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Hunt11 posted:The weirdest thing about the right is the fact that they worship the police yet don't seem to trust them to actually protect the people. That's really not the weirdest thing. The police aren't there to protect you in the immediate situation, that's a matter of personal responsibility. The police are there to keep non-whites out of your life. Captain_Person posted:And now the National Party's former leader's son has threatened to record a diss track. Ah yes, let's diss Eminem, this is a thing that's known to end well for people. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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I'm still disappointed that Trump didn't try to reply to his rap callout, because it would have been pretty fun.
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muscles like this! posted:The gently caress happened with Meat Loaf? He's 70 years old and also drugs. Like, A LOT of drugs. It's easy to think that Meatloaf is younger than he is because of when he was famous but the dude did not get famous young.
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muscles like this! posted:The gently caress happened with Meat Loaf? He's extremely emotional about singing, apparently. Did anyone else think that Oliver's jokes telling that gay couple to break up were kind of in bad taste? You can identify "We don't want to get married, therefore gay marriage doesn't matter" as a bad argument without directly calling for the other guy to dump his boyfriend and find someone else. e: Wow, wouldn't have guessed Meatloaf was 70. Guy looks really good for being that old and doing a bunch of drugs. NoEyedSquareGuy fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Did anyone else think that Oliver's jokes telling that gay couple to break up were kind of in bad taste? You can identify "We don't want to get married, therefore gay marriage doesn't matter" as a bad argument without directly calling for the other guy to dump his boyfriend and find someone else. Not really. I'd expect the same joke if there were some other subject he was talking about and for some reason they included a man and a woman in a relationship, and the man had proposed and the woman had said no in the most stereotypically I-don't-want-to-commit-to-you-ish way ("Oh, I don't really believe in marriage, let's just be together, who needs to make it official?") possible. Because, really, what Mr. Sad Sack Proposal guy doesn't seem to understand, or refuses to accept the implications of, is the fact that his proposal was turned down because his S. O. doesn't want to commit to him in any meaningful, live-long, official way. Since that's obviously important enough for Sad Sack to mention in the news interview (not to mention by proposing in the first place), it's clear that they both see the relationship very differently, and honestly, that can only end in tears. Would this have raised an eyebrow if it had been a straight couple? Because that's such a standard trope in fiction that nobody seems to question it.
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Orange Devil posted:That's really not the weirdest thing. The police aren't there to protect you in the immediate situation, that's a matter of personal responsibility. The police are there to keep non-whites out of your life. I think he means in the "Trust, support and love the troops, the police and the country. But I need my guns in case any one of them starts gunning for me."
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The seagull joke wasn't enough payoff for the dumb interruptions.
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I think married people generally value marriage and tell other people to give it a go, it's fine. I liked the seagull bit because it was an actual structured joke instead of a reflexive jab against fast food or wasting time making fun of somebody's face. Too often, John Oliver is really, really lazy with his jokes. Insurance is turbofucked, and the idiots who refuse to move are bound to raise hell about the government kicking them out of their lovely homes, and the richos who don't need massive subsidies will be able to even more efficiently raise hell about it, not to mention the insurance companies that probably keep lobbying for their easy money.
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Remember this unfunny joke from earlier in the show? Well, here it is again because gently caress you and we only had a week to make this episode. edit: Why am I not surprised Tucker Carlson has several retarded family members? SyRauk fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Burkion posted:He's 70 years old and also drugs. I wouldn’t say 28 is all that old.
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pwn posted:Rocky Horror came out 42 years ago, 2 months before NBC’s Saturday Night premiered Meatloaf didn't get famous in the mainstream off of Rocky Horror. His first platinum album was in 1977, when he was 30. He only really hit the mainstream after that in the early to mid 80s, and easily one of his most memorable and favorite songs, I'd Do Anything For Love, only came out in 1993 when he was 46. The fact that he had a minor role in a cult film is more of a foot note for his career. It's super easy to think that when he was big, IE the 80s when he was in his 30s to 40s, he was a lot younger because he looked a lot younger and he acted that way. And again, drugs.
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He definitely spearheaded the "over the top" music video, though. Look up the videos for the "series" of those songs.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:He definitely spearheaded the "over the top" music video, though. Look up the videos for the "series" of those songs. Oh definitely, but that was, again, late 70s to mid 80s, when he was already in his 30s. Some people just do not get famous young.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:He's extremely emotional about singing, apparently. No, it was just a very obvious "this guy has commitment issues" joke to make.
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One thing that actually bothered me about the episode was how they left out an important criticism of Trump's stupid "Just say no" retake in that it is such a big problem due to over-prescription, not recreational use. Really though they could do a whole main segment on the rise of the business of selling prescription drugs to the mass market, instead of doctors.
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A physicians assistant prescribed me a medication that ruined my life. I had told him I didn't want to be on synthetic opioids for my lower back, so he instead gave me a muscle relaxer that causes "voice of god" hallucinations. I got no after care. gently caress em all, and happy Halloween
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Solvent posted:A physicians assistant prescribed me a medication that ruined my life. So, uh, what did ol' Baphomet have to say?
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lol - as above so below? It's a term used to describe some hallucinations that people on Baclofen have. https://vanwinkles.com/baclofen-nightmares-dmt-visions-end-addiction-french-doctors I read this thing, and it seemed similar. No control over my train of thought, couldn't tell my internal monologue from that of voices outside of me. The sense of urgency that came with the thoughts was overwhelming. It took my latent concerns about never being good enough, and amplified them to the point where things that I'd never do or say, just cam spouting out of me over a period of six months. It took a pain management specialist to recognize what was happening, and taper me off baclofen, which meant another three months of what was basically crippling anxiety abut not knowing what was real. The whole point I was trying to make is, it doesn't matter the drug, if there's no aftercare, many medications will lead to the sort of thing that happened to me, or the millions of other people who were prescribed inappropriate medications. Vicodin for back pain? That's the worst thing! People hurt their backs more and don't feel it, on top of that whole national emergency of opiate addiction. I was trying to avoid getting addicted, and instead I was driven crazy. I don't think it's just overprescription, or inappropriate prescription, I think its also lack of proper aftercare for people who are given these amazingly strong medications. From the innocuous seeming muscle relaxer I got, to the pill given to children to make them tolerate school, the epidemic has been long in coming because of our profit driven health care system. Give em pills and shut em up, keep the insurance dollars rolling in.
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muscles like this! posted:Really though they could do a whole main segment on the rise of the business of selling prescription drugs to the mass market, instead of doctors. As a Canadian I always find it so jarring whenever I flip to a US-based TV station how many ads there are for prescription medication.
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You'd think that Trump and most congressmen would be in a good position to be sympathetic to opioid addicts. I would've expected old men with garbage bodies that are falling apart and full insurance coverage to be right in the risk zone for addiction to prescription drugs.
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In theory yes, but when your bank account can resolve many, if not most, of the problems that come with addiction it seems far more manageable and you tell yourself that those who are crippled by it are just weak willed.
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Yeah, for a prime example, see Rush Limbuagh. He was (probably still is) tossing back oxy like candy all the while saying that we should lock up drug addicts and throw away the key. Money may not make you happy, but it sure solves a lot of problems.
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IRQ posted:Money may not make you happy, but it sure solves a lot of problems. It can... I think in this case, a good thing to remember is that opiates are more effective antidepressants than SSRI’s. So if he has to go home to a guilty conscience, burdened by the knowledge that everything he stands for is a lie, and all that money is derived from keeping people misguided, the gentle caress of soothing narcotic bliss is exactly what keeps him from thinking too much, and he’s not alone. It’s why crack was an epidemic, and this is a crisis. loving hot take I know, but it’s a real salient point I think you made (if I’m not reading too much into your post), about class division being the only real difference in the “drug war”. Propaganda floats so many of the social betters. The “just say no” rhetoric is exactly what works best to activate cognitive dissonance. “I can afford expensive therapy, and medication assisted recovery for my loved one’s momentary weakness, but a crack addict is just an unredeemable social parasite at best. We are better than they are.” I got to see someone kick heroin a couple years ago, at my advice she acquired a stack of suboxone patches, and just ate high calorie food and slept for about a week. She told me that it was the easiest kick ever. The aftercare that nobody would give her however may have doomed her to relapse, but I wouldn’t know, she left to the other side of the country fleeing warrants. I was reading about Trump’s approach to combating what is now a leading cause of death with this declaration of emergency, and it involves expanding drug courts and law enforcement if I understand correctly, but that’s not what addicts need. Anybody with an addiction has to want to get better foremost, and if treatment is punishment, it conditions people to avoid and escape, instead of working alongside practitioners to get better. NA and AA get around this with long winded diatribes about hitting rock bottom, but people don’t have to go that far to want help. Medication, therapy, a change in social circles, this could all be done before addiction has ruined one’s prospects for the future. Instead it’s the mark of the felon to be attached, a parole or probation officer one must accept, a stigma of helplessness and submission to authority in order to receive help. I’m sure I’m not the only one that can draw an allegory to a parent child relationship. It should be obvious that infantilizing an adult in the name of treatment, would lead to more resistance as that person struggles to assert a coherent self. Sort of putting people back to square one of being an adult, the early teenage years, where a person is deciding who they are, and asserting their difference from authority. How do teenagers respond to dictatorial authority? Allowing people a chance to take their lives back from the bondage of addiction, only to be shackled by the state... what kind of chance is that?
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I also gotta toss in a bit about my original gripe about bad practices of doctors. I know of two people right off the top of my head, who are being treated for oxy/hyrdo addiction with methadone. What the ever living gently caress would induce a doctor to ween a person off of a readily available narcotic, that was misprescribed by a doctor in the first place, with another, even more addictive medication??? The friend I mentioned in the last post? She got her suboxone patches by trading pot for them, with someone who was prescribed the patches for loving PAIN MANAGEMENT! They were completely unavailable otherwise to her.
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It's definitely class thing, and of course a race thing. Rich (white) people have medication, poor (black) people have filthy immoral criminal drugs. And the only, only reason anyone cares about this opiate epidemic is that now it's white people of a pretty broad economic swath dying, whose "gateway drug" was so often the very same legally obtained prescription medication. If it was crack again, well, lock em up and throw away the key; what public health emergency?
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Also, the poors/coloreds/undesirables are filthy degenerates who can't help but poison themselves with filthy drugs. Rich affluent folk, however, have a disease, and need your thoughts and prayers while they undergo treatment. It's the old 'looting/gathering supplies' dichotomy.
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Solvent posted:I also gotta toss in a bit about my original gripe about bad practices of doctors. I know of two people right off the top of my head, who are being treated for oxy/hyrdo addiction with methadone. What the ever living gently caress would induce a doctor to ween a person off of a readily available narcotic, that was misprescribed by a doctor in the first place, with another, even more addictive medication??? That's a trap that the medical profession is really weak to. Therapy and continued care is complex and difficult, but hey, some medicine that alleviates all the symptoms? What could possibly go wrong?! That's why they they tried to cure opium addiction with morphine and morphine addiction with heroin and heroin addiction with methadone, and so on and so forth. Of course, the biggest root of all these problems with the medical industry is that doctors are marketed to directly by companies so they can convince the doctors that just prescribing their product (even specifying the regimen for taking it, which can be harmful) will cure whatever problem that's ailing the patient, even setting up reward systems for doctors who are extra-enthusiastic about pushing the product. The Dollop did a real nice two-parter about it. Basically, while on the surface, US healthcare is turbofucked with lack of access to insurance, jacked-up prices, and cultural tendency towards unhealthy habits, underneath the surface it's even more hosed by treatment being dictated by corporations trying to push their bottom line.
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The suboxone patches are actually designed for pain management. The pills and strips are prescribed for opiate withdrawal, but (at least in TN) you don’t get them from a normal doctor. A family doctor/general practitioner can’t prescribe them. They have to come from a licensed addiction recovery clinic, which is why those types of places are popping up on every corner around here. I doubt suboxone was completely unavailable to her. She just wasn’t going to the right place.
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empty baggie posted:I doubt suboxone was completely unavailable to her. She just wasn’t going to the right place. Quite possibly, but it's not as if our poo poo healthcare system makes it easy to get treatment the Right way. Addicts with warrants enough they have to flee across the country don't typically have health insurance.
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IRQ posted:Quite possibly, but it's not as if our poo poo healthcare system makes it easy to get treatment the Right way. Addicts with warrants enough they have to flee across the country don't typically have health insurance. You're very right. They were drug felony warrants of course. About a year before that, she and her at the time boyfriend were caught at some dirt motel with a trunk full of meth and heroin. My understanding was that a lot of clinics used to just cater to people who were under the radar, by having their funding come from block grants. I'm assuming now that the Affordable Care Act has been rolled out, that it's based on MediCal enrollment? Sounds like the same tactic that's being used to subjugate Mexican immigrants. Persona non grata shows up, expecting to be treated, gets arrested instead. SlothfulCobra posted:Of course, the biggest root of all these problems with the medical industry is that doctors are marketed to directly by companies so they can convince the doctors that just prescribing their product (even specifying the regimen for taking it, which can be harmful) will cure whatever problem that's ailing the patient, even setting up reward systems for doctors who are extra-enthusiastic about pushing the product. The Dollop did a real nice two-parter about it. I agree completely. Thanks for that link, I'll give it a listen in the next few days for sure. Solvent fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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IRQ posted:Quite possibly, but it's not as if our poo poo healthcare system makes it easy to get treatment the Right way. Addicts with warrants enough they have to flee across the country don't typically have health insurance. Most suboxone clinics don't take insurance, anyway, and those that do, most insurance companies don't cover the weekly/monthly appointments (though sometimes they cover the actual suboxone).
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You do. Come up with $17 a day if you don’t want to suffer withdrawals, peasant. Edit: Sorry, I was thinking of methodone. No clue about suboxone.
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A guy I know pays roughly $10 a suboxone out of pocket because his insurance doesn’t cover it. That’s after using one of those prescription discount cards. From what I’ve seen, they can be as high as $15 a pill without insurance depending on pharmacies. There’s one place in town I’ve heard of that sells them for around $6 a piece, but they aren’t accepting any new customers with suboxone prescriptions because they’re completely slammed every day with recovering (or just flat out) junkies picking up their pills. I know a lot of people on suboxone.
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The federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour. People who are addicted to any kind of opiate, synthetic or otherwise, prescribed or pushed, regardless of race, have to pay the equivalent of two hours of work that they are not able to get. Something I've been wondering about that's on topic with the last episode as well, is Puerto Rico. Did any of those US nationals have that federally underwritten flood insurance? Was it required? Does FEMA buyout properties in what is now a pseudo American wasteland? 400 million dollars into the pockets of the insurance companies. Last week a doctor I know out of practice told me that he was glad "at least illegals aren't filling the emergency rooms anymore" in San Diego. Thanks to Trump. Thanks Trump. Edit: Pardon me, I was upset when I wrote this. The doctor that I mentioned was a Trump supporter, and he was making an "at least" comment about Obama and the Affordable Care Act. Thanks Obama. Barry was the best president in my lifetime. Not perfect, but by far the best. Solvent fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Nov 6, 2017 |
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TheCenturion posted:It's the old 'looting/gathering supplies' dichotomy. When Oliver was lining up the "worst flooding news segment" bit I really thought he was going to go to Wolf's "so so black" rather than the dumb lady in the dumb boat.
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The NY Times just published a big story on Flood Insurance... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/business/a-broke-and-broken-flood-insurance-program.html May need a subscription to see.
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OK this Postal Service TV show has to be an elaborate troll by the show OH GOD I GOOGLED IT, THIS THING IS REAL AND IN SEASON 3.
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