons are saying. But by then it is often too late and people will beat a dead horse about it past the point of being compost. In the meantime that Goon is still having to deal with the potential reprecussions months/years later. There's having a thick skin, and there's avoiding ongoing harassment.
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Nov 3, 2017 17:01
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EmmyOk posted:If someone hasn't posted the information on SA themselves don't go looking for it and reposting it. This isn't a discussion and I don't want to hear about other times when it was done or by whom. Okay thanks. make their gangtag really bad lol
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Nov 3, 2017 17:19
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Inescapable Duck posted:Also his predictions about how the Iraq War would go have become a minor forums meme. To give a bit of context for this, it's actually two posts, and it was posted on March 18th, 2003, a day after Bush gave his 48 hour deadline for Hussein and his sons to leave the country, but before the actual US invasion of Iraq began. grover on March 18th, 2003 posted:How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 2 days Note that this is actually two separate posts that have been combined. And even in the wildly optimistic context of the time (most predictions lowballed the casualty numbers and occupation length by MILES), grover's post was in a league of it's own in terms of being wildly optimistic.
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Nov 3, 2017 17:34
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exploded mummy posted:Grover is/was licensed as a professional engineer which meant that he could legally sign the approvals for his house, but he did not actually do that either. Wouldnt there be ethical boundaries to keep someone from approving his own house? Like I have a friend who can inspect cars but hes not allowed to pass his own Im pretty sure
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Nov 3, 2017 17:36
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Aesop Poprock posted:Wouldnt there be ethical boundaries to keep someone from approving his own house? Like I have a friend who can inspect cars but hes not allowed to pass his own Im pretty sure Pretty sure it's that case, kinda like how a notary public can't sign off on their poo poo. Also if I recall, grover has a PE in electrical engineering so I don't think he can stamp house blueprints.
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Powaqoatse posted:make their gangtag really bad lol counterpoint: How bout it be  as heck
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Aesop Poprock posted:Wouldn’t there be ethical boundaries to keep someone from approving his own house? Like I have a friend who can inspect cars but he’s not allowed to pass his own I’m pretty sure Yeah, engineering organizations and licensure boards have rules about not endangering the public welfare or not having a conflict of interest.
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Nov 3, 2017 18:03
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Just PM me the ones you want
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EmmyOk posted:Just PM me the ones you want We can do that for gang tags now?! I've missed out for so long... 
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Panfilo posted:Well sure, but having people track down your actual house and taking creepshots of it? I think that's crossing the line. Oh I guess I was responding to the first part of the post - obviously driving past his house was way over the line. I guess I just think it's a shame if people can't share stuff because goons will take it way too far - the relative insulation of the early internet from supercreeps was really fun and it's kind of a shame that earnesty is dead.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Oh I guess I was responding to the first part of the post - obviously driving past his house was way over the line. I guess I just think it's a shame if people can't share stuff because goons will take it way too far - the relative insulation of the early internet from supercreeps was really fun and it's kind of a shame that earnesty is dead. I'm not entirely sure if it was ever all that protected, to be honest; I've been on this site so damned long now (took me a few years to join, even), and I mostly remember goon rushes and "touching the poop" in the early days. Might be some rose-colored glasses effect on how we remember it. Portal of Evil was pretty good at just watching and waiting to my recollection, but that place is long gone now.
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Nov 3, 2017 18:48
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:We can do that for gang tags now?! I've missed out for so long... No I just meant the two posters who made the best posts after I offered gangtags for the best posts on a particular topic.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Oh I guess I was responding to the first part of the post - obviously driving past his house was way over the line. I guess I just think it's a shame if people can't share stuff because goons will take it way too far - the relative insulation of the early internet from supercreeps was really fun and it's kind of a shame that earnesty is dead. yeah i kinda unironically miss the times when everyone online had livejournals and posted drunken love confessions and talked poo poo about their boss and nobodys parents were online and doxxing wasnt even a word
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A Spider Covets posted:I'm not entirely sure if it was ever all that protected, to be honest; I've been on this site so damned long now (took me a few years to join, even), and I mostly remember goon rushes and "touching the poop" in the early days. Might be some rose-colored glasses effect on how we remember it. Portal of Evil was pretty good at just watching and waiting to my recollection, but that place is long gone now. Yeah, I remember goons got some kid expelled from his school after he vented about one of his teachers. This was in 2002 or 03
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I dont remember exactly when "internet detectivery" started, but it was around the time leading up to the Helldump forum being created. some examples i remember: - someone in the p-p-p-powerbook thread drove by the supposed dropoff point and took a photo of a storefront - that guy who posted about sniffing his sisters underwear & someone figured out his parents phone number and told his parents (then he came back & claimed it was a fakepost & his life was ruined but who knows) - that "hello i am from the internet" phonecall (i think about some kid credit card scamming?) all these were hailed as heroes
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EmmyOk posted:No I just meant the two posters who made the best posts after I offered gangtags for the best posts on a particular topic. Fair enough.
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Powaqoatse posted:I dont remember exactly when "internet detectivery" started, but it was around the time leading up to the Helldump forum being created. that sounds like Alias777 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1823357 EDIT: also the earliest reference to the term "internet detective" as a term of posting personal information about somebody on saclopedia was around early 2006
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Powaqoatse posted:I dont remember exactly when "internet detectivery" started, but it was around the time leading up to the Helldump forum being created. Yeah I've heard of those. And while Internet vigilantism can be used as a force of good (like people that helped suicidal or drug overdosed people by getting the authorities to get to them) there is far more potential for harm. People's Internet memories are long and if you look at how dedicated people can be about stalking and tormenting someone (like Christian Chandler) you can see how easy it is for people to take it too drat far yet vehemently justify it as some common good.
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CWC stalkers and whoever updates that ED page on her have far, far more issues than she ever has.
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Panfilo posted:Yeah I've heard of those. And while Internet vigilantism can be used as a force of good (like people that helped suicidal or drug overdosed people by getting the authorities to get to them) there is far more potential for harm. People's Internet memories are long and if you look at how dedicated people can be about stalking and tormenting someone (like Christian Chandler) you can see how easy it is for people to take it too drat far yet vehemently justify it as some common good. yeah im definitely not saying its a good thing anymore & im sure it was abused back then too, just not as much/consistently i guess? now that everyone is extremely online and there's more than enough hate to go around, its life ruining type poo poo
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Powaqoatse posted:yeah im definitely not saying its a good thing anymore & im sure it was abused back then too, just not as much/consistently i guess? It was definitely abused back then too This is the earliest instance I can find on the forums at a glance of internet detectiving people being used for ill and overall seen as a negative. And this is the very beginning of January 2006. Basically, a guy who posted here and worked at Microsoft would post tidbits of information about what was coming down the pipe from them. Somebody else took issue with that and reported it to his bosses at MS, who then fired him.
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