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Tesseraction posted:the SWP sucks and the Morning Star is good, namaste The Morning Star is extremely tankie about the Middle East but is otherwise good
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Keith Gessen in the New Yorker reviewing Volume II of Kotkin's Stalin biography (which was just released in the US).
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GalacticAcid posted:lol just ran across this trots.txt letter to the LRB bemoaning Hobsbawm's failure to sell his party newspaper lmao
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'october' update: it's good, lol at all the socialists clinging to a moribund bourgeois government that hates them even as the people are storming the palaceGalacticAcid posted:lol just ran across this trots.txt letter to the LRB bemoaning Hobsbawm's failure to sell his party newspaper lol
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MikeCrotch posted:The Morning Star is extremely tankie about the Middle East but is otherwise good But it's for Peace! (and Socialism) more seriously since it's actually somewhat popular at the local co-op I only buy it when it's not out of stock so I may well have missed it secretly being THE LION ASSAD
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I picked up Kotkin's Volume 2 today.
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GalacticAcid posted:I picked up Kotkin's Volume 2 today. that new yorker piece seemed super mad about the book and determined to throw in as many anti-communist bromides as possible to "balance" it out, which means i'm reading that fuckin thing asap
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i unironically wish i had time to read the 2000 page stalin bio
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the weird thing is that kotkin is not a communist at all. far from it
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anyone know when the audiobook is gonna get released?
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https://twitter.com/hegelfan1/status/809450356753068032
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Kotkin's anticommunist for sure but more saliently he's anti-Trotsky. Eta, his Volume I is a thorough dismantlement of Trotskyist historiography of the Revolution & Stalin's rise, and his analysis aligns with a more orthodox ML reading - that Lenin led inexorably to Stalin. GalacticAcid fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Nov 4, 2017 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the weird thing is that kotkin is not a communist at all. far from it no kidding https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-communist-century-1509726265
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GalacticAcid posted:Kotkin's anticommunist for sure but more saliently he's anti-Trotsky.
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if anything this just goes to show how the opening of the archives has forced a reevaluation of the ussr by even the staunchest anticommunist historians. robert "literal ird propagandist" conquest had to admit he was wrong about the famine when kotkin's deep dive into stalin makes TROTSKY look bad, and knowing his biases, that's really something
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Kotkin never came off as anti-communist while I was reading the first edition until the very end in the summery chapter, and even then he came across as more anti-collectivization than anti-communist. He’s very objective and not at all judgemental during the first book. I’d guess he’s a socialist based on his descriptions of the Mensheviks and Left SRs but he really keeps his personal politics out of biography. I’ve never read any Trotsky, is he really as insufferable as Kotkin portrays him?
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Worth noting that Kotkin does read and admire Marxist historians, as made clear in his review of "Interesting Times". And I agree with A Typical Goon's assessment.
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i took an internet quiz that said i was a left sr sooo
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Karl Barks posted:i took an internet quiz that said i was a left sr sooo  Maria Spiridonova
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A Typical Goon posted:I’ve never read any Trotsky, is he really as insufferable as Kotkin portrays him? The short answer is yes. If you read Trotsky's "History of the Russian Revolution," he cannot resist describing his former comrades as incompetent idiots. He was too proud to join the Bolsheviks in 1917, and actually formed his own party for a few months. Personally, I think that Trotsky's personality was one of the dominant reasons for the ascent of Stalin.
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Trotsky was the world's first permabanned poster.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Trotsky was the world's first permabanned poster. he changed his ip but mods took it too far
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Toblerone Trotskangular
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trotsky's flight to mexico is the first recorded instance of the establishment of an offsite forum
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Yossarian-22 posted:he changed his ip but mods took it too far mods gave him a different kind of ip
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theflyingexecutive posted:mods gave him a different kind of ip
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*After reading Kotkin's first volume* Stalin was right to murder all these oppositionist cucks
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theflyingexecutive posted:mods gave him a different kind of ip 
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theflyingexecutive posted:mods gave him a different kind of ip gently caress
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theflyingexecutive posted:mods gave him a different kind of ip lmao
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GoluboiOgon posted:The short answer is yes. If you read Trotsky's "History of the Russian Revolution," he cannot resist describing his former comrades as incompetent idiots. He was too proud to join the Bolsheviks in 1917, and actually formed his own party for a few months. Personally, I think that Trotsky's personality was one of the dominant reasons for the ascent of Stalin. trotsky was basically the guy who thought he was smarter than everyone in the room and too good for his group of friends and let everyone know it he's basically "that guy" of the Bolshevik leadership
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lollontee posted:*After reading Kotkin's first volume* Stalin was right to murder all these oppositionist cucks Kotkin basically portrays the oppositionists as incompetent idiots a few steps removed form an average d&d marxist poster which I thought was hilarious
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theflyingexecutive posted:mods gave him a different kind of ip STALIN
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my favorite oppositionist story from kotkin was when stalin was taking control of the party machine by packing the party apparatus with his cronies because he controlled the orgburo and the secretariat which were basically the party's HR department. So zinoviev was like stalin this is getting out of hand and stalin was like ok, you can come to our HR meetings and do some appointments of your own or something. But then the HR meetings were super tedious and boring so zinoviev stopped going since failing to overthrow foreign governments as the head of comintern was more exciting. and stalin kept on stalinizing the party and ended up using the party as a tool to murder zinoviev.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Trotsky was the world's first permabanned poster. exiled for shitposting.
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Typo posted:Kotkin basically portrays the oppositionists as incompetent idiots a few steps removed form an average d&d marxist poster which I thought was hilarious It really does put to bed the whole "trotsky would've won" meme. A socialist worker's state, with these chucklefucks in charge? loving hell, half the loving people on "show trial" were themselves corrupt fuckfaces and the other half did absolutely nothing about cadre corruption in Siberia.
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