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Wirth1000 posted:Even a midfield ride in F1 will net him more cash than his entire time in IndyCar so far and then he'd definitely be set for life. Then you run into what I call the "Bill Belichick question": "You can go to that team, get a lot of money, but you may not have a good shot at a championship. Or, you can sign here, have a really good shot at a championship, and then go on to get paid. You decide." Mind you, that's within the same league, not two different ones like F1 or Indy, but the idea remains. Do you race for the best team on the grid, or do you go to midfield hell elsewhere? I don't doubt that he would impress over in F1, but the question is would anyone outside of a midfield team look at him?
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I've seen bigger surprises in F1. He's won the championship in IndyCar so in a way there's not much to really prove there. He'll always be welcomed back with open arms. I mean, yeah, Bourdais' time didn't exactly work at Toro Rosso but Bourdais had the magnificient luck of being paired with a certain Sebastian Vettel at the time. Plus from a marketing perspective a lot of these teams would love to have some dumb American on-board. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Liberty themselves pull strings to make sure Newgarden gets a decent ride.
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Well, as it stands right now, Toro Rosso, Williams, and Sauber have open seats for next season. I figure Gasly and Hartley are going to be at TR, Stroll likely for Williams paired with di Resta or Kubica, and Sauber wide open if Ferrari wants to turn it explicitly into a TR style arrangement. That's only two seats open and they're at Sauber, unless Williams wants to do something unexpected and tap Newgarden instead of those other two to go alongside Stroll. I still, to this date, wonder what would have happened if it was Scott Dixon duking it out with Vettel at Toro Rosso.
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Wirth1000 posted:Even a midfield ride in F1 will net him more cash than his entire time in IndyCar so far and then he'd definitely be set for life. I don't think thats really true anymore. Newgarden is probably making ~$2.5-3m or so a year on his Penske deal. According to this dumb thing thats probably wrong that I just googled, there are only 7 drivers in F1 making more than that. http://www.express.co.uk/pictures/sport/10931/F1-driver-salary-paid-most-sportgalleries/Esteban-Ocon-214651 I don't think he would go over there unless the salary was higher AND it was a front running car. Which because F1's power/money structure is comically broken, is pretty much the same thing anyway. Also hes got at least another year on his Penske deal, which there is a zero percent chance of him getting out of.
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A. He's too old. B. He won't get a shot in a top seat, so why bother?
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I love how Lance Stroll is just Unknown. Lance Stroll: billionaire is more accurate. They're 100% pumping money INTO the team what kind of paycheque would compare to Lance's literal billions of dollars? I wouldn't expect Newgarden to break a contract with Penske to go over but I'd be very surprised if there weren't legitimate testing done during F1's winter season with Newgarden with an eye to a potential signing in the future.
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Part of me wonders how much Bourdais and, to a lesser extent, JPM soured teams to looking at the US open wheel series for potential talent. Bourdais, as mentioned, did run into Vettel, but JPM was a multiple race winner who decided to bail to NASCAR. The irony is now that Europeans are looking at the US ladder because it's a bit cheaper to get into and assures you move up a rung if you win it all, unlike the FIA ladder in which you may win F2, but you probably aren't getting an F1 ride unless you have all your ducks in a row prior.
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JPM was an incredible driver. If anything, Michael Andretti, Villeneuve, Zanardi part II, and Bourdais soured F1 on USOW drivers, not JPM. He did very well, and to be frank he was one of the first drivers in the post Senna period (the others being Raikkonen and Alonso) that could match Schumacher skill wise.
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Human Grand Prix posted:JPM was an incredible driver. If anything, Michael Andretti, Villeneuve, Zanardi part II, and Bourdais soured F1 on USOW drivers. Yeah, that's why I'm saying his impact was less than the others. I'm pretty sure on the right team he might have had a legit title shot. Or if he waited one more year to bail. Instead McLaren picked up Alonso and Hamilton in 2007 and we all know what happened from there.
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The only reason for Newgarden to go to F1 is cash unless he gets a top-tier ride (doubtful). When Roger picks drivers, he expects them to be around long term. There's no way Newgarden could go to F1 and ever be welcome back at Penske. And we all know who the #1 team is in the paddock. Newgarden literally has the best gig in North American racing for the rest of his career, why ruin it just to go run midpack at-best in F1 unless all he wants is cash and I don't peg Josef as that kind of person.
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da Matta was pretty unremarkable in F1 too, although that was probably a given when looking at how much money Toyota spent to be mediocre.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:da Matta was pretty unremarkable in F1 too, although that was probably a given when looking at how much money Toyota spent to be mediocre. Toyota ruined all the careers of anyone that raced for them in F1, lol.
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Wirth1000 posted:Toyota ruined all the careers of anyone that raced for them in F1, lol. Except Kobayashi. they're busy ruining his WEC run
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Fauxhawk Express posted:Except Kobayashi. lol they just threw in Kobayashi for the last 2 races they didn't give a gently caress at all then. Makes ya think.
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Cygni posted:I don't think thats really true anymore. Newgarden is probably making ~$2.5-3m or so a year on his Penske deal. According to this dumb thing thats probably wrong that I just googled, there are only 7 drivers in F1 making more than that. I think you are right. A top driver at CGR/Penske/Andretti-ish will make more money than anyone but those at the very top F1 teams. So it's a choice between money+wins/titles vs whatever just being in F1 is worth these days.
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F1 may provide a seat for a couple years. Racing for Roger Penske like this will provide a job for life, with chances to race in numerous series and, hey, at least in IndyCar for the next 12-15 years.
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You know what I want to see? Newgarden do double duty in May.
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loving Will Power: https://twitter.com/12WillPower/status/923559103418589185 I wonder where that name came from.
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http://www.racer.com/nascar/item/145324-marco-andretti-reveals-nascar-nugget-in-twitter-q-a https://twitter.com/MarcoAndretti/status/923687277791920128 Well.
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iospace posted:loving Will Power: They should be cockatoos.
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https://blackflag.jalopnik.com/what-108-years-of-repaving-looks-like-under-indianapoli-1820048121 They took a core sample of the IMS track, got all the way down to the sand below the bricks.
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The thread title has been answered: http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2017/11/01/josef-newgarden-to-run-champions-no-1-in-2018/
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Theris posted:The thread title has been answered: http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2017/11/01/josef-newgarden-to-run-champions-no-1-in-2018/ Spoiler https://twitter.com/Team_Penske/status/925724116220485632
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I mean, was there any doubt?
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IOwnCalculus posted:I mean, was there any doubt? Nah, Penske likes reminding everyone else of his success. Ganassi hasn’t done it as much, probably for NASCAR style marketing reasons.
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You want to hear Derek Daly say "pelvic thrust"? Yeah, you do.
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Rookies and those outside the Top 10 in points may get an extra set of blacks at race weekends. I like the idea for the rookies, for sure. http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/145522-indycar-tire-allotment-changes-being-considered
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Rookies, yes. Outside the top ten, eeeehhhhh... I mean an extra set of tires is not going to get Marco (how the gently caress did he salvage 12th out of the year) up with the red cars, but it could put the guys running 8th-10th at a disadvantage.
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Is it May yet? What!?! Six loving months! Its gonna be a long winter.
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Chill, we’ll have three or four races before it gets to May  ...but still like four months until those races start 
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http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/145547-spm-calmels-indy-500-deal-uncertain WELP.
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Would hate to watch an Indy 500 without Tristian Gommendy
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Bizzaro wtf entries are part of the 500's charm.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Bizzaro wtf entries are part of the 500's charm. It is. Hopefully Larson and Blaney come over and do double duty, I'm sure both their bosses would be cool with it, given that's Chip and Roger respectively.
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Human Grand Prix posted:What the; Race Car x64 edition— he can use more than 4GB of ram at a time.
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Kinda makes me miss the days of officially entered T or X cars. 
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I thought that was an Indy-Only thing but that 64x Project Indy car was from Miami 1995, a street circuit. Also it' a weird throwback livery to a lovely late 80s F1 team (that Danner also drove for). Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Nov 8, 2017 |
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