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Roth posted:Morrison also has a good run on JLA that's worth checking out. Kurt Busiek's Avengers is a classic, Geoff Johns on Teen Titans is a bit more approachable than New Teen Titans for somebody not used to older comics yet, and the Abnett Guardians of the Galaxy has some pretty good stuff in it. They're all good, but a lot of them are things I think you'd recommend who's already on board with superhero comics. I think Morrison JLA, for instance, presumes familiarity with all sorts of Fourth World stuff, and it has this decent-sized stretch where Superman is Superman Blue, then in another issue he isn't any more, because that's what was happening in the Superman comics at the time and there's not really any explanation for it in the JLA issues themselves. Geoff Johns on Teen Titans, likewise, ties in a bunch with other books and crossovers and particularly Infinite Crisis - there's a couple of issues which might as well be issues of Infinite Crisis. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I think it relies too much on DC comics minutiae to be approachable, at least compared with New Teen Titans.
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That is true. Admittedly, I've never let things like "Wow, i have no idea what the backstory here is" bother me too much, so I tend to forget that aspect of things with recommending comics.
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Oct 30, 2017 23:19
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Sure, it doesn't bother me overmuch either, but I'm mindful that they said it's something that's put them off comics, so I thought I'd mention it.
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My bad, I missed that.
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Oct 31, 2017 01:50
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Walt Simonson's run on Thor I would recommend also would recommend The Sandman though that isn't a superhero comic even though DC characters do show up early in its run.
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Image and Dark Horse comics might be a good suggestion. There are enough distinct original series, and you can actually begin from issue #1 like it's a normal publication! Some Vertigo series also fit that bill but those tend to be a bit on the gritty side. I'd suggest Valiant too, but despite it getting a recent reboot it'd still be costly to purchase everything althought there are a great deal of issues under the Comixology Unlimited service, if it still interests you. I've read some of them in another digital distributor and they're entertaining enough. Here's a reading guide to make things simpler.
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Oct 31, 2017 02:00
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There is something to be said about stories that end in their own due time instead of being artificially extended long past the point when the creator is sick of it, or works that keep on coming up with some new twist so that they can extend their plot indefinitely while technically the overarching plot moves at a glacial pace. Marvel and DC have a lot more flexibility.
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TFRazorsaw posted:sure but you'd think they'd make a new lighter and softer Batman now that Adam is gone or something instead of going back to the well like this I am not going to complain about the best Batman cartoon getting another shot after being unjustly canceled.
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HIJK posted:You're not being unfair. There's a massive difference between western comics and manga, the serialized manga is just part of it. I will say the first time I started laying attention to comics for real it baffled me why the authors couldn't keep their poo poo together for longer than a few issues at a time. Nothing matters and everything is so different from issue to issue that continuity is a laugh riot. There is no serialized story telling in superhero comics except Claremont's X-Men. It was especially irksome since at the time I was getting into manga on the scanslations sites. Most of it was trashy pulp, but each author could pretty much do their own thing. I really appreciated that since it made the stories self contained from each other, and had a built in acceptance that each series would eventually end somehow. Whether those endings are satisfying or not is kind of a crap shoot, but almost all the series's have a definitive beginning middle and end. DC and Marvel on the other hand are in the business of selling the same characters forever, and they're shackled to their conceit of a shared universe, so nothing too disruptive can happen in any book. Like, imagine a DC author came up with the idea to have a Death Note type villain fighting Batman. However interesting (your mileage might vary) a concept that might be to explore, the author would be hamstrung by the need to not affect what's happening in Superman or any of the other titles. Not that this hypothetical story couldn't be done, but it would be much more limited in scope than if the Batman book was self contained. There's also the problem that the characters need to be maintained more or less in a steady state, since the companies intend to published them forever. For my way of looking at things, this really limits the story potential, and isn't very interesting long term since the character's must have minimal growth or change. All in all it just the lack of variety and eternal sameness in super hero comics eventually just made me get bored with them. Comparing them to manga accelerated that, but only because it made the flaws I already disliked more glaring. Wheat Loaf posted:If you're looking for a superhero comic that's sort of like manga, inasmuch as it is a continuing series by a single creative team which seldom retcons anything and doesn't become bogged down in crossovers... I guess you might give Invincible a try?
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I don't know how to articulate it, but it really doesn't feel like comics are getting a fair shake in this conversation. Cape comics are good 
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SonicRulez posted:I don't know how to articulate it, but it really doesn't feel like comics are getting a fair shake in this conversation. Cape comics are good Cape comics can be good. Very few of the current crop are good and it's hard to make cape recommendations to someone who prefers serialized storytelling. All in all I prefer adaptations to comics to comics themselves which brings us full circle in this thread! The best superhero cartoon is of course Superman TAS. Fite me.
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Serialised storytelling is overrated in any event. There's nothing wrong with it but it isn't the be-all and end-all - sometimes you want to be able to drop in and out and not feel too lost rather than having to go to the very beginning and start from there.
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Just to dip back into the notion of heavy continuity being a bar for new readers or enjoyment. I gave my 11 and 9 year old nephews a copy of Geoff Johns pre Flashpoint, post Rebirth series. (The Dastardly Death of the Rogues.) Continuity wise a lot hinges on how Barry Allen died in Crissis on Infinite Was the, came back to life during Final Crisis and how his world had moved on. Regardless, my nephews loved it. They thought it was so cool, and I plan in getting them more Flash stories to read. In summary, kids love comics. Also the news about the return of Batman Brave and the Bold is very heartening. Who knows what we might get earlier.
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Galvanik posted:DC and Marvel on the other hand are in the business of selling the same characters forever, and they're shackled to their conceit of a shared universe, so nothing too disruptive can happen in any book. Like, imagine a DC author came up with the idea to have a Death Note type villain fighting Batman. However interesting (your mileage might vary) a concept that might be to explore, the author would be hamstrung by the need to not affect what's happening in Superman or any of the other titles. Not that this hypothetical story couldn't be done, but it would be much more limited in scope than if the Batman book was self contained.
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HIJK posted:All in all I prefer adaptations to comics to comics themselves which brings us full circle in this thread! The best superhero cartoon is of course Superman TAS. Fite me. My man 
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Claremont's 70s/80s run on X-Men is so good for so long and it's a super bummer when it runs up against Secret Wars II, things get weird for a few issues, and you can sense the omen of the big crossover event bonanza that will eventually consume these characters. Claremont's style is also more heavy on characterisation and drama and on making sure characters have texture in every issue than most modern comics. I share some of HIJK's complaints with the majority of cape stuff being printed - on a per issue basis you're just supposed to know what the cast's deal is and root for them without being told why. The classic X-Men run doesn't do that and I love it.
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Actually suggesting something written by Geoff Johns to someone trying to get into cape comics is an example of the kind of problem I mentioned in my earlier post.
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I think starting with series that are newer and collected as trades rather than individual issues helps. Ignore any "major events" or crossovers. Some of Marvel's recent series like Ms. Marvel, Patsy Walker AKA Hellcat, The Vision, Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and Hawkeye really stand out as ones that are more character-focused and don't require much continuity. Black Panther and its spinoffs can be a bit more dense but I still really enjoy them. DC's Batgirl of Burnside series from a few years back was a great option too, but overall I have a lot more trouble getting into DC's stuff for this reason. Valiant's Faith series is another great option. In general I wish the animation side of things would pull more from these type of stories, too.
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I can't help but feel there's a better thread for this discussion.
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Lurdiak posted:I can't help but feel there's a better thread for this discussion. I'm thinking of starting a thread about discussing people getting into comics, both trying to get into them and trying to get others into them
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I'd read it
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Lightning Lord posted:I'm thinking of starting a thread about discussing people getting into comics, both trying to get into them and trying to get others into them please link if you make it, I'd like to participate
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvi1bBBcAyc this is still one of the most emotional cape-related things that I've ever seen.
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Wheat Loaf posted:They're all good, but a lot of them are things I think you'd recommend who's already on board with superhero comics. I think Morrison JLA, for instance, presumes familiarity with all sorts of Fourth World stuff, and it has this decent-sized stretch where Superman is Superman Blue, then in another issue he isn't any more, because that's what was happening in the Superman comics at the time and there's not really any explanation for it in the JLA issues themselves. Identity Crisis.  HIJK posted:All in all I prefer adaptations to comics to comics themselves which brings us full circle in this thread! The best superhero cartoon is of course Superman TAS. Fite me. Only if the series was 3 seasons of "Apokolips...Now!" on repeat. TFRazorsaw posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvi1bBBcAyc Also, yes.
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HIJK posted:! The best superhero cartoon is of course Superman TAS. Fite me.
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I think the later seasons of Superman Show suffered from the gradula shift to digital animation that ultimately resulted in JLU's streamlined look, but that one episode where he fights some kind of alien colossus is gorgeous.
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Lurdiak posted:I think the later seasons of Superman Show suffered from the gradula shift to digital animation that ultimately resulted in JLU's streamlined look, but that one episode where he fights some kind of alien colossus is gorgeous. Are you referring to the ep "The Prometheon?" Because I highly agree with you.
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Casting Gilbert Gottfried as Mister Mxyzptlk was a masterstroke
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Lobo's VA was also perfect even though I'm blanking on who voiced him,
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Brad Garrett.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Brad Garrett. His IMDB is pretty loving stacked for someone who should be able to live off of Everybody Loves Raymond royalties forever.
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well, I mean, actors tend to act because they enjoy their craft
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TFRazorsaw posted:well, I mean, actors tend to act because they enjoy their craft That wasn't meant to be an insult, I just didn't connect the name to the face and when I googled I was impressed with his proliferation.
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I didn't think it was an insult, I'm just saying, that's why he still goes out for stuff.
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Brad Garrett should do a lot of voice acting gigs because nobody talks like Brad Garrett
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The voice acting is honestly strong across the board. Their versions of Lex, Clark, and Lois are all as much what I hear in my head as Hamill or Conroy's voices are.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The voice acting is honestly strong across the board. Their versions of Lex, Clark, and Lois are all as much what I hear in my head as Hamill or Conroy's voices are. At least 80% of the reason I don't like JLU as much as everyone else is that they didn't bring back the dude from Wings for Superman.
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Skwirl posted:His IMDB is pretty loving stacked for someone who should be able to live off of Everybody Loves Raymond royalties forever. Here he is in one of his first gigs: 
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The only VA improvement I can think of offhand is Orion, who was voiced by one of the gladiators from the Star Trek episode with the quatloos in Superman and Ron Perlman in Justice League.Mister Kingdom posted:Here he is in one of his first gigs: Jeff Lynne Man posts ELO trivia fact 
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