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an adult beverage posted:Is this the ironic contrarian BvS/Suicide Squad was achktually good thread? BvS is dogshit, and SS was one of the worst major studio releases of the last decade. 
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Suicide Squad is an odd duck. There's definitely a good movie in there somewhere, and obviously the majority of the cast is having a good time, but as a whole it just does not gel in any way, shape or form. But there are so many decent moments and just enough weird poo poo that I can enjoy it. Also, I think I mentioned this elsewhere, but holy poo poo do the re-shoots stick out like a sore thumb, like "Mara's wig on Fantastic Four" bad. Kinnaman, in particular, just looks gaunt in random scenes.
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Nov 8, 2017 21:05
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josh04 posted:Suicide Squad won an Oscar. Wow a bunch of sex predators and liberals called the set design outstanding, it was a good movie after all
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Nov 8, 2017 21:13
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an adult beverage posted:Is this the ironic contrarian BvS/Suicide Squad was achktually good thread? BvS is dogshit, and SS was one of the worst major studio releases of the last decade. CineD is sacred land for BvS, Transformers and the prequel trilogy. I hope you enjoy your stay.
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Nov 8, 2017 21:16
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sleep with the vicious posted:Wow a bunch of sex predators and liberals called the set design outstanding, it was a good movie after all It was actually makeup and hairstyling, buster! SleepCousinDeath posted:CineD is sacred land for BvS, Transformers and the prequel trilogy. I hope you enjoy your stay. If only we weren't so persecuted everywhere else!
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Nov 8, 2017 21:17
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josh04 posted:Suicide Squad won an Oscar. big, if true
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Nov 8, 2017 21:18
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sleep with the vicious posted:Wow a bunch of sex predators and liberals called the set design outstanding, it was a good movie after all Correct!
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Nov 8, 2017 21:19
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K. Waste posted:I have good news, then: Beavis has both. For some definition of "good," I suppose it tries. josh04 posted:Have you considered reading books? Have you?
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Nov 8, 2017 21:35
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Ah, I'm being a jerk, sorry. I just meant that, given the visual aspect of films is the unique part, it's valid to enjoy a movie even if it scuffs up the plot.
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Nov 8, 2017 21:55
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Black Bones posted:Suicide Sqwad rules so hard. I like it better than beavis, which is also extremely good. Sincerely. Please. It's spelled "Skwad".
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Nov 8, 2017 22:11
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RBA Starblade posted:Please. It's spelled "Skwad". Maybe at your Hot Topic, but I shop at Spencer's Gifts
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Nov 8, 2017 22:14
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Black Bones posted:Maybe at your Hot Topic, but I shop at Spencer's Gifts Ah, big fan of weed and novelty dicks eh?
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Nov 8, 2017 22:16
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Who isn't? For real though, I enjoy how tame "naughty" stuff is. I'm not gonna wear it, but it's existence makes me glad for some reason. Teenaged nostalgia probably. Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 8, 2017 |
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Nov 8, 2017 22:20
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sleep with the vicious posted:Wow a bunch of sex predators and liberals called the set design outstanding, it was a good movie after all While you jerked it hard when you learnt LoTR won13
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Nov 8, 2017 22:31
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shut up, Beavis
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Nov 8, 2017 22:36
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Timby posted:Suicide Squad is an odd duck. There's definitely a good movie in there somewhere, and obviously the majority of the cast is having a good time, but as a whole it just does not gel in any way, shape or form. But there are so many decent moments and just enough weird poo poo that I can enjoy it. I felt like this movie got hacked to bits in the editing room. There could've been a good movie in there somewhere, but none of that is really evident in the movie we got. The first twenty minutes of the film is one character vignette after the other - it's an absolute chore to get through. Beavis looks like Citizen Kane compared to that movie, personally. On the topic of Justice League, I found this article to be quite interesting: The Guardian posted:For those tired of the fighting, I have good news: a new trailer for Batman v Superman follow-up Justice League suggests this long and painful conflict might finally be entering its endgame. For there can be little point in taking sides when the tonal distinction between Marvel and DC movies has become almost non-existent... URL: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/31/why-all-superheroes-look-the-same-marvel-dc-justice-league I do think that The Guardian has a point - part of the DCCU's appeal, to me, was that it was trying to do something different with the mythos - but now it seems like WB is playing chicken and conceding to pressure. Everything I've seen regarding this movie is completely different in tone from the past DCCU movies, and it's jarring, to say the least.
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Nov 8, 2017 22:53
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Jonny_Rocket posted:URL: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/31/why-all-superheroes-look-the-same-marvel-dc-justice-league quote:...meat-headed, heavy-metal film-making of Dawn of Justice... What does that even mean?
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Nov 8, 2017 23:36
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Jonny_Rocket posted:part of the DCCU's appeal, to me, was that it was trying to do something different with the mythos - This I don't get at all. Nothing in MoS or BvS is different. It's almost all from various existing Superman and Batman stories, sometimes shot-for-shot. Even things like Batman shooting KGBeast is a homage to the Dark Knight Returns. If that was the appeal for you then the DCCU failed miserably because it's got very little new ideas.
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Nov 8, 2017 23:43
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Snyder did a good job of selling MoS with his Terrence Malick trailers, but if you watched the movie without knowing the trailers, it'd probably feel a lot like more of the same. e: David Goyer also deserves a lot of the blame for the shittiness of Warn Bros movies. Unfortunately they keep getting the job. ufarn fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Nov 8, 2017 |
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Nov 8, 2017 23:47
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Jimbot posted:What does that even mean? That Zack Snyder is handsome and has amazing biceps.
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Nov 8, 2017 23:48
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ImpAtom posted:This I don't get at all. Nothing in MoS or BvS is different. It's almost all from various existing Superman and Batman stories, sometimes shot-for-shot. Even things like Batman shooting KGBeast is a homage to the Dark Knight Returns. If that was the appeal for you then the DCCU failed miserably because it's got very little new ideas. It is different from the Marvel formula, not different from the source material. Ironically, one of the main criticisms towards the films is that it wasn't faithful enough to the source material.
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Nov 8, 2017 23:56
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Jimbot posted:What does that even mean? "I don't like this."
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Nov 9, 2017 00:40
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:It is different from the Marvel formula, not different from the source material. Yes, exactly my point.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:42
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Jonny_Rocket posted:URL: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/31/why-all-superheroes-look-the-same-marvel-dc-justice-league I don't really buy it. Wonder Woman and JL were always going to be tonally different than their predecessors, as the former is intended as an uplifting, inspirational tale and the latter is a synthesis between many individuals, rather than MoS or BvS, which were about tormented dudes confronting their demons. By and large and with few exceptions, Marvel movies are overproduced, sterilized pop culture nuggets intended for mass consumption. They're film media delivered through an autotuner. DC's offerings, while stumbling in execution, aim for a darker and grittier tone and an atmosphere that doesn't automatically discount all possibility of failure. In this respect, I think it would be rather difficult to conflate even WW for a Marvel offering.
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Habibi posted:I don't really buy it. Wonder Woman and JL were always going to be tonally different than their predecessors, as the former is intended as an uplifting, inspirational tale and the latter is a synthesis between many individuals, rather than MoS or BvS, which were about tormented dudes confronting their demons. I'll have the mass consumption Big Mac rather than the gritty poo poo Sandwich on moldy bread, please.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:54
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an adult beverage posted:I'll have the mass consumption Big Mac rather than the gritty poo poo Sandwich on moldy bread, please. It's better if you wash it down with a jar of piss
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Nov 9, 2017 01:11
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it sucks this has to be a big ol avengers-thing because goddamn I'd have loved a straight-up standalone Batman film by Zack Snyder. The imagery and elements in BvS paired with just one character story would have been fantastic. I can't even begin to imagine how insane batman villains would be sans the loving dumb Joker we were given.
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Habibi posted:I don't really buy it. Wonder Woman and JL were always going to be tonally different than their predecessors, as the former is intended as an uplifting, inspirational tale and the latter is a synthesis between many individuals, rather than MoS or BvS, which were about tormented dudes confronting their demons. lmao I too want my children's movies to be dark, gritty, down to earth, but also swarming with magic robots because I'm incapable of understanding the world except through mass media and aligning myself with brands Imagine this guy at parties, or deciding coke vs pepsi (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 9, 2017 01:21
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Clearly you never saw Watership Down.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:25
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I still don't really get what's up with Lex Luthor in Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice. From what I remember: 1) He thinks Superman is a fake God because God can't be all powerful and all good (and this also how he sees his dad(?)) 2) He thinks "devils come from the sky," so he also thinks Superman is a devil, but also knows about Darkseid and thinks he's a devil too (but kind of wants to ally with him?) 3) He decides to get Batman to take out Superman which will either prove he's not all powerful (because Batman kills him) or not all good (because he kills Batman (not sure how this would work if Superman's just defending himself...)) 4) He also blows up Congress to make Superman look bad (?) (But by successfully blowing it up didn't he prove Superman isn't all powerful already?) 5) If Batman fails he'll just kill him with Doomsday 6) I won't even get into how much I didn't understand the Africa bullet thing but I feel that's ultimately neither here nor there Is this correct?
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Nov 9, 2017 01:36
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It's just stupid and they utterly ruined Lex Luthor for their cinematic universe. Same with Joker. They should just mulligan.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:56
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porfiria posted:I still don't really get what's up with Lex Luthor in Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice. From what I remember: Lex Luthor is a rich fuckhead who has never faced consequences for anything, and can't stand the existence of anyone who won't debase themselves to his money. All the sophistry is just about how up himself he is. There's no real meaning to his dilemma that he sets up other than that he gets off on manipulating the most powerful being on the planet.
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MonsterEnvy posted:It's just stupid and they utterly ruined Lex Luthor for their cinematic universe. Same with Joker. They should just mulligan. Nah, it's not "just stupid". They tried something new and gave him a bunch of psychological problems and made him "clever" in that self-satisfied smug tech bro way. It largely works if you accept it on its own terms. The key is realizing that he's obfuscating his real motives 99% of the time, just yammering on making puns and references and subjecting people to a blizzard of bullshit. The scene at the party where he starts to actually describe what he really thinks and then trails off and looks scared is evidence of that. You realize that Luthor was abused as a child, this makes him feel weak and powerless, and so when a truly powerful being comes along it snaps his mind. When he meets with Superman face-to-face he's the "real" Luthor, by which I mean he's actually saying what he truly believes. I enjoy the scene because Luthor is 100% right in his own sad way. For example, he says that God can not be all-powerful and all-good, and chooses to believe that Superman is thus not good, not realizing that his logic is right but his conclusions are wrong - Superman *is* all-good, but he's not all-powerful. His other contention is that God chooses sides, when Superman has deliberately been trying to NOT choose sides (that's why he only deals with natural disasters) and be a Universal figure (and failing). That's where Snyder plays the Jesus angle, Superman can only become a universal figure of hope and redemption and all that stuff by dying for all of us. Luther is obsessed with people's perception of Superman as a Good God, and so his plan is to force Superman to rip Batman's head off, thus exposing him to the world as a Bad God (the Devil, in other words). Failing that, he's going to unleash Doomsday to kill Superman because, like all versions of Lex Luthor, he gambles the world on insane plots to destroy the Man of Steel, whose power he is insanely jealous of. The Africa bullet thing is Lex Luthor being a sociopath and using his experimental bullets on live humans in Africa and other far-flung nations because he deduces (correctly!) that his flacks at the DoD will stonewall any investigation. I hope this helps. Edit: you can also read it like josh04 although I think the movie takes pains to give him some actual motive for his behavior beyond "dilettante" Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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He still does not work as Luthor. I feel the actor would have worked better as Jimmy Olsen.
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Nov 9, 2017 02:24
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All you gotta know about any incarnation of Lex Luthor is that the basic character is a dude hiding his massive inferiority complex under a thick layer of superiority complex. Everything else follows from that.
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Nov 9, 2017 02:25
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:All you gotta know about any incarnation of Lex Luthor is that the basic character is a dude hiding his massive inferiority complex under a thick layer of superiority complex. And he is very petty. Also Bald.
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Nov 9, 2017 02:26
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WRONG!!! \ 
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Nov 9, 2017 02:30
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josh04 posted:WRONG!!! Was honestly not a huge fan of his portrayal ether. (Though I believe he is stated as wearing a wig in universe)
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Nov 9, 2017 02:33
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I mean, originally Luthor's beef with Superman was because Superboy caused an accident that made Luthor bald.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I mean, originally Luthor's beef with Superman was because Superboy caused an accident that made Luthor bald. Granny's Hair Tonic
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