DrPop posted:

Alternatively get Prospero because MKIII + Ahriman

Corrode posted:

So what are people hoping for from the BA/DA books?

goose willis posted:

I think Games Workshop did a fantastic job of making sure that every unit has a use and that there are tons of options for every army and you can really customize things in so many ways, but I think they went a little overboard on simplifying the psychic phase because it's nothing more than the formality of just getting off a few smites

PierreTheMime posted:

Carnifices

Corrode posted:

So what are people hoping for from the BA/DA books?

Lord_Hambrose posted:

Criminal there isn't a MK IV and Tartaros and MK III and Cataphractii options. I need half of both boxes constantly.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I love the pastel Eldar.

goose willis posted:

What is wrong with just playing whatever you like because it's cool?

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Man, I really want to play an all-Primaris army but oh my god they are just not worth their points.

Corrode posted:

Most people don't like getting pounded off the table every game

Soulfucker posted:

Got in a game with a buddy returning for 8th today! He's one of those Warrior + Carnifex Tyranid players and is sort of excited for the upcoming book which looks like it is not going to be completely irredeemable and wanted to try out a game with the current rules to get a feel for how 8th edition plays. Because he was playing the bugs I took this opportunity to dust off my Harlequin force and give them a spin on the battlefield:

Endman posted:

Aw man, Winters is a nazi?

I thought it was just StrikingScorpion who was a lovely brexiteer

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Allies Of Convenience Podcast

For anybody who hasn't seen it yet...
Dark Angels & the Lion rules below.

Thanks to The Inner Circle facebook page

So the Codex is finally announced and a good friend of mine has given me some juicy tidbits.

Preorder on the 2nd of December
Available on the 9th of December

A few changes in a couple of units. Points moving to match the vanilla codex.

No Sammael in Sableclaw in the codex

Black knights and deathwing terminators may now be upgraded to a command squad (1 per army) this basically gives them the bodyguard ability.

Now the juicy stuff

Abilities

And they shall know no fear

Inner circle
This unit automatically passes morale checks. In addition it may reroll at to hit rolls against Heretic Astartes and all to hit and to wound rolls against Fallen in the fight phase

Ravenwing
If this unit moves it gains a 6+ invulnerable save to all shooting attacks. If it advances it gains a 5+ Invulnerable save to all shooting attacks

Grim Resolve
All UNFORGIVEN units may Overwatch on a 5+ and will only lose one model to a failed morale test

Have the same space marine stratagems as vanilla marines with the exception of
Masterful marksmanship
Cluster mines
Tremor shells

Also access to these unique stratagems

Fury of the First
2CP
Use this stratagem in your shooting phase. All plasma weapons may use the supercharge weapon template but ignore any mortal wounds that would be caused by a roll of 1.

Repent for Tomorrow You Die
Unforgiven Stratagem
1CP
Use this stratagem before overwatch, the UNFORGIVEN unit may fire overwatch at full BS.

Teleport Homer
Unforgiven Stratagem
2CP
Play at the beginning of your turn. Any DEATHWING unit may deepstrike from reserve within 9" of an enemy unit as long as it is within 6" of a RAVENWING UNIT

Deathwing Assault
Unforgiven Stratagem
2CP
Play at the beginning of your turn, any DEATHWING unit entering by deepstrike may fire twice or add 3" to a charge roll this turn.

Same standard space marine Warlord Traits as vanilla marines with the following unique ones.

Unforgiven
Hold at all costs
Your warlord and UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of your Warlord may roll a D6 for every wound sustained, on a 5+ it is ignored.

Unforgiven
Courage of the First Legion
UNFORGIVEN units in your army may use your Warlords Leadership for morale checks.

Deathwing
The Hunt
Any enemy Character that your Warlord slays in the fight phase grants one victory point

Ravenwing
Rapid Manoeuvres
Your warlord and any RAVENWING units within 6" of him may add 2" to all move, Advance and charge distances and add +1 to all JINK rolls

Relics

Sacred standard
Only one sacred standard can be taken per army

Standard of Devestation
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard may fire twice in the shooting phase and automatically pass morale checks.

Standard of Retribution
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard may attack twice in the fight phase and automatically pass morale checks.

Standard of Fortitude
All UNFORGIVEN units within 9" of the standard when suffering an unsaved wound may roll a D6 on a 5+ the wound is ignored and automatically pass morale checks.

Mace of Redemption
S+3 Ap-3 D2
If a unit suffers damage from this weapon reduce WS by 1 until the end of the next fight phase.
Against Heretic Astartes weapon is AP -4

Lion's Roar
When attacking with this weapon, choose one or both of the profiles below. If you choose both, subtract 1 from all hit rolls for this weapon-
Boltgun 24" Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP0 D1
Plasma 24" AssaultD3 S7 AP-3 D1

Foe Smiter
Rapid fire 3 S4 AP-1 D1

Monster Slayer of Caliban
S+2 AP-2 D d3
If this weapon causes at least one unsaved wound roll a D6 on a 6 the model is removed from play. Does not effect models with the VEHICLE keyword

Shroud of Heroes
The shroud of heroes confers a 4+ cover save and for each unsaved wound roll a D6 on a 6+ the save is ignored

And finally the biggest news in my opinion

Lion El’Jonson
M 8"
WS 2+
BS 2+
S 6
T 6
W 9
A 7
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Hope Melee Melee S+2 AP -3 D 2 If you roll a wound roll of 6+ for this weapon, it inflicts Mortal Wounds instead of its normal damage.

Despair 18” AssaultD3 S8 AP -3 D3 If a unit suffers any damage from this weapon, roll a D6 on a 6 the unit suffers D3 Mortal Wounds

And they shall know no fear

Master of the First – If your army is battleforged, you receive an additional 3 CP if Lion El’Jonson is your Warlord.

Armour of the Order – Lion El’Jonson has a 3+ invulnerable save. In addition all UNFORGIVEN units within 8” receive an 5+ Invulnerable save.

Blade Master - For every unsaved wound Lion El'Jonson causes in the fight phase he can immediately make an additional attack. This ability can only be used once per fight phase.

Master Strategist- each time a stratagem is used roll a D6 on a 4+ the CP for that stratagem is not spent

I Primarch – You can re-roll any failed hit and wound rolls for friendly UNFORGIVEN units within 6” of Lion El’Jonson

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Man, I really want to play an all-Primaris army but oh my god they are just not worth their points.

Ropes4u posted:

I’m building one knowing I will get beat, but that’s okay I’m new anyway.

What do they need to be more competitive?

Corrode posted:

So what are people hoping for from the BA/DA books?

Personally I'm thinking Death Company should pick up the fight twice ability a la Berzerkers, which would go a long way towards making them more useful. Points drops across the board. I expect most of the stratagems to be the same, although I'd hope that the Angels ones are better than the base SM ones.

Stephenls posted:

Surely you mean... Pasteldar.

SteelMentor posted:

If they were doing something as big as the Lion, you'd think they'd be making more song and dance about it.

Genghis Cohen posted:

I think that Dark Angels stuff looks pretty shady. Yes, the rules seem extremely strong, but that could technically be GW's usual weak balance. But would we really have a full stat breakdown of the next Primarch kit without even the sniff of a picture of the model? Seems odd someone was given a 'tidbit' of a complete breakdown of rules, but not sight of the book to mention what a new kit looks like.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Long-range anti-tank. More anti-tank in general, really.

More anti-horde that isn't Aggressors.

A niche for Intercessors. As of now, they're less versatile tactical marines.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Long-range anti-tank. More anti-tank in general, really.

More anti-horde that isn't Aggressors.

A niche for Intercessors. As of now, they're less versatile tactical marines.

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

chutche2 posted:

I know those rules are fakes but I want the lion and one other primarch to come back so you can field a 3 primarch lord of war detachment