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The_Doctor posted:Presumably Stamets, a xenomycologist by trade, wouldn’t also have the knowledge to be able to take care of that alongside his own pet project?
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Phi230 posted:How can a show do fanservice if the fans hate it By getting cancelled
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Chop Sunni posted:Mudd and ..the other ...tribble guy.. blur together too closely. I wonder if many others besides me were thinking of him. Cyrano Jones is amusing, in a campy sort of way, and I always consider him at least a minor bonus to watching TwT. I've never liked Mudd. Ever since I was a child, back when TNG was first airing and TOS episodes were in syndication after getting home from school, I've liked Mudd less than any other Trek character I can think of, probably (the Outrageous Okona isn't too far behind, but he's just boring and tedious, more than anything). I like the Mudd episodes the least of all the TOS episodes, too, and they're in my lowest ranking Trek episodes, as well. He's just...I don't know what it is, exactly. But I don't like him. He's negative-entertainment-value for me. If nothing else, I have to give Discovery credit, because my reaction to nu-Mudd is light-years more positive than it ever was to the old one, I was really dreading their being so eager to hint that he'd be in Discovery in the last couple of years, but the outcome (the specific character) is far, far better than I'd worried about, the rest of the episode notwithstanding.
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Nov 2, 2017 10:44
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It's pretty sad when even Gary Seven is a cooler TOS guest character than Harry Mudd. NuMudd is pretty great though, but I get the feeling he'll get old fast. Hopefully the rumors about him returning several more times this season are wrong.
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Nov 2, 2017 10:46
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Drone posted:It's pretty sad when even Gary Seven is a cooler TOS guest character than Harry Mudd. They've devoted a lot of time to the character already - he'll definitely be back.
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Nov 2, 2017 12:32
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Bardeh posted:They've devoted a lot of time to the character already - he'll definitely be back. Gotta say, if he ends up telling the Klingons all the Discovery's secrets, I'll think less of this episode. Let's not make that dumb ending extra difficult to ignore, shall we?
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Nov 2, 2017 12:38
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And More posted:Gotta say, if he ends up telling the Klingons all the Discovery's secrets, I'll think less of this episode. Let's not make that dumb ending extra difficult to ignore, shall we? I mean, ultimately we all know that the Discovery is pretty much destined to blow up and all of the spore drive nonsense research completely abandoned.
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To me TOS isn't star trek. The movies, TNG and DS9 are. I barely remember the Mudd episodes and I can't really see that there's many people watching going "Oh my god, Harry Mudd!!". I've seen them, of course, but even after a recent rewatch I don't paticularly remember the Mudd stuff. I don't get why they decided to bring him back. quote:I mean, ultimately we all know that the Discovery is pretty much destined to blow up and all of the spore drive nonsense research completely abandoned.
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Nov 2, 2017 13:46
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Drone posted:I mean, ultimately we all know that the Discovery is pretty much destined to blow up and all of the spore drive nonsense research completely abandoned. In season two, the spore Drive throws Discovery irrevocably into the future and the rest of the series takes place post-Voyager
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The_Doctor posted:So the room with the spore drive is actually Main Engineering, but the ship also has a fully functioning warp drive, so is that in the room too? Where are all those engineers? Presumably Stamets, a xenomycologist by trade, wouldn’t also have the knowledge to be able to take care of that alongside his own pet project? He doesn't. There was an interview with Anthony Rapp a week or two ago where the interviewer asked him if Stamets was a scientist or an engineer and he replied " Stamets is not an engineer. He understands HOW the engines work, but he can't repair or build the engines" Also the TOS Engineering set had like a small room and the actual warp core was offscreen behind it. There's no reason to think the spore drive couldn't just be in the same area as that offscreen warp core is. The Bloop posted:In season two, the spore Drive throws Discovery irrevocably into the future and the rest of the series takes place post-Voyager I've actually considered this may be an angle they take. I think it's more likely they find out the use of the drive damages the galaxy irreparably somehow, and they do some time travel fuckery to make it never have been invented.
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From the same guys who brought you those $27 Disco T-shirts: http://www.startrek.com/article/discovery-standees-klingon-uniform-tees-available-now Maybe if this show went another season I might get one of the standups, but ehhh
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Nov 2, 2017 16:26
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The Bloop posted:In season two, the spore Drive throws Discovery irrevocably into the future and the rest of the series takes place post-Voyager This is totally fine. I've also seen the theories flying around that Discovery actually takes place in the Mirror Universe, which seems real dumb. Or that the Spore Drive somehow fucks up and the ship pulls a Voyager and is sent far away where no one has gone before with no possibility of return. A sort of Voyager Reboot.
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Drone posted:This is totally fine. I wouldn't be surprised if someone is from the mirror universe, maybe Lorca or Security Chief McBeardy. Actually getting Voyager'd would be a good thing for the show, imo The far future bit would probably suck though because there is no way the Discovery could hold up to anything, other than the zoom drive. A single drat Kazon ship would probably own them, armament, shields, and sensors-wise. Maybe them being super fragile but able to bampf would actually be interesting, though. Not that it matters, none of this will happen. It will just be the Section 31 ship.
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I'd be fine with that, I always thought Voyager should've waited several episodes before becoming stranded. They really could have used some resolution time at the end too. Really I'd just like a reboot of Voyager that is serial but not as dark as BSG. Speaking of BSG, the spore drive reminds me of the FTL in that show.
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Drone posted:This is totally fine. It's definitely not in the mirror universe. Although they've said they're going to have something from there so Lorca (as said before) might be. The spore drive stuff only fitted when the rumours were saying the show was an anthology. Now it's not I just don't get what's going to happen. Will the drive be gone at the end of this series or is it a multi series thing? I know we don't know the answer there yet but it doesn't seem like a show that's going to run and run, rather one that's going to end.
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Arglebargle III posted:Shut up. He's right that a few minutes delay to talk to the captain would be a reasonable thing for Stamets to try. There's no way space environmental law operates in 30 minute increments. Start around 13:06 and pay attention this time.
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I did rewatch it offscreen. Now I'll tell you about it:
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Taear posted:It's definitely not in the mirror universe. Although they've said they're going to have something from there so Lorca (as said before) might be. Michael must self destruct the spore drive to save reality. This causes a multidimensional tachyon wave collapse that makes the ship and her disappear from history. This also has the side effect of making the Klingons look completely different and make Star Fleet have regulation mini dresses for some reason.
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VictorianQueerLit posted:Michael must self destruct the spore drive to save reality. This causes a multidimensional tachyon wave collapse that makes the ship and her disappear from history. This also has the side effect of making the Klingons look completely different and make Star Fleet have regulation mini dresses for some reason. Also, the food dispensers produce colorful cubes instead of sass
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VictorianQueerLit posted:Michael must self destruct the spore drive to save reality. This causes a multidimensional tachyon wave collapse that makes the ship and her disappear from history. This also has the side effect of making the Klingons look completely different and make Star Fleet have regulation mini dresses for some reason. I'm going to say the replicator stuff from TOS and the outfits from TOS don't matter much to me. Nearly everything in there isn't canon any more anyway. The klingons not being viking warriors is pretty boring though. What could possibly tie the spore drive in with them and "fix" them? Who knows.
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I would like to appreciate that, when presented with a time loop, nobody in this episode decided that the best course of action was to completely ignore it, like Picard did every time
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Calling it now, Mudd is a Q.
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I don't give a gently caress about Mudd or any other minor TOS poo poo.
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I just can't see what reason they had for setting this show before TOS other than them thinking Spock and etc are the only popular things about Star Trek. Every other thing makes a SHITLOAD more sense to be post DS9 at least. The spore drive would be more of a question mark, the Klingons are potentially on the cusp of joining the Federation and T'kuvma could fit that into what he's doing much better. And ISIS for Klingons would fit too. It's such a loving stupid choice.
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Taear posted:I just can't see what reason they had for setting this show before TOS other than them thinking Spock and etc are the only popular things about Star Trek. Every other thing makes a SHITLOAD more sense to be post DS9 at least. Pfft, nobody's nostalgic for the 80s and 90s! They want to see the return of characters last seen during the Johnson administration!
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Taear posted:I just can't see what reason they had for setting this show before TOS other than them thinking Spock and etc are the only popular things about Star Trek. Every other thing makes a SHITLOAD more sense to be post DS9 at least. I'm enjoying the show enough so far. Its better than voyager at the moment, and the production value is top notch, but this obsession with TOS is starting to bother me. Honestly who outside of like, 60 year old boomers are THAT interested in the TOS stuff? It feels like they want to pretend everything post TOS never happened, when thats like, what the majority of people are nostalgic for and grew up on at this point. I couldn't give less of a gently caress about Harry Mudd if you paid me. Everything would be amazing if this was post voyager. The tech would all look in place, the uniforms every bit of production design would just fit. The spore drive would be a neat new thing of mystery instead of something we all know is predestined to disappear its just a matter of how. The future of the klingons is a certainty with zero mystery behind it. The future of the federation and the war is a certainty with no drama behind it. Like, the show itself isn't bad, the production design isn't bad (though some of the ship and other designs are WAY too busy), the story isn't terrible, but the setting is just the worst part of it.
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Tom Guycot posted:I'm enjoying the show enough so far. Its better than voyager at the moment, and the production value is top notch, but this obsession with TOS is starting to bother me. Honestly who outside of like, 60 year old boomers are THAT interested in the TOS stuff? It feels like they want to pretend everything post TOS never happened, when thats like, what the majority of people are nostalgic for and grew up on at this point. I couldn't give less of a gently caress about Harry Mudd if you paid me. Everything would be amazing if this was post voyager. I'd say you're wrong here. To most people Star Trek is TOS and the movies. I get why they'd pick it. More people know who Kirk and Spock are than know who Picard and Riker are. They want to appeal to the "common man" which I guess is fine. But it's still a rubbish choice and I hate it. That isn't to say I'm not enjoying the show because I am! I just wish it wasn't a foregone conclusion.
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Taear posted:I'd say you're wrong here. To most people Star Trek is TOS and the movies. I get why they'd pick it. More people know who Kirk and Spock are than know who Picard and Riker are. I feel like this is common wisdom and therefore likely wrong. In the key demo it's almost certainly wrong just because of age.
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Arglebargle III posted:I feel like this is common wisdom and therefore likely wrong. In the key demo it's almost certainly wrong just because of age. It's likely a generational thing. TNG has sorta exploded in the public consciousness (as much as Star Trek can explode at all anymore) for whatever reason over the past decade-ish. Probably because of Netflix.
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Taear posted:I just can't see what reason they had for setting this show before TOS other than them thinking Spock and etc are the only popular things about Star Trek. Every other thing makes a SHITLOAD more sense to be post DS9 at least. Approximately no one wanted it to be a prequel for exactly these reasons. They keep going back to the TOS well because they want maximum profit for minimum effort and they think that era is the easiest to tweak those nostalgic heartstrings.
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Taear posted:I just can't see what reason they had for setting this show before TOS other than them thinking Spock and etc are the only popular things about Star Trek Dumbfuck manager and CEO types in some boardroom.
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TOS era is a proven quantity, they made three movies “about” “it” in just the last few years and they put asses in seats. Not as many as they wanted, ok, but to studio heads that is a lot more convincing than TNG era, a setting that the franchise has done nothing of importance in for nearly 20 years now.
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McSpanky posted:Approximately no one wanted it to be a prequel for exactly these reasons. They keep going back to the TOS well because they want maximum profit for minimum effort and they think that era is the easiest to tweak those nostalgic heartstrings. I’ve been giving The Orville a chance and it’s generally a terrible show, but it absolutely nails the look, pacing, and production values of those 90s Trek shows (for better or, more often, worse). Even just the way it transitions to/from commercial breaks triggers massive nostalgia flags for me, and that nostalgia is pretty much 100% why I’ve stuck with it for as long as I have. So, yeah, there’s definitely an audience that’s nostalgic for that era.
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Arglebargle III posted:I feel like this is common wisdom and therefore likely wrong. In the key demo it's almost certainly wrong just because of age. I know it's anecdotal but as a 30 year old most of my peers would only know Kirk and Spock. There's a gameshow called Pointless where you have to try and get the answer none of the 100 people surveyed knew - in that Kirk and Spock are almost always super high whereas anything from any other Star Trek is low. Super low. It's usually pretty representative as well. That's the UK so it might not be true of the US, but still.
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Drone posted:It's likely a generational thing. TNG has sorta exploded in the public consciousness (as much as Star Trek can explode at all anymore) for whatever reason over the past decade-ish. Probably because of Netflix. Because now 30-40 yo ~thought leaders~ grew up watching it. That's it. It's an age thing.
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Phylodox posted:I’ve been giving The Orville a chance and it’s generally a terrible show You must have impossibly high standards for television or an odd meaning of "terrible"
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The Bloop posted:You must have impossibly high standards for television or an odd meaning of "terrible" It has terrible production values. It looks like a sitcom (which, I guess, it is). It consistently hits the bar for “middling to bad episode of Voyager”. Any interesting ideas and themes are immediately and ruthlessly undercut by its terrible, smarmy humour. Every character has the same voice, Seth McFarlane’s, and I find him viscerally repulsive.
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Taear posted:I just can't see what reason they had for setting this show before TOS other than them thinking Spock and etc are the only popular things about Star Trek. Every other thing makes a SHITLOAD more sense to be post DS9 at least. The post-DS9 Trek timeline is painted into a corner of gently caress by late DS9 and Voyager. There's not a lot left to explore, and there are time travelling narcs everywhere. It's a dead end.
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