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Ogmius815 posted:This is what you don't understand about the dead-ender leftist crowd. For them, how you campaign matters much MORE than boring poo poo like how many felons get their voting rights back. These people are motivated exclusively by opportunities for self righteous caterwauling, and these opportunities are created mostly by superficial nonsense like campaigns. What matters is getting to feel morally superior and telling others about that feeling. A leftist would rather have a "pure" candidate who does nothing than a less pure candidate who does a lot of good things because of how the pure candidate makes them feel. No, bad, stop. Most lefties irl and itt are fine, don't let armchair "progressive"-but-actually-divisive sockpuppets skew your judgement. They're living wedges. Recognize that and harden your circuitry against their interference.
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Flavahbeast posted:No one is saying it's ok quote:It's saying stupid, racist poo poo in a campaign in a sad attempt to get VA independants to vote for him. So long as he responds to pressure (which involves more than pithy snubs from tankies or poetry slams) from the party and his base and does what he's told by the base, I don't give a gently caress what he said to get elected. they quite literally are
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Condiv explain why you support a pro-lifer Minimum 3 pages, single-spaced
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Wait, what socialist did you vote for instead of Clinton, Condiv? I wasn't aware one ran for President.
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Nov 3, 2017 16:48
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Gort posted:Wait, what socialist did you vote for instead of Clinton, Condiv? I wasn't aware one ran for President. gloria la riva
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Nov 3, 2017 16:50
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Condiv posted:beautifully. i don't have to say i voted for clinton, my vote didn't cause her to lose, and i sent a message to the dems by voting for gloria la riva. i also got to vote for a socialist for once instead of voting for a lesser evil poo poo dem, and it felt real good Glad to know that "sending a message" was worth the destruction of the EPA and the appointment of Gorsuch (insert whatever else you wanted) to you, you giant loving shitstain. If your vote "didn't cause her to lose" is what helps you sleep at night because you're refusing to think in aggregate, then your "message" was also worthless. You can't get have it both ways. You didn't send a message that you'd have voted for her if she was more leftist, you sent the message that racism and sexism turns out voters. e: Would love to hear you explain why you think a pro-life candidate is worth your write-in protest vote, though.
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Nov 3, 2017 16:51
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Condiv posted:they quite literally are Not giving a poo poo as long as it works out, and being OK with it are two different things, chum.
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Nov 3, 2017 16:52
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Talmonis posted:Not giving a poo poo as long as it works out, and being OK with it are two different things, chum. problem is that you can't make sure it will actually work out. so in fact it ends up with you being ok with it
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Nov 3, 2017 16:53
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Ravenfood posted:So what you're saying is, you and people like you helped get us Trump i did not. nice try though. my vote is in oklahoma, which went overwhelmingly to trump just like it's gone overwhelmingly to the republican candidate for the last 20-30 years at least
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Condiv posted:they quite literally are I think we'll have to agree to disagree here
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I've been given a 24h probe for this before, not it's right so I'll say it again: A lot of the links and responses Condiv whips out are "but, actually" cherry-picked or intentionally-out-of-context talking points that also feature on /r/the_donald. I'm not suggesting Condiv reads that subreddit, I'm suggesting that he lenses and frames media in the same way. A question that almost asks itself: "What common grievances lead to the interpretations Condiv and t_d derive?"
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Ravenfood posted:e: Would love to hear you explain why you think a pro-life candidate is worth your write-in protest vote, though. You're not gonna get an explanation for this one and if you are it will be tantamount to "well Tom said he was sorry about that  "
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Nov 3, 2017 16:56
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Condiv posted:i did not. nice try though. my vote is in oklahoma, which went overwhelmingly to trump just like it's gone overwhelmingly to the republican candidate for the last 20-30 years at least Would you have voted Socialist if you were counted in a swing state?
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Perriello, had he won the nomination, would be getting poo-poohed in this exact same way for his pro-life stuff. He’d still be a centrist traitor, like every Democratic nominee, because the perfect leftist candidate doesn’t exist. It’s the reverse corollary of Limbaugh’s law: their movement cannot fail. It can only BE failed. Ignore the noise and do the work. Get your candidates and put them in a place to succeed.
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Hellblazer187 posted:Would you have voted Socialist if you were counted in a swing state? that was probably the last time i felt even a tinge of need to vote the lesser evil. so back then, yes i probably would've. in the interim, dems threw away a bunch of elections to the republicans cause they were afraid leftists might win so i no longer would Condiv fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 3, 2017 |
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Potato Salad posted:I've been given a 24h probe for this before, not it's right so I'll say it again: this is pretty silly potato salad. i wasn't the one in here trying to suck up to republicans a week ago
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Nov 3, 2017 17:02
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Condiv posted:problem is that you can't make sure it will actually work out. so in fact it ends up with you being ok with it Tomorrow, Bernie Sanders could drop trou on live TV to expose an "I HATE BLACKS AND HISPANICS!" Tattoo on his rear end, revealing it's been a long con all along. I can't "make sure" it won't happen, even though the left whined about him being such an awful racist during the primary. But I know full well that Gillespie is. Here's the choices: a.) Gillespie, who will be a racist gently caress, as he is campaigning hard on being a racist gently caress. b.) Northam, who might be a racist who will sign a ban on sanctuary cities, but more than likely is just being a coward. Good possibility that he'll respond to pressure from his base, and not be a monster. c.)Write in (pro life) candidate for internet points from other tankies. In essence, voting for Gillespie by proxy.
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Potato Salad posted:I've been given a 24h probe for this before, not it's right so I'll say it again: Being poo poo on by liberal elites over and over again It's also a common grievance of like 60% of the country, not everyone can stockholm themselves into voting for pro-slavery pro-wall pro-rich democrats every 4 years.
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Nov 3, 2017 17:04
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Talmonis posted:Tomorrow, Bernie Sanders could drop trou on live TV to expose an "I HATE BLACKS AND HISPANICS!" Tattoo on his rear end, revealing it's been a long con all along. I can't "make sure" it won't happen, even though the left whined about him being such an awful racist during the primary. But I know full well that Gillespie is. if bernie sanders did that i wouldn't vote for him and i'd be pissed as hell at him. you're saying it's ok to vote for the guy spouting racist poo poo cause maybe you can stop him from doing racist poo poo in office, which is unlikely.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Perriello, had he won the nomination, would be getting poo-poohed in this exact same way for his pro-life stuff. He’d still be a centrist traitor, like every Democratic nominee, because the perfect leftist candidate doesn’t exist. It’s the reverse corollary of Limbaugh’s law: their movement cannot fail. It can only BE failed. Perriello was whipped out in a posting attempt to make a point that failed upon scrutiny. The most that could be concluded on that front is to say that Condiv hosed up in either his research or his eagerness to get grievance-lefty cred. Other posts/points of his are much more concerning than his misunderstanding of what's now a write-in-for-kudos candidate
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Talmonis posted:Tomorrow, Bernie Sanders could drop trou on live TV to expose an "I HATE BLACKS AND HISPANICS!" Tattoo on his rear end, revealing it's been a long con all along. I can't "make sure" it won't happen, even though the left whined about him being such an awful racist during the primary. But I know full well that Gillespie is. Please know that Bernie doesn't have a tattoo of that text on his butt.
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Potato Salad posted:Perriello was whipped out in a posting attempt to make a point that failed upon scrutiny. The most that could be concluded on that front is to say that Condiv hosed up in either his research or his eagerness to get grievance-lefty cred. like? to be honest, you really should stop writing fanfiction about me being a trump supporter or whatever potato, it's really sad
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Condiv posted:the people advocating for "using a stick and carrot approach" will never do so because they are drat afraid to use the stick. primarying? no, too scary, might let a republican win. criticizing? no too scary, we need to stay unified or trump wins. protesting? no, too scary, people protesting is how trump won. Plus some of us literally did vote for Sanders and Periello in the primaries. Condiv posted:beautifully. i don't have to say i voted for clinton, my vote didn't cause her to lose, and i sent a message to the dems by voting for gloria la riva. i also got to vote for a socialist for once instead of voting for a lesser evil poo poo dem, and it felt real good Yep, I'm ultra glad I didn't vote for HRC. VA still went blue, I got to vote for an actual pacifist, and I don't regret it for a moment and plan to do so again in 2020 if the DNC serves up another war hawk corporate toady. So everyone can save their lectures for their Trump voting friends and relatives. poopinmymouth fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Nov 3, 2017 |
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poopinmymouth posted:Plus some of us literally did vote for Sanders and Periello in the primary Good! Now get more people to stump for that. Perriello lost by 11 points, and that sends WAY stronger messages to the Dems than anything else.
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You can rail at the posters in here all you want, it's only one vote each. The point is a lot of people aren't going to see the point in putting in the increasingly difficult effort to get to the ballot box to vote for the lesser evil. The Democrats are determined to commit political suicide and take most of the country with them.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Good! Now get more people to stump for that. Perriello lost by 11 points, and that sends WAY stronger messages to the Dems than anything else. I did? Is the idea of someone politically active but unwilling to vote for centrists that much of a white raven?
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poopinmymouth posted:Plus some of us literally did vote for Sanders and Periello in the primaries. Keep pushing. Are you canvassing or at least phonebanking? Are you at all interested?
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poopinmymouth posted:Yep, I'm ultra glad I didn't vote for HRC. VA still went blue, I got to vote for an actual pacifist, and I don't regret it for a moment and plan to do so again in 2020 if the DNC serves up another war hawk corporate toady. So everyone can save their lectures for their Trump voting friends and relatives. Right, because other people actually went out there and did something they may or may not have wanted to do, and saved you the effort.
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Quorum posted:Right, because other people actually went out there and did something they may or may not have wanted to do, and saved you the effort. Yep, and them falling for HRC's kleptocracy of the DNC is why we have Trump.
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Quorum posted:Right, because other people actually went out there and did something they may or may not have wanted to do, and saved you the effort. if they voted for hillary, it's cause they wanted to. let's not pretend they had no choice
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Boon posted:That's not really what I wanted to convey but I see that now. If it helps, my original comment is essentially directed entirely at Kilroy. Though I do admit that I'm frustrated with USPOL basically being Dems Bad thread 2.0 which was unreadable in its unrelenting cynicism and edginess. You need to understand that, for people who aren't privileged under the status quo (which coincidentally happens to account for the majority of liberals who complain about leftists), making the Democrats do important good things is a very high priority. As things are now, status quo Democrats could control every branch of government for 100 years and we'd still live in a lovely, inequitable society. If you're suffering under the status quo (or actually care about people who are), changing the Democrats should be a top priority.
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poopinmymouth posted:I did? Is the idea of someone politically active but unwilling to vote for centrists that much of a white raven? Yes. It’s nice to meet one.
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poopinmymouth posted:Is the idea of someone politically active but unwilling to vote for centrists that much of a white raven? It isn't. I find that people get into phonebanking as a great gateway to finding your niche for involvement. It's definitely intimidating, however, and I only got into knocking on doors when a college friend impressed on me how normal and uneventful most of his experiences were. Your Boy Fancy posted:Yes. no, stahp,
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poopinmymouth posted:Yep, and them falling for HRC's kleptocracy of the DNC is why we have Trump. But I thought you said part of the reason you were happy with your vote is that Virginia still went blue? Did people actually doing the heavy lifting (bare minimum lifting actually but hey) to prevent their state going for an Actual Fascist do a good or bad thing?  Understand, I took to heart your assertion that you are immune to argument and aren't ever budging from your views. I'm just curious.
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Republicans didn't get to where they are by electing Trump. They got to where they are by electing vague party men who set up a stranglehold on the country's institutions that would later be subservient to Trump and the Conservative Media. If we want any hypothetical True Leftist to be worth a god drat, we're going to need to give him or her compliant toadies downticket. Northam and any other centrist who derive their power at least partially through left-wing buy in are a means to that end. If the GOP have complete control over redistricting in 2020 all the leftist candidates in the world won't matter.
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Quorum posted:But I thought you said part of the reason you were happy with your vote is that Virginia still went blue? Did people actually doing the heavy lifting (bare minimum lifting actually but hey) to prevent their state going for an Actual Fascist do a good or bad thing? I wasn't clear then. VA going blue is a reason for the HRC parade to mellow on the bullying. I'd still have zero regrets if VA had gone Trump and I'd blame the same people I do in this reality, and that's Trump voters first and foremost, and next those who pushed HRC and fell for her as a candidate over Sanders.
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poopinmymouth posted:Plus some of us literally did vote for Sanders and Periello in the primaries Bernie pledged to continue the drone program and has voiced support for Mueller's red scare witch hunt: https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/925014333494571008 Sure, Bernie might be better than the GOP but it's it really defensible to vote for him?
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Keep getting mad about posters in this thread who think Northam is poo poo, the real issue is that it is a demonstration that when push comes to shove Democrats will get racist instead of defending minorities and that is a loving problem. I work at a primarily Hispanic school and I know tons of kids whose parents either didn’t vote or voted Trump despite the clear threat to them from all his deportation talk, and the reason is that the so-called good guys just spent eight years deporting the poo poo out of them too. Lesser evilism doesn’t work because human beings don’t make utilitarian decisions the way triangulating morons think they do, they see bad thing happening and either get embittered or vote opposite. You have to provide a clear loving alternative. I don’t know anything about Virginia so maybe the Hispanic population there is ineffectual to the result there, but this speaks to a greater problem in the Democratic Party, one of failed strategy, and it should be rightly shitted on when seen.
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Flavahbeast posted:Bernie pledged to continue the drone program and has voiced support for Mueller's red scare witch hunt: Nope, which is why I didn't. Finding out he supports the drone program moved him from acceptable to nope between the primaries and general, which is the time period I found that out. To clarify, I mean as a "throwaway/protest" vote (whatever you want to call it). Had he been the actual nom with a chance of winning.... I'd have had to think about it seriously but I'm 60/40 on hold my nose and vote for him despite.
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