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VivaLa Eeveelution: Apr 3, 2011

The way I see it, s44's the 'no brown M&Ms' law.

Is it that important in the grand scheme of things? No.

Is it easy to not break? Yes.

What does it say about the politicians that do break it? That through negligence and/or superiority complex, they did not bother to follow the law.

Regardless of their policies, I would like those pollies to GTFO plzkthx.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 08:47

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 00:04

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Gorndar posted:

I think US taxation law works overseas. Also being a citizen of another country if they had mandatory military service is probably bad if you ever had to vote on military action with/against them.

Also Chinese and South Korean criminal law applies to their citizens even if they go overseas.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 08:51

The Lord Bude: May 23, 2007; ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

We have a variety of criminal laws that apply to Australians overseas as well.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 08:53

Severing: Aug 26, 2017

IMO its not xenophobic to prevent them sitting in Parliament.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 09:04

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/Paul_Karp/status/927409723057496064

# ? Nov 6, 2017 09:27

racing identity: Apr 5, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

S44 is very good because it has resulted in the humiliation/ruined the careers of a number of politicians, most of them conservative. That is a worthy end goal of a policy in itself.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 09:42

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

s44 is the rake on the ground that the LNP can't stop stepping into.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 09:44

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbd4t-ua-WQ

# ? Nov 6, 2017 09:46

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

https://twitter.com/Scottludlam/status/927437084528336896

# ? Nov 6, 2017 09:49

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

tithin posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbd4t-ua-WQ

This is exactly what I had in mind, classic Simpsons always delivers.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 09:49

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

I�m okay with the anti-refugee party falling apart because their parents all turned out to be immigrants. It�s just too bad the Greens had to take the first hit.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:00

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:

I�m okay with the anti-refugee party falling apart because their parents all turned out to be immigrants. It�s just too bad the Greens had to take the first hit.

https://twitter.com/Scottludlam/status/927437084528336896

I dunno, they seem to be enjoying themself

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:03

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Starshark posted:

Can you give an instance where an overseas law would affect a dual citizen in Australia?

Sure. If the other nation has a domestic law that forbids dual citizens to perform certain roles in other nations, such as not being allowed to serve in a foreign military.
(I won't name which country I have in mind but it was once relevant to me, fortunately I wasn't dual when I looked into it)

If you don't pay attention you could be committing a crime overseas because of dual nationality and if you're really unfortunate they might figure it out when you go visit.

Different examples (mostly specific to the US): http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/031315/advantages-disadvantages-dual-citizenship.asp

Tl;DR taxation laws for another nation might apply to you regardless of where you are in the world. Do we have a reciprocal legal arrangement with that nation and does it apply to you? Good idea to go find out.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Nov 6, 2017

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:07

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

bandaid.friend posted:

https://twitter.com/Scottludlam/status/927437084528336896

It'd his profile pic on FB too.

Hands down may turn out to be the first Green since Bandt to actually influence something.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:14

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Starshark posted:

I'll admit I'm a bit confused here, because when I was overseas I wasn't subject to Australian laws as far as I was aware, I was subject to the laws of the UAE, the UK and Ireland. Now, I'm not an international lawyer so I could well be wrong. Can you give an instance where an overseas law would affect a dual citizen in Australia?

Pretty sure lese majeste laws in Thailand apply for offences committed out of the country(although they have never successfully extradited someone on those charges). Also things like sex tourism laws apply to citizens while they are abroad.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:27

the old ceremony: Aug 1, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

based on this threads' information i have decided to join the greens

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:29

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

"I don�t for the life of me understand why the gay community has decided to emulate an institution that doesn�t work for even straight people � It is laughable."

This is what a 59-year-old black gay activist in Los Angeles told me of his views on same-sex marriage. He is typical of many older gay men who are bemused by the younger generation�s desire for marriage, reflecting the radically different experiences of those who grew up in far more restrictive and intolerant decades.

We know that generally older Australians are less supportive of same-sex marriage. In 2013, I interviewed a small international sample of men as part of my research on sexuality and ageing. Most of the men over 50 were dubious, if not opposed, to gay marriage, while most of those under 30 were supportive. While these results may not apply directly to Australia in 2017, they are indicative of a generational divide between young and old gay men.

These older men have largely remained silent in the current same-sex marriage debate. I suspect this is because they do not want to be accused of betraying their own kind or exhibiting �internalised homophobia�, which for decades has been the accusation hurled at gay people who do not conform to the prescribed norms of the sub-culture.

It is vital that we listen to their perspectives, because older gay men are an already marginalised group, experiencing greater financial and social insecurity than younger men. We must ensure that same-sex marriage should it be legalised does not further sideline their experiences.

One aspect of same-sex marriage that could confuse older gay men, and possibly also lesbians, is that it is at odds with beliefs they might have formed when they were young. In the early 1970s, feminists and gay liberationists asked their followers to think about how to liberate their own needs from the constraints of family, and experiment with alternative forms of intimate relationships, very different to the idea of nuclear family: heterosexual married parents with biological children.

In the early days, these relationships were as simple as two men regarding themselves as an item. The acknowledgement of friends, and sometimes siblings and parents, was enough public acceptance. Often these men would live separately but share a bed, kitchen and living room when it suited, a relationship that sociologists call �living apart together�.

By the late 1990s, these relationships had developed to include informal �families� that could include former boyfriends or girlfriends, supportive siblings and children from former heterosexual relationships. Children from surrogacy or informal insemination between gays and lesbians became more common in the early 2000s.

North American sociologist Martha Fowlkes called these gay rebels �marriage non-conformists�. Others argued that the push for same-sex marriage is having a �mainstreaming� effect on gays and lesbians, that is, that they are being turned into �pseudo straights�.

Gay marriage would suit propertied gays and social conservatives who want the security of marriage for their relationships. It would also suit gay religious observers who want to make peace with their church and vicar or synagogue and Rabbi and be accepted by them. Maintaining gay relationships without church or state sanction takes courage and perseverance.

Marriage and children may appeal to young gay men because the alternative is to place their trust in community organisations and the social practices of the gay world. These are not always uniform or supportive. For example, I have argued that bars and clubs are the only safe space for gay men to congregate and socialise in large numbers. Many of the young men I spoke to, however, complained of the impoverished relationships gay men formed there.

Parental approval can matter as much for young gays as it does for young straights and anecdotal evidence I heard while interviewing gay men of all ages suggested that for some young gay men marriage would ensure their parents� approval. 22-year-old Zane (pseudonym) from Melbourne wanted to mimic his parents� successful marriage of 30 years: "I want to have a really hetero life and � have children and � build a family and those kind of things with my partner and look forward to doing that � and I�d love to � grow old with someone."

He justified his views as a more wholesome lifestyle than he had observed in clubs and bars where in his view drug taking and casual sex were commonplace.

Others spoke of benefits relating to property and estate planning. Garth (psuedonym) a 23-year-old university student from Melbourne, told me, "I can see like the benefits for like tax purposes and division of estate and stuff if someone dies so that makes it completely understandable as to why you would want to [get married]."

Other research shows that young gay men under 30 almost uniformly support gay marriage as a right or because, like their straight brothers and sisters, they want to mark and celebrate the success of their relationship achievement.

It is not clear what effect same-sex marriage would have on gay people and the gay world. My suspicion is that its effect would be conservative. This could explain why it has the support of some religious figures and conservative commentators. Prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said many people would vote for same-sex marriage because �they believe the right to marry is a conservative ideal as much as any other conservative principle�.

Should same-sex marriage be approved, the fear among radical queers is that it would become the gold standard for same-sex relationships and other relationship styles would be regarded as less worthy.

This is about more than marriage. My latest research shows that gay men aged 60 and over had a strong propensity not to stop working after retirement and to have poorly planned superannuation. These men told me they used work to keep retirement boredom at bay. Poorly-planned super is also a feature of Baby Boomers and of some men living with HIV.

I interviewed four older men living with HIV. Two had made careful plans for their old age while the other two had not, saying that because of their HIV they had not expected to live to old age. In contrast, many young gay men knew about and were interested in old-age planning.

Because gay social spaces and practices valorize youthfulness, they can serve to propagate ageist beliefs. Some young gay men I interviewed said that older gays were only permitted to share their social spaces if they were youthful. Some also said gay men of the Baby Boomer generation had brought HIV/AIDS on themselves.

Others however lamented the absence of non-sexualised social settings where different generations could socialise and exchange experiences.

If more young gay men embrace a �pseudo straight� identity through marriage and children, it is likely older men will continue to be marginalised along with their views and beliefs about relationships and family. It is refreshing to know, however, that some young gays have a real interest in speaking to and learning from older gays and their lived experience.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:45

AgentF: May 11, 2009

the old ceremony posted:

based on this threads' information i have decided to join the greens

Congratulations on supporting the only party who gives a meaningful gently caress about climate change, housing affordability and treating asylum seekers like actual human beings. Also supporters of marriage equality long before the major two thought it was finally safe to climb on board (and one of them still hasn't, really).

# ? Nov 6, 2017 10:49

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Lid posted:

"I don�t for the life of me understand why the gay community has decided to emulate an institution that doesn�t work for even straight people � It is laughable."

This is what a 59-year-old black gay activist in Los Angeles told me of his views on same-sex marriage. He is typical of many older gay men who are bemused by the younger generation�s desire for marriage, reflecting the radically different experiences of those who grew up in far more restrictive and intolerant decades.

We know that generally older Australians are less supportive of same-sex marriage. In 2013, I interviewed a small international sample of men as part of my research on sexuality and ageing. Most of the men over 50 were dubious, if not opposed, to gay marriage, while most of those under 30 were supportive. While these results may not apply directly to Australia in 2017, they are indicative of a generational divide between young and old gay men.

These older men have largely remained silent in the current same-sex marriage debate. I suspect this is because they do not want to be accused of betraying their own kind or exhibiting �internalised homophobia�, which for decades has been the accusation hurled at gay people who do not conform to the prescribed norms of the sub-culture.

It is vital that we listen to their perspectives, because older gay men are an already marginalised group, experiencing greater financial and social insecurity than younger men. We must ensure that same-sex marriage should it be legalised does not further sideline their experiences.

One aspect of same-sex marriage that could confuse older gay men, and possibly also lesbians, is that it is at odds with beliefs they might have formed when they were young. In the early 1970s, feminists and gay liberationists asked their followers to think about how to liberate their own needs from the constraints of family, and experiment with alternative forms of intimate relationships, very different to the idea of nuclear family: heterosexual married parents with biological children.

In the early days, these relationships were as simple as two men regarding themselves as an item. The acknowledgement of friends, and sometimes siblings and parents, was enough public acceptance. Often these men would live separately but share a bed, kitchen and living room when it suited, a relationship that sociologists call �living apart together�.

By the late 1990s, these relationships had developed to include informal �families� that could include former boyfriends or girlfriends, supportive siblings and children from former heterosexual relationships. Children from surrogacy or informal insemination between gays and lesbians became more common in the early 2000s.

North American sociologist Martha Fowlkes called these gay rebels �marriage non-conformists�. Others argued that the push for same-sex marriage is having a �mainstreaming� effect on gays and lesbians, that is, that they are being turned into �pseudo straights�.

Gay marriage would suit propertied gays and social conservatives who want the security of marriage for their relationships. It would also suit gay religious observers who want to make peace with their church and vicar or synagogue and Rabbi and be accepted by them. Maintaining gay relationships without church or state sanction takes courage and perseverance.

Marriage and children may appeal to young gay men because the alternative is to place their trust in community organisations and the social practices of the gay world. These are not always uniform or supportive. For example, I have argued that bars and clubs are the only safe space for gay men to congregate and socialise in large numbers. Many of the young men I spoke to, however, complained of the impoverished relationships gay men formed there.

Parental approval can matter as much for young gays as it does for young straights and anecdotal evidence I heard while interviewing gay men of all ages suggested that for some young gay men marriage would ensure their parents� approval. 22-year-old Zane (pseudonym) from Melbourne wanted to mimic his parents� successful marriage of 30 years: "I want to have a really hetero life and � have children and � build a family and those kind of things with my partner and look forward to doing that � and I�d love to � grow old with someone."

He justified his views as a more wholesome lifestyle than he had observed in clubs and bars where in his view drug taking and casual sex were commonplace.

Others spoke of benefits relating to property and estate planning. Garth (psuedonym) a 23-year-old university student from Melbourne, told me, "I can see like the benefits for like tax purposes and division of estate and stuff if someone dies so that makes it completely understandable as to why you would want to [get married]."

Other research shows that young gay men under 30 almost uniformly support gay marriage as a right or because, like their straight brothers and sisters, they want to mark and celebrate the success of their relationship achievement.

It is not clear what effect same-sex marriage would have on gay people and the gay world. My suspicion is that its effect would be conservative. This could explain why it has the support of some religious figures and conservative commentators. Prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said many people would vote for same-sex marriage because �they believe the right to marry is a conservative ideal as much as any other conservative principle�.

Should same-sex marriage be approved, the fear among radical queers is that it would become the gold standard for same-sex relationships and other relationship styles would be regarded as less worthy.

This is about more than marriage. My latest research shows that gay men aged 60 and over had a strong propensity not to stop working after retirement and to have poorly planned superannuation. These men told me they used work to keep retirement boredom at bay. Poorly-planned super is also a feature of Baby Boomers and of some men living with HIV.

I interviewed four older men living with HIV. Two had made careful plans for their old age while the other two had not, saying that because of their HIV they had not expected to live to old age. In contrast, many young gay men knew about and were interested in old-age planning.

Because gay social spaces and practices valorize youthfulness, they can serve to propagate ageist beliefs. Some young gay men I interviewed said that older gays were only permitted to share their social spaces if they were youthful. Some also said gay men of the Baby Boomer generation had brought HIV/AIDS on themselves.

Others however lamented the absence of non-sexualised social settings where different generations could socialise and exchange experiences.

If more young gay men embrace a �pseudo straight� identity through marriage and children, it is likely older men will continue to be marginalised along with their views and beliefs about relationships and family. It is refreshing to know, however, that some young gays have a real interest in speaking to and learning from older gays and their lived experience.

I'm gay.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 11:31

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

australia is great

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-06/tip-top-accused-of-pushing-bread-truck-drivers-to-breaking-point/9122426?sf147218670=1

quote:

Tip Top accused of pushing bread delivery drivers to breaking point
7.30 By Elise Worthington and Alex McDonald
Updated about 3 hours ago

Tip Top delivery drivers in New South Wales claim it is only a matter of time before a serious accident takes place, saying pay cuts are leading to fatigue and some contractors are driving vehicles that are not roadworthy.

Key points:

Tip Top delivery drivers say their pay has been cut and their trucks are not always roadworthy

A legal loophole prevents bread delivery drivers from accessing Industrial Relations Commission

NSW Government says it is looking into the matter

Graeme Wong was on his daily bread delivery run last year when he said he "hit rock bottom".

He had worked a staggering 15 weeks in a row with just two days off. He was mentally and physically exhausted.

"I was sitting in the carpark, in the truck, at 3 o'clock in the morning at Hungry Jacks making a delivery, just sitting there contemplating what I was even doing," he said.

"I didn't know what to do. I called Lifeline."

Mr Wong's business delivering Tip Top bread was going backwards. He said he couldn't afford a relief driver to help cover the run.

"In seven years the money went down by $1,000 a week but the cost, everything goes up � the price of tyres, servicing, fuel, wages, insurance, everything goes up.

"It got to the stage where I had nothing left so I just had to give my notice and had to sell the truck."

Tip Top driver Mark Goldfinch said he is worried his business is not sustainable either.

"Go back about 10 years, I was delivering about 10,000 to 11,000 units a week on $3,400. Now I'm close to 18, 19, 20,000 for an average pay of $2,900," he said.

He said Tip Top could not explain why.

"You can ask that question as many times as you like, there's no answer," he said.

Tip Top told drivers the internal cost model used to calculate weekly earnings is "intellectual property" and not available for external use, and they should seek independent financial advice.

As independent contractors running their own businesses, it's up to drivers to negotiate individual contracts.

If they don't like the deal they have few avenues of appeal because of an antiquated provision in the NSW Industrial Relations Act.

In the 1950s when bread, milk and cream delivery was considered an essential community service, legislation was created to exclude them from accessing the NSW Industrial Relations Commission.

"So they sit in a regulatory black hole and are really only able to negotiate what they can negotiate," said Alex Grayson, industrial relations principal at law firm Maurice Blackburn.

"They're essentially unregulated."

'I'm afraid someone will die'

Paul Clapson, who has been a Tip Top owner-driver for almost a decade, said the impact on the drivers was not just financial.

"There's also the major safety issue. Because we aren't getting paid what we probably should be, your maintenance goes on your truck, you become a problem out on the road.

"There are a lot of contractors who are scared to speak out," he told 7.30.

"We have trucks going out there that cannot be roadworthy.

"It seems to be ignored by Tip Top. The whole chain of responsibility seems to be put on us."

Owner-driver John Kiernan took on an additional delivery run for Tip Top this year.

He said the run had not reached the estimated earnings figures Tip Top provided to him.

"I'm just trying to dig myself out of a hole really and it just seems to be getting bigger and bigger," he said.

"The feeling in your guts, the knots and panic attacks I get � it's like a heart burn � just a really terrible feeling.

"I just don't want this to happen to anyone else because I'm afraid that someone will die eventually.

"Someone will either be on the road and lose their life or through stress or something else."

Calls to amend Industrial Relations Act

NSW Labor MP Greg Warren is calling on the State Government to change the Industrial Relations Act to allow bread truck drivers to access the Industrial Relations Commission.

"Owner-drivers and contractors delivering bread deserve the same rights and conditions as drivers delivering any other kind of product," he told 7.30.

"It goes right to the core of a fair day's work for a fair day's pay.

"This isn't a complex amendment that's required" he said.

A spokesperson for Industrial Relations Minister and Treasurer, Dominic Perrottet, said the Government was considering the issue.

"Following representations on behalf of affected workers, the Treasurer asked NSW Industrial Relations to explore options to address the issues raised, including the possibility of legislative amendment," the spokesperson said.

In a statement Tip Top told 7.30 contracts with drivers are "commercial in confidence" but "the rates are designed to ensure that owner operators receive in excess of any applicable rate payable under the Road Transport and Distribution Award 2010".

The company said it prioritises the health and safety of drivers and complies "with the Government's strict regulation covering fatigue management for heavy vehicles".

It said owner/operators are responsible for the service and maintenance of their vehicles but the company conducts random roadworthiness checks.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 12:03

racing identity: Apr 5, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Nationalise the bread

# ? Nov 6, 2017 12:09

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

no, the companies will do the right thing if we just remove legislation that is holding them back

# ? Nov 6, 2017 12:34

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

racing identity posted:

Nationalise the bread

Sounds like they need to unionise and set some minimum conditions to me

# ? Nov 6, 2017 12:34

MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

They shouldn't even need that. Why the gently caress isn't WorkSafe empowered to bring down the hammer here.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 12:39

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

hiddenmovement posted:

Maybe Turnbull reckons the right wing backbench has the most number of dual citizens

Holy poo poo - what if that's it?

What if Turnbull has deliberately chosen to gently caress his party up the arse because he knows the majority of the ones who will get the boot are the ones working against him?

So, the question becomes - would an Australian Liberal Party politician willingly sabotage their own tenuous Prime Ministership at the next election and their party's majority right now in order to hold their position as party leader for a potential future run at PM with a LNP cleansed-by-fire of its worst right wing, pro-Abbott elements?

If so, that would have to be the single most cold blooded move I've seen in Australian politics since Julie Bishop unhinged her jaw and ate a live rat in the caucus room that one time.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 14:19

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Gorilla Salad posted:

Holy poo poo - what if that's it?

What if Turnbull has deliberately chosen to gently caress his party up the arse because he knows the majority of the ones who will get the boot are the ones working against him?

So, the question becomes - would an Australian Liberal Party politician willingly sabotage their own tenuous Prime Ministership at the next election and their party's majority right now in order to hold their position as party leader for a potential future run at PM with a LNP cleansed-by-fire of its worst right wing, pro-Abbott elements?

If so, that would have to be the single most cold blooded move I've seen in Australian politics since Julie Bishop unhinged her jaw and ate a live rat in the caucus room that one time.

There is literally nothing to suggest that any member of the LNP, particularly Turnbull, has the imagination to come up with such a plan, or the competence to carry it out.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 14:22

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Yeah this is a serious Hanlon’s Razor situation.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 14:44

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Turnbull is holding onto his position by the molecules on the edge of his fingernails, he's not going to survive losing an election.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 14:57

hiddenmovement: Sep 29, 2011; "Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

Don Dongington posted:

Yeah this is a serious Hanlon’s Razor situation.

'I'm burning this joint down on the way out' survives the razor I'm afraid

# ? Nov 6, 2017 16:51

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Don Dongington posted:

Yeah this is a serious Hanlon’s Razor situation.

Laura Tingle was suggesting that perhaps the Right would happily destroy the party to get what they want on Late Night Live. We're all thinking that but hearing it out loud from a CPG journalist is extraordinary.

On the other hand the Two Grumpy Hacks don't think the electorate give a poo poo about this "technicality" and are tired of the coverage.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 17:05

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The shockwaves would have been felt around the world over the weekend when billionaire investor Prince Alwaleed bin Talal was among a clutch of Saudi princes and ministers arrested in the kingdom.

And the real impact of the arrests could hit a very well-known former Aussie next week.

Prince Alwaleed has stakes in many prominent global companies, but none are more important than his crucial stash of voting stock at Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox.

The saga took another twist overnight, with CNBC reporting that 21st Century Fox had held talks over selling most of the company to Disney. According to sources, the two parties spoke in recent weeks but talks are now dead.

Prince Alwaleed's voting stake has made the Murdoch family's position at both News Corp, and its more lucrative spin-off, 21st Century Fox, impregnable.

The Murdoch family's control of the company is not quite assured with its 38 per cent stash of voting stock, which dwarfs its economic interest of only 14 per cent.

But add in the Prince's stake and the family could weather severe storms such as the UK phone hacking scandal without having to make too many concessions to other investors.

But then things changed for News Corp.

Three years ago the Murdochs came within a few million votes – a wafer thin margin by corporate standards – of their fellow shareholders voting to unwind its dual class share structure, which allows the Murdochs to control the company via their tight grip on the voting stock.

A massive 47.4 per cent of votes cast supported a proposal to eliminate the company's dual-class share structure, which, had it passed, would have unlocked the Murdochs' iron grip on the company.

How did this happen with the Prince by Rupert's side?

It later emerged that the Prince had sold almost all of his News Corp shares, making Murdoch vulnerable to other investors for the first time.

Now it just happens that 21st Century Fox is holding its annual shareholder meeting next Thursday, and one of the items on the agenda is a vote to unwind the dual class share structure.

As of December 31, 2015, Prince Alwaleed's group owned 5 per cent of 21st Century Fox.

If the Prince no longer controls this stake, or has not voted on it yet, the voting result could be cataclysmic for Rupert.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 21:22

Dimebag: Jul 12, 2004

please happen.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 22:21

AgentF: May 11, 2009

Oh good

# ? Nov 6, 2017 22:29

aejix: Sep 18, 2007; It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim; Pillbug

Next Thursday as in 9th November 2017?

# ? Nov 6, 2017 22:55

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

What are the odds today that a horse will be killed because horse racing is still culturally acceptable in 2017

# ? Nov 6, 2017 23:00

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Starshark posted:

I'll admit I'm a bit confused here, because when I was overseas I wasn't subject to Australian laws as far as I was aware, I was subject to the laws of the UAE, the UK and Ireland. Now, I'm not an international lawyer so I could well be wrong. Can you give an instance where an overseas law would affect a dual citizen in Australia?

It depends, did the courthouse flags have a gold trim?

# ? Nov 6, 2017 23:09

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

MikeJF posted:

They shouldn't even need that. Why the gently caress isn't WorkSafe empowered to bring down the hammer here.

quote:

In the 1950s when bread, milk and cream delivery was considered an essential community service, legislation was created to exclude them from accessing the NSW Industrial Relations Commission.

"So they sit in a regulatory black hole and are really only able to negotiate what they can negotiate," said Alex Grayson, industrial relations principal at law firm Maurice Blackburn.

"They're essentially unregulated."

Kinda loving ridiculous.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 23:12

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Zenithe posted:

What are the odds today that a horse will be killed because horse racing is still culturally acceptable in 2017

Oh no not a horse.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 23:14

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Zenithe posted:

What are the odds today that a horse will be killed because horse racing is still culturally acceptable in 2017

9/2, hopefully after it jumps into the crowd on a rampage

# ? Nov 6, 2017 23:23

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I hear you can hollow out a horse and fill it with explosives, we should definitely ban them.

# ? Nov 6, 2017 23:39

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