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Which charity would be getting the chapo apology donation after Dolan being on?
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coathat posted:Which charity would be getting the chapo apology donation after Dolan being on? Bana
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Nov 5, 2017 03:56
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:somebody should tip Will Menaker that the Dolans will be in NYC so they can get John on Chapo. Mark Ames lives in NYC, and after Twitter blew up about the eXile last week, I was kinda hoping they'd have Ames on. Taibbi's been on Chapo before, but I always thought Ames was funnier in person/on camera than Taibbi anyway. Dolan would be good too, though. I still need to check out his guest appearance on that drug podcast.
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dinoputz posted:Mark Ames lives in NYC, and after Twitter blew up about the eXile last week, I was kinda hoping they'd have Ames on. Taibbi's been on Chapo before, but I always thought Ames was funnier in person/on camera than Taibbi anyway. Dolan would be good too, though. I still need to check out his guest appearance on that drug podcast. Ames is way too hot to be on Chapo right now, but John Dolan's biggest controversy was getting savagely and brutally owned by his English students in New Zealand.
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Nov 5, 2017 06:00
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Great Max Blumenthal cast this week
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Nov 5, 2017 11:20
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I honestly believe Jezebel and its like are black propaganda sites made to discredit any leftists that are effective or close to being so
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Nov 5, 2017 19:01
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I don’t know what race has to do with it but yes they are.
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Nov 5, 2017 19:08
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I enjoy radio war nerd a lot and think Ames has done good journalistic work on stuff like the Koch brothers but it's completely predictable and reasonable that people would object to his repeated glorification of rape back during his days at the Exile. "Jezebel is just anti-leftist propaganda" might not be the best rejoinder to people criticizing Ames for writing stories that sound basically indistinguishable from stuff written by Roosh.
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Nov 5, 2017 19:18
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Helsing posted:I enjoy radio war nerd a lot and think Ames has done good journalistic work on stuff like the Koch brothers but it's completely predictable and reasonable that people would object to his repeated glorification of rape back during his days at the Exile. "Jezebel is just anti-leftist propaganda" might not be the best rejoinder to people criticizing Ames for writing stories that sound basically indistinguishable from stuff written by Roosh. i mean yeah when i said I was hoping that Ames was gonna be on chapo, my ideal for that woulda been largely what Ames would have already said at the end of the Iliad RWN episode, which I hadn't listened to all the way thru yet. his statement was pretty good without being too self-flagellating lime Taibbi's was, I guess since Ames and Dolan wisely killed off any chance of journalistic and academic prospects and thus stayed niche enough that they shouldn't be harmed from that... Unless, yknow, an actual victim steps forward, which then all bets could be off. The eXile stuff's been out there for decades and isn't new news, and with Ames being a "credible leftist" with a loyal following—and importantly, as far as I'm aware, not really having the particular weinstein-like power of being able to potentially kill careers/damage prospects of a victim if a victim did come forward—I'm leaning towards thinking it'll be alright. then again i have no idea what goes on behing closed doors so  until 
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I strongly object to the characterization that Ames "glorified" rape.
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Nov 5, 2017 22:36
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Taibbi's dad is/was also a well known journalist and so like Blumenthal (whose family is pretty well off) they can continue to exist in the mainstream press despite any bad opinions. Where was Taibbi's statement by the way?
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Nov 5, 2017 23:02
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all of Taibbi & Max Blumenthal's opinions are good and correct 
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Nov 5, 2017 23:23
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I strongly object to the characterization that Ames "glorified" rape. Seconded. Honestly, I was quite down on Ames after reading the Exile book, but after recently learning just how many of the paper's "contributors" were entirely fictitious, the whole "It was all a parody of Yeltsin-era debauchery and lawlessness" defense got some traction with me. Hell, I even remember feeling like a teen loser reading one of their columns by some wealthy russian playboy with a stunning wife bringing in her hot model girlfriends in for threesomes, and just learned that said guy never existed.
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Nov 5, 2017 23:36
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Sephyr posted:Seconded. Johnny Chen was their "Nightclub Reviewer" who bragged about raping young women in the process of his escapades, and the central conceit of the character - the point of the joke - is that he was working in Russia for USAID.
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Nov 5, 2017 23:41
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sorry but jezebel wrote an article that said that even if they're fake they're still bad and only exist to advance ames' and taibbi's careers imagine a contextless vacuum of a void where friction and any colors inbetween black and white don't exist;
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Nov 5, 2017 23:52
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I strongly object to the characterization that Ames "glorified" rape. Let's be as generous as possible and accept that this is mostly Ames being in character and doing a gonzo parody of how an American expat behaves in a foreign land, it's still glorifying rape. At most you could argue that Ames is glorifying rape ironically. quote:They say they also take advantage of what they like to call the “white god factor” and make trips to the provinces. “Tens of millions of people live in dire circumstances, stranded in the center of the world’s largest continent, with little hope of going anywhere,” said Mr. Ames. “Which means–sexual opportunity for me.”
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Nov 6, 2017 00:08
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Johnny Chen was their "Nightclub Reviewer" who bragged about raping young women in the process of his escapades, and the central conceit of the character - the point of the joke - is that he was working in Russia for USAID. This is the nuance that almost everyone who reads it isn't going to get. Ames and the Exile crew have some very hot takes about liberal establishment sacred cows like USAID, Amnesty, and the ACLU.
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Helsing posted:Let's be as generous as possible and accept that this is mostly Ames being in character and doing a gonzo parody of how an American expat behaves in a foreign land, it's still glorifying rape. At most you could argue that Ames is glorifying rape ironically. Even if we take that at face value I wouldn't call it glorifying. Characterizing sexual relations as inherently violent is a patheticism. He doesn't claim that the hosed up sexual politics of Russia are admirable.
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Nov 6, 2017 00:25
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Considering how uncouth and lovely our humor standards all were about 20 years ago, and in contrast the good to fantastic work and writing Matt and Mark have done since then in contrast, trying to paint a black mark on people speaks to how highly people see themselves as arbiters of justice to go around judging everyone. It was a dark comedy rag that even myself am not a huge fan of, but there's a reason human civilization came up with concepts like the statute of limitations to enforce the rule of law. Our society's morality has rapidly grown and changed, especially with the invention of the internet, and we need to accept that other people can learn and grow along with us without trying to mob mentality brand people with a permanent mark of shame. Matt's last piece in Rolling Stone and all of his work for them has been phenomenal. There's no reason to taint him with stupid poo poo he wrote as a joke 20 years ago other than self-satisfaction.
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Helsing posted:Let's be as generous as possible and accept that this is mostly Ames being in character and doing a gonzo parody of how an American expat behaves in a foreign land, it's still glorifying rape. At most you could argue that Ames is glorifying rape ironically. Unless you think depicting equals glorifying I don't understand your point. There is no glory there. It's a terrible person talking about how he abuses women and his pathological way of relating to women. You're meant to feel disgusted by him. I haven't read the book, only the excerpts that keep getting dragged out so unless there is more context that changes things I don't get it. Anta has issued a correction as of 06:18 on Nov 6, 2017 |
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The one issue of eXiled that i read had a story in which two of the reporters had sex with Estonian prostitutes, including non-consensual anal. Not sure about the whole magazine, but that issue absolutely glorified rape (and worse, treated the encounter as some way of paying Estonia back for importing so many Russian women as sex workers).
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GoluboiOgon posted:The one issue of eXiled that i read had a story in which two of the reporters had sex with Estonian prostitutes, including non-consensual anal. Not sure about the whole magazine, but that issue absolutely glorified rape (and worse, treated the encounter as some way of paying Estonia back for importing so many Russian women as sex workers). That may have been your cue to see it as extreme satire. I'll admit it flew over my head more than once. I don't blame anyone for not getting it or not finding it funny/acceptable if they do get it. I'm not sure how I feel about it overall. Relieved that they were not raping/harrassing women wholesale (low loving bar, I know). but also a bit irked at the bro-ish amplified antics. It's the Eric Cartman paradox; no matter how vile your satirical jerk is, some people will end up thinking he's a cool anti-PC truth-teller rebel. It's easy to get lost in the Bukowski/Hunter Thompson corridors of trangressive writing.
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A lot of it just plain isn't funny, is the thing.
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Sephyr posted:That may have been your cue to see it as extreme satire. I'll admit it flew over my head more than once. It was treated as straight up sex tourism; there was like two line justification for traveling to estonia and then a two-page very explicit transcript of what occurred with the prostitutes. There was no irony in the transcript, it was just the script of a porno. This is the same magazine that described clubs and bars by how easy it was to get laid if you went. eXile posted:... voted best place to have a girl hand you her number as she is blowing another man in a bathroom stall. What you are describing is very similar to the alt-right ironic Nazism. "Oh, I was just being sarcastic" is just a cover for deeply problematic behavior. Russia in the 90s was very tolerant of sex without consent, and this drew some very scummy people from the US.
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Sarcasm is also used as a way to express contempt for the subject, and isn't like irony or satire.
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Now that the neo-Nazis have ruined irony, we have to be serious about everything all the time. 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:all of Taibbi & Max Blumenthal's opinions are good and correct sorry i meant "bad" opinions that get people upset at them because they don't like wall street or american imperialism Dreylad has issued a correction as of 15:43 on Nov 6, 2017 |
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Nov 6, 2017 15:34
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I'm Mark Ames bitch. gently caress yo couch.
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Nov 11, 2017 12:54
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:all of Taibbi & Max Blumenthal's opinions are good and correct This Taibbi article is too down on Venezuela for it to be good or correct http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-on-goldman-sachs-bailing-out-nicolas-maduro-w484824
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Atrocious Joe posted:This Taibbi article is too down on Venezuela for it to be good or correct Seems accurate to me. Maduro isn't a committed socialist in any real sense.
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I know I've been critical of Mark in the past, but there is still good in him. https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/932378830123274240 
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Leading with the war roundup was a nice change of pace, and this is one of the rare times the news coverage is better than the interview/subject matter - although the interview about Kashmir is also good.
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Nov 20, 2017 20:48
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looking for episode suggestions rn pls n ty
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the byzantine-sassanid one was good, the one on the illiad, the sci-fi and fascism one, the one about the Sikh empire crimean war in the context of russiaphobia was decent. I've done some research on the topic of the latest episode so I'm excited to hear it
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I'm not subscribed anymore so don't know the episode numbers, but the ones with William Hogeland (on the Whiskey Rebellion and war between Americans and Indians) are fantastic. EDIT: #63 and #85 Also any episode with Carl Zha on Chinese history. snoremac has issued a correction as of 03:31 on Dec 1, 2017 |
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Dec 1, 2017 03:28
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the sci go & fascism episode is must listen. the latest episodes are also really good.
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I'm listening to the episode about Disinformation Warfare at my folk's house while waiting for dinner, and just as they start ripping into Tom Dooley, an old documentary sucking him off pops up on EWTN 
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Autism Sneaks posted:I'm listening to the episode about Disinformation Warfare at my folk's house while waiting for dinner, and just as they start ripping into Tom Dooley, an old documentary sucking him off pops up on EWTN Yeah, the Colonel Kurtz line about the Viet Minh chopping off the arms of all the children who were vaccinated by Americans, comes straight out of Dooley's Deliver Us From Evil, which was fabricated.
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paul_soccer10 posted:looking for episode suggestions rn pls n ty I remember the Cold War Counterinsurgencies and the South Ossetia episodes were the ones that really hooked me. Also really good was an early one about the Human Terrain System (episode 27 I believe, Palmyra was in the title) that was based on an article the WN wrote for NSFWCorp. And as someone mentioned earlier, the episode on the Sikh Empire was incredible.
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