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HiHo ChiRho posted:Flamboyant Schemers Flamboyant Schemers EUIV sucked
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Nov 6, 2017 08:39
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I think it was probably the constant gigantic custom event rebel stacks that caused the problems actually. The AI isn't so bad that it can't beat a human player who also has to fight off 10 times their force limits in rebels every time the thread makes a bad decision.
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Nov 6, 2017 10:33
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RabidWeasel posted:I think it was probably the constant gigantic custom event rebel stacks that caused the problems actually. The AI isn't so bad that it can't beat a human player who also has to fight off 10 times their force limits in rebels every time the thread makes a bad decision. Seriously? No, it was entirely the thread’s fault. Our army size was almost 90k and our force limit was 115k before all this went down (not to mention me having a hefty enough treasury), whilst the rebels were pretty much never larger than 50k, which I purposely did to ensure they would manageable unless something went very wrong. The thread going nuts was what did it, dragging us into the Internal Conflicts Disaster (which is vanilla), which fires an event that massively lowered our autonomy 3 or 4 times, which pretty much destroyed our force limit. To add to that, most rebel stacks are wiped out if you defeat them in one battle, so it would’ve been easy to crush them under normal circumstances. This was absolutely the threads fault, for assuming that bankrupting the nation and rebelling against the government would fire the Revolution without any caveats.
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Nov 6, 2017 11:40
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I think rabidweasel was talking about flamboyant schemers, though I wouldn't know because I didn't read it.
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Nov 6, 2017 11:44
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Everyone loves a good comeback story...
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Nov 6, 2017 11:53
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I imagine the Maijis aren't going to have much power in the coming updates (neither will anyone else of course).
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Nov 6, 2017 13:16
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Andalusia, partitioned between France, Morocco and the Celtic Empire.
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Nov 6, 2017 15:00
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Hashim posted:Seriously? No, it was entirely the thread’s fault. Our army size was almost 90k and our force limit was 115k before all this went down (not to mention me having a hefty enough treasury), whilst the rebels were pretty much never larger than 50k, which I purposely did to ensure they would manageable unless something went very wrong. The thread going nuts was what did it, dragging us into the Internal Conflicts Disaster (which is vanilla), which fires an event that massively lowered our autonomy 3 or 4 times, which pretty much destroyed our force limit. To add to that, most rebel stacks are wiped out if you defeat them in one battle, so it would’ve been easy to crush them under normal circumstances. pobody's nerfect?
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Nov 6, 2017 15:07
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The thread made a couple really big mistakes over its run. Antagonizing the Celts and Moroccans being two big ones.
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Nov 6, 2017 16:00
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We're hosed. We've reached the century where every Great power is conquering minor nations (the part of EUIV I hate) and look who borders us on both sides!
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Nov 6, 2017 16:40
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Can we please get some custom events that will make reunifying just slightly easier? For the sake of the narrative? We entirely deserve this outcome, but drat, I hope that we didn't end our own relevance.
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Nov 6, 2017 18:23
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Snipee posted:Can we please get some custom events that will make reunifying just slightly easier? For the sake of the narrative? We entirely deserve this outcome, but drat, I hope that we didn't end our own relevance. All the southern taifas (Cadiz, Toledo, Granada and Cordoba) claim to be the legitimate government of Al-Andalus. Some kind of custom CB on each other could work.
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Nov 6, 2017 18:25
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Hashim posted:Seriously? No, it was entirely the thread’s fault. Our army size was almost 90k and our force limit was 115k before all this went down (not to mention me having a hefty enough treasury), whilst the rebels were pretty much never larger than 50k, which I purposely did to ensure they would manageable unless something went very wrong. The thread going nuts was what did it, dragging us into the Internal Conflicts Disaster (which is vanilla), which fires an event that massively lowered our autonomy 3 or 4 times, which pretty much destroyed our force limit. To add to that, most rebel stacks are wiped out if you defeat them in one battle, so it would’ve been easy to crush them under normal circumstances. I actually referring to the previous civil war which was when things started to get really hosed, perhaps it's the wrong perception from reading the LP but it seemed like that was when you started to have serious problems because it gave the AI time to catch up (and probably put you hugely behind the curve in terms of buildings, but again, it's impossible to tell just from a few screenshots). Though obviously getting tons of autonomy in all your provinces ruined everything and you're probably never supposed to actually chose that event option.
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Nov 6, 2017 18:28
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Snipee posted:Can we please get some custom events that will make reunifying just slightly easier? For the sake of the narrative? We entirely deserve this outcome, but drat, I hope that we didn't end our own relevance. Confederated States of Al Andalus. Qadis will rise again!
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Nov 6, 2017 18:29
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Jeoh posted:Confederated States of Al Andalus. Qadis will rise again! 
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Nov 6, 2017 18:36
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Moroccan Iberia  EDIT: Also, it is no loving wonder things go the way they go when half the thread basically goes  and expect us to just  through it. That's like trying to lose weight by cutting off your leg.
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Nov 6, 2017 18:41
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don't worry, im sure that we're just one garibaldi away from turning things around. france and morocco don't stand a chance against al-andalus's ingenuity and propensity for destruction.
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Nov 6, 2017 18:50
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Anyone else get the feeling we're gonna end EU4 with the map of Iberia looking like it did at the beginning of CK2?
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Nov 6, 2017 18:53
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Did someone say Iberian Sengoku? Too bad that the rebels broke off clean, would be entertaining to see this resolved with Daimyo mechanics.
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Nov 6, 2017 19:18
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Everybody is panicking but frankly i thought this was all awesome.
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Nov 6, 2017 19:31
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Frionnel posted:Everybody is panicking but frankly i thought this was all awesome. Same. This is a novel situation for an lp, no regrets from me.
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Nov 6, 2017 19:34
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Did we wind up strangling the industrial revolution in its infancy or did enough people pick up on it before we decided to  ?
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Nov 6, 2017 19:59
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Grizzwold posted:Did we wind up strangling the industrial revolution in its infancy or did enough people pick up on it before we decided to I do wonder what this will do to the Enlightenment, since we discredited parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy in their infancy
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Nov 6, 2017 20:07
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If nothign else, we sure as gently caress discredited accelerationism.
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Nov 6, 2017 20:21
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Is Portugal Catholic? Because that would be some bullshit.
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Nov 6, 2017 20:37
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Yvonmukluk posted:If nothign else, we sure as gently caress discredited accelerationism. no it wazh the heretical zhultan
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Nov 6, 2017 20:45
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Yeah we pretty much just pulled a Revolutionary France except instead of suicide by going to war with everyone we put a gun to our head daring people to invade for our land.
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Nov 6, 2017 20:53
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RabidWeasel posted:Though obviously getting tons of autonomy in all your provinces ruined everything and you're probably never supposed to actually chose that event option. I mean -5 diprep isn't great, but way better than 15 autonomy in every single province
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Nov 6, 2017 21:37
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RabidWeasel posted:I actually referring to the previous civil war which was when things started to get really hosed, perhaps it's the wrong perception from reading the LP but it seemed like that was when you started to have serious problems because it gave the AI time to catch up (and probably put you hugely behind the curve in terms of buildings, but again, it's impossible to tell just from a few screenshots). Though obviously getting tons of autonomy in all your provinces ruined everything and you're probably never supposed to actually chose that event option. Ah, in that case I do kinda agree, I might've overdid it a bit on those rebellions. But it was still definitely possible to recover from that, especially when we were at the beginning of the Golden Age. It was one of the reasons I curbed in the size of all the revolts since then though. hashashash fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Nov 6, 2017 |
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Nov 6, 2017 21:52
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sheep-dodger posted:For real, why would you ever chose the autonomy option? Especially because chosing the other option stops the event from triggering. It doesn't make sense if you're choosing the best option for the game, yeah, but I'm still roleplaying sultans and the Majlis' policies. So obviously, with war and revolts raging all around the sultan, his main focus would still be on the war. I did the same for a lot of similar events, where the worse option (or not-as-good, but still not bad option) was chosen simply because it makes more sense narratively.
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Nov 6, 2017 21:53
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Hashim posted:It doesn't make sense if you're choosing the best option for the game, yeah, but I'm still roleplaying sultans and the Majlis' policies. So obviously, with war and revolts raging all around the sultan, his main focus would still be on the war. I did the same for a lot of similar events, where the worse option (or not-as-good, but still not bad option) was chosen simply because it makes more sense narratively. 
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Nov 6, 2017 22:02
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Yeah this sucks, but we could legit turn this around. The question is whether our tolerance is going to bite us in the rear end--did we build enough of an Andalusian identity for nationalism to kick in a couple decades, or did we let enough differences linger?
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Nov 6, 2017 22:31
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Which of the countries has the Yazidi in them? They're the one I'd be betting on.punched my v-card at camp posted:Yeah this sucks, but we could legit turn this around. The question is whether our tolerance is going to bite us in the rear end--did we build enough of an Andalusian identity for nationalism to kick in a couple decades, or did we let enough differences linger? All the northern christian Iberian kingdoms still have their religion's (mostly) as well as there cultures, and they were given protected status, some were only just recently conquered. They will definitely see themselves as their own nations.
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Nov 6, 2017 22:40
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One of the bigger things that seemed to screw us was not being able to convert provinces. Having to deal with constant rebellions in the middle of all of our wars was a pretty big deal.
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Nov 6, 2017 23:04
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Flavius Belisarius posted:One of the bigger things that seemed to screw us was not being able to convert provinces. Having to deal with constant rebellions in the middle of all of our wars was a pretty big deal. I seem to recall we even stopped converting a province just because of faction shifting. Like that was probably the biggest waste of resources; partial conversion =/= conversion.
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Nov 6, 2017 23:10
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Flavius Belisarius posted:One of the bigger things that seemed to screw us was not being able to convert provinces. Having to deal with constant rebellions in the middle of all of our wars was a pretty big deal. Did what I could. 
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Nov 6, 2017 23:15
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There are no good votes or bad votes, simply votes that continue the ever-evolving narrative of goon LPs
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Nov 6, 2017 23:17
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:There are no good votes or bad votes, simply votes that continue the ever-evolving narrative of goon LPs All goon LP votes are bad, hth. Name me one of these LPs where goons didn't gently caress everything up royally.
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Nov 6, 2017 23:38
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PopeLP. But then, there were only like two votes in PopeLP.
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Nov 6, 2017 23:41
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Flavius Belisarius posted:One of the bigger things that seemed to screw us was not being able to convert provinces. Having to deal with constant rebellions in the middle of all of our wars was a pretty big deal. We have the humanist idea group. Andalus was as stable and unlikely to rebel as you can reasonably get. All bets are off when you get into a disaster though.
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