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I'm late to bad game chat but I beat Septerra Core. Twice (admittedly second time with cheats). The whole concept of the world was just so special for me as a 12 year old, and the intro was quite literally the first "3d video" (not sure what to call it) I had ever seen. And a decade later there was nostalgia...
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Oh you guys are referring to Tales of Destiny 2. I was confused for a sec.
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got the true ending of lost dimension. it left me wanting more but not in a good way. it feels like there's so much raw potential there but it's just not realized. cool bad guy though, with a cool bad guy song george's stygian slash attack, where he hypnotizes an enemy to walk towards him or something as he walks towards them like shikimaru's shadow jutsu, is really funny because a lot of the enemies in this game are giant inhuman lumbering robots GulagDolls fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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I have to say, a .hack game at 60FPS is goddamn weird. Especially on the arena emperor island where on PS2 the game would drop to like 10FPS every time you went there across several games. Also I think they toned down some of the blur effect the PS2 games had, which is definitely appreciated. I dunno, for a series this old, I think it stands up just by virtue of being rather stylized. Clawhands notwithstanding.
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Allarion posted:I feel like you're glazing over the barcode part, but I haven't played Destiny 2 From what I remember it's that the priest assigns the baby some alphanumeric ID instead of a name before having it sent away. The point is that even though it's objectively easier and less awful it's unnatural and robbing people of their humanity, especially in this case by making it about painless childbirth and "real" motherhood. Berseria actually hits kind of similar notes but executes it pretty well, since we're on the subject.
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Tired Moritz posted:So is the head writer a male or what wikipedia posted:The scenario was handled by Japanese writing company Gekko i dunno if there are any specific credits, for who wrote destiny 2. and they're probably not the same person who wrote berseria
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Tired Moritz posted:So is the head writer a male or what the head writer of what, tales? tales of destiny 2 and berseria have different writers. Tales of Destiny 2 was written by a writing workshop called the Moonlight Scenario Group, and it employs both men and women, and doesn't seem to list which of them worked on Destiny 2 specifically. I'd guess a guy, just because the heads of the Moonlight Scenario Group seem to be guys, but who knows. The head writer of Berseria is a guy (Naoki Yamamoto, who wrote Hearts and Xillia 2 primarily) but when Caphi said Berseria hits similar notes he didn't mean it had that exact same scenario play out.
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Tales has a bunch of different writers. The ones with a female head writer are Symphonia, Abyss, Eternia, and I believe Innocence? That said, the series employs a decent number of female staff and female writers, and there's mentions from the various male head writers in interviews of them wanting to do this or that but then they realized it was a dumb idea when they talked to said women about it.
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Getsuya posted:Okay maybe I'm done with Type 0. The story has a nice military theme and seems to be deep, but in reality it's like you're just getting little barely-connected vignettes, and I sort of realized I didn't really care how the story turned out. The battles were just way too finicky to be fun. I really wanted to like this because the story seemed cool, but the jank-rear end combat has completely turned me off. I think I tried to warn you off of it earlier, but allow me to tell you what the final act is, because it's a massive gently caress you to anyone who gets that far (spoiled to be polite): The game turns on permadeath, turning your thirteen kids into thirteen lives, and forces you to make two parties who have to go through rooms with an instant-kill condition on each. The problem is that you have no idea what condition is on each path without finding a guide, so you are almost guaranteed to lose at least one kid to "brought a mage onto the physical only room" or some such. Then it makes you go back through new condition rooms to get back to the opening. In the middle of all of this is a "gently caress you" bad ending that forces you to game over by suicide if you pick the wrong choice. This choice comes before THE ONLY SAVE POINT IN THE DUNGEON, meaning you have to redo everything if you choose improperly. Then it goes "okay now you have to beat the game on NG+ if you want an ending, fucko" and actual story beats are doled out on that as well. It's so loving hateful in the last hours.
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END ME SCOOB posted:It's so loving hateful in the last hours. poo poo man that's square enix's m.o. lately. have you seen im setsuna
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Yeah but The Fires of Suzaku is pretty boss
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The White Dragon posted:poo poo man that's square enix's m.o. lately. have you seen im setsuna No, but I guarantee someone is going to give it to me for Christmas because that's when everyone pulls the knives out on me.
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You get the actual ending if you beat the game the first time. Doing the new game+ just means you get an easter egg ending.
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Endorph posted:The plot's both poorly written and completely, utterly unfinished in such an obvious way that it's almost shameful it even got released in this state. Other Tales games only manage one of those. I don't know why they struggle so much. The setting is more than up to snuff and the characters are always good..ish. I guess having to touch all the anime keystones including racism and betrayal just forces the plot way too much. Rascyc fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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berseria didn't even touch either of those. it's even a little scene when the person who could have potentially betrayed you chooses not to go through with it there are plenty of seriously bad tales plots with graces, destiny, and symphonia but like. i don't think even the ones that hit those notes are that bad on average. abyss was really cool and touched on a lot of really interesting stuff without feeling unfinished or like it wasn't really exploring any of it e; actually i guess berseria had that one bit but like that one barely even registers for me as a forced betrayal thing for how little relevance that character had to begin with it was just kind of, a plot point The Colonel fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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The Colonel posted:berseria didn't even touch either of those. it's even a little scene when the person who could have potentially betrayed you chooses not to go through with it I wasn't feeling super stoked about that character for a while but then that scene happened
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Rascyc posted:Sure but you only need one of those to be insulting in the end. They've been really bad plots for awhile. Something something anime.
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Tales has issues but I'd much rather play Berseria or Xillia plot-wise than a good chunk of JRPGs released in the past 5 years.
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I mean, most people play like maybe, maybe 10 rpgs all year so "best" jrpg is a super edge case.
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Also since the women thing came up Berseria has a few weird jokes in it but on the whole it's actually really good about female characters having and acting on their own wants and needs and specifically shits on the idea of a dude deciding what's best for a lady is keeping her safe and innocent. And no, Berseria doesn't have any value commentary on motherhood. I just meant it also has bits about a highly controlled life vs a free life with the possibility and acceptance of pain.
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Endorph posted:berseria is one of the best written JRPGs made in the past decade (and probably ever) and Xillia 1's plot is fine. Not amazing, but fine. It's rushed towards the end and Alvin's everything is handled weirdly but it still hits on some interesting ideas. im still disappointed in xillia 2. Great plot hook, im surprised they managed to make "you travel to other dimensions and destroy them to pay off your medical debt you were forced into" dull.
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Tae posted:I mean, most people play like maybe, maybe 10 rpgs all year so "best" jrpg is a super edge case. You are way overestimating how much people play RPGs
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Agean90 posted:im still disappointed in xillia 2. Great plot hook, im surprised they managed to make "you travel to other dimensions and destroy them to pay off your medical debt you were forced into" dull. i liked xillia 2. it has a lot of issues and a good chunk of stuff that's clearly just cut from xillia 1 and muzet's side story is awful but i thought most of what it tried to do was cool the big thing that's been dragging down tales recently was having a way overambitious producer and berseria brought on new staff to lead the games who did a way better job with the resources they had so hopefully there won't be insane bloat anymore
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Andrast posted:You are way overestimating how much people play RPGs Well I'm just thinking on people that post on forums, who are already a niche minority. I know the average person plays like 10 games total a year, but some people here play literally 20+ jrpgs which skews their perception.
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The Colonel posted:berseria didn't even touch either of those. it's even a little scene when the person who could have potentially betrayed you chooses not to go through with it To me, Berseria is at best an anti hero vengeance plot that is all over the place once the power of friendship shows up and discarded for a typical religion is bad mmk plot. Eizen/Zaveid have all the coolest and interesting moments while everyone else has these silo'd stories that are mapped 1:1 with an opposing rival that just happens to be on traitors side for fringe reasons. There are some okay moments like all Tales games but it's pretty by the numbers. Best written JRPG is a big ole stretch in my mind but I'd be hard pressed to decide what JRPGs are well written these days. I'd prob go with Tactics Ogre until the last moments? Maybe that's my preferences speaking more than quality judgment.
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I guess Automata is already on the negative phase of writing, huh.
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Tae posted:I guess Automata is already on the negative phase of writing, huh. I mean just stretching the landscape out a bit but Horizon Dawn's story isn't terribly original or great but all of the ways it's presented really elevates it a lot. I wish JRPGs would follow suit. I suppose P5 comes close enough to that to overlooking a bunch of little issues (until I open Twitter and people are frothing at the mouth yikes)
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Stormblood was also pretty good from what I heard, and Yakuza 0 had the human erection. Also, nobody remembers except hardcore but Trails in the Sky 3rd released this year as well.
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Rascyc posted:Half the plot is predicated on Velvet laser focusing on a betrayal that resulted in bad things though. edit: also velvet's backstory isn't remotely like the tales traitor trope, come on. If you're going to say the series can't use betrayal as a plot point just because it's over relied on one specific manifestation of that concept then you've locked it off from like 90% of all plot possibilities, ever.
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I'm replaying suikoden 2 for the first time in about 15 years. How is this game this good?
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murayama was cool before....the great collapse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PfoC8MiQ8o the number of unique animations just in this one scene..so good
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Endorph posted:off from like 90% of all plot possibilities, ever. But I mean, I just assume that's what people play Tales for at this point. Nothing inherently wrong with that, I just wish it would go in a different direction for me because the gameplay is sliding on challenge so soon I'll be left with nothing from Tales except skits and that's not enough.
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Rascyc posted:But I mean, I just assume that's what people play Tales for at this point. Nothing inherently wrong with that, I just wish it would go in a different direction for me because the gameplay is sliding on challenge so soon I'll be left with nothing from Tales except skits and that's not enough. That's one of the reasons I never got incredibly far in Berseria when I played it, I got maybe seven hours in or so and was never getting hit and the game was starting to get really boring. I think it's pretty unfair to say that Tales writing is only cliche because everything's already been done though; there's a pretty wide line between re-approaching common writing tropes and strict adherence to anime stereotypes, and the Tales series has been very comfortably embracing the latter side for as long as I can remember, with the possible exception being Abyss which I also happen to love.
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The Colonel posted:i liked xillia 2. it has a lot of issues and a good chunk of stuff that's clearly just cut from xillia 1 and muzet's side story is awful but i thought most of what it tried to do was cool I played through Xillia 2 because Xillia 1 left me wanting more. But cripes, that game's plot is misery porn.
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i mean a lot of weird messed up stuff happens in xillia 2 but i don't feel like the end point of it all is just people suffering for the sake of it. the true ending is pretty sweet and a lot of the side stories are just about people learning stuff about themselves
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CaptainScraps posted:I'm replaying suikoden 2 for the first time in about 15 years. It's just the best RPG of that console (generation), with one of the best RPG villains of all time.
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GulagDolls posted:i'm not sure how the big cybercorp in dothack keeps getting away with things. i think in universe no one can prove a link between the comas and game or something. I think at one point they do a huge recall of the visor-thing some people use to play the game, thinking that that device was the problem, but it's actually the game itself. idk the lore isn't well documented Doubling back to this because I want to talk about it. There was a good LP thread going on a while back of the entire dot hack series that explained a LOT to me about the "lore" of the real-world, and it turns out that what's happening in the actual world is usually the most interesting part of the entire series. What the games/anime (at least the anime that was shown on TV, the supplemental anime that come with the games is where most of this goes on I believe) do a very poor job of explaining to you is that the real world of .hack is in a sort of parallel dystopia of our world, as opposed to the primary difference being "Earth but also with VR helmets." At some point, a group of internet bad men shut down the internet temporarily, which crippled society for the short amount of time it was down because of all the things we have now that require the internet (think air traffic controllers as a simple but major example). As a result of this, what is functionally the UN took control over the entire internet and it's distribution, meaning only certain people were allowed to even use the internet, and even less were allowed to do any internet development. CC Corp, the ones who make The World, are basically one of the only (if not implicitly the actual only) companies in the world allowed to make online games, which also makes them a UN-approved business. That's why there's a cover-up of the comas going on, as another poster mentioned. During the original hacking, people were also put in comas, so the ability of the internet to put people into comas isn't a magical attribute of just the game, so that's why people aren't necessarily making as big a deal out of the situation as you would expect them to, but trapping people's consciousness in the game is new but is also way harder to prove, and is only discovered by a very small amount of people.
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The Colonel posted:i mean a lot of weird messed up stuff happens in xillia 2 but i don't feel like the end point of it all is just people suffering for the sake of it. the true ending is pretty sweet and a lot of the side stories are just about people learning stuff about themselves The spirits created a dumb contest where innumerable realities would be created and erased for no good reason. The contest existed only to give Chronos (I don't know names it's been awhile) an excuse to wipe out humanity, whose hopes and dreams were POISONING his friend. Yes, Xillia is a world where hopes and dreams are literally poison. Then when humanity won the contest against all odds, their reward was that the spirits would fix all the bullshit they created in the process of making this dumb contest. Also you have to choose whether Luger or the girl dies because the spirits can't be arsed to lift a finger for you beyond the mandated wish (which was either 'we fix everything we hosed up so you ultimately get nothing out of this' or 'your dumb wish and also the world is doomed') So basically the premise is 'Luger gets dragged across the world's problems through no fault or agency of his own and his ultimate reward is the erasure of his own existence ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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ChrisBTY posted:The spirits created a dumb contest where innumerable realities would be created and erased for no good reason. The contest existed only to give Chronos (I don't know names it's been awhile) an excuse to wipe out humanity, whose hopes and dreams were POISONING his friend. Yes, Xillia is a world where hopes and dreams are literally poison. Then when humanity won the contest against all odds, their reward was that the spirits would fix all the bullshit they created in the process of making this dumb contest. Also you have to choose whether Luger or the girl dies because the spirits can't be arsed to lift a finger for you beyond the mandated wish (which was either 'we fix everything we hosed up so you ultimately get nothing out of this' or 'your dumb wish and also the world is doomed') The spirits being masters of intentionally petty and dickish structures holding humanity down where the only reward for beating them is that humanity gets let loose and have to stand alone in trying to figure out how to fix the problem themselves is literally the plot of Xillia 1. Xillia 2 just turns up the drama of it by making someone pay with their life in the end instead of just a relationship breaking up.
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