Platystemon posted:

Countries that switched sides in WWII.

Proud commies

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Jerry Cotton posted:

Countries Father Camillo has visited?

yaffle posted:

Did he really go to Russia?

Blut posted:

How did that little island of Hungarian/Magyar majorities come to be? I know the Hungarians gained it (and a landbridge to it) during WW2 but subsequently lost it but it always struck me as odd. Was the land between it and Hungary historically Hungarian majority, but gradually subjected to Romanian immigration? If so, why did so few Romanians likewise move to the 'island' area?

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

I think you're asking the question "Why do Szekelys exist?" And there is no conclusive answer to this question.

rear end struggle posted:

sad map of the range of lions

No Safe Word posted:

and the Provencal Lions

mojo1701a posted:

Disappointed there are no Lyon lions.

ekuNNN posted:

Blut posted:

To be fair they at least got to keep their land after WW2 and didn't get forcibly repatriated to Hungary. They did a bit better than the Eastern European German minorities in that regard.

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The German concept of Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm] (About this sound listen), English: "living space") refers to policies and practices of settler colonialism which proliferated in Germany from the 1890s to the 1940s. First popularized around 1901,[2] Lebensraum became a geopolitical goal of Imperial Germany in World War I (1914–1918) originally, as the core element of the Septemberprogramm of territorial expansion.[3] The most extreme form of this ideology was supported by the Nazi Party (NSDAP) and Nazi Germany until the end of World War II.[4]

Following Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Lebensraum became an ideological principle of Nazism and provided justification for the German territorial expansion into East-Central Europe.[5] The Nazi Generalplan Ost policy (the Master Plan for the East) was based on its tenets. It stipulated that most of the indigenous populations of Eastern Europe would have to be removed permanently (either through mass deportation to Siberia, death, or enslavement) including Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, and other Slavic nations considered racially inferior and non-Aryan. The Nazi government aimed at repopulating these lands with Germanic colonists in the name of Lebensraum during World War II and thereafter.[6][7][8] The entire populations were to be decimated by starvation, allowing for their own agricultural surplus to feed Germany.[6]

Hitler's strategic program for world domination was based on the belief in the power of Lebensraum, pursued by a racially superior society.[7] People deemed to be part of inferior races, within the territory of Lebensraum expansion, were subjected to expulsion or destruction.[7] The eugenics of Lebensraum assumed the right of the German Aryan master race (Herrenvolk) to remove indigenous people they considered to be of inferior racial stock (Untermenschen) in the name of their own living space.[7] Nazi Germany also supported other "Aryan' nations" pursuing their own Lebensraum, including Fascist Italy's spazio vitale.[9]

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Jerry Cotton posted:

Jehde posted:

Are we back to thinking guess the map posts are good for some reason?

Private Speech posted:

The nazis did much the same with their lebensraum policies, and (though the occasional brutality of it was not) it was sanctioned by the UN following the war.

Wait you're one of the German nationalist posters, why am I replying to you.

e: because this is the political maps thread:

Not saying it wasn't a bad thing, and it's mandatory to spend a month learning about it in school in at least some parts of Eastern Europe, but on the whole it always strikes me as kinda silly how some Germans treat it as some grave injustice compared to what they did for years in the first place. Particularly when a lot of Germans were relatively recent immigrants, though most weren't.

And it happened in northern France too, because of some woo Nazi science splitting French people into two ethnic groups, uhh, somehow.

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

What if forced population transfers and ethnic cleansing was wrong when Germans did them AND also wrong when they were done to reasonably innocent German civilians? What if two things could possibly be wrong and bad at the same time, without either being excused?

Blut posted:

What? I'm not even German?

Its also a bit of a jump to call me a German nationalist because I said Szekely Hungarians did better than ethnic Germans after WW2, I wasn't making any comment on whether ethnic Germans deserved their repatriation or not. The ones who supported the Nazis almost certainly did, if only to prevent any potential future German revanchism. But thanks for the slightly odd attack I guess.

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I'm sure for the right price somewhere on the European periphery could be convinced to set up a 'holding area' for those stateless convicted illegal immigrant criminals who refuse to admit where they're from. Let them stay there until they admit where they're actually from, then send then home. The Australian system that does this seems to work rather well.

Private Speech posted:

I think it's not that simple. A lot of the german civilians enjoyed very privileged positions under Nazi rule, often given management positions, confiscated property, all companies must have had ethnically clean owners, etc. This made it so that some form of restitution was inevitable, but there probably should have been exceptions for people who lived in the area for a long time.

You can't possibly expect people to accept that German civilians would keep their property and positions as have been acquired under the occupation.

my dad posted:

Hello, dude who talked to relatives who survived being in Nazi concentration camps speaking here, the ethnic cleansing of Germans was wrong. A rather insufficient amount of Nazi shooting was done wrt the actual Nazis, and I'm not a fan of compensating with 6 year olds.

Private Speech posted:

there's a difference between murder and resettlement

my dad posted:

If you accept.

Private Speech posted:

i have an ethnically cleansed friend

Private Speech posted:

My relatives have too been in a Nazi concentration camp, incidentally. I didnt even particularly like them when they were alive, and I don't see why it really matters.

Also there's a difference between murder and resettlement, but you know what whatever, I don't really care. I don't have anything against Germans who have stayed or who I have met abroad. In fact my former landlady was one of the people who were expulsed after the war, and I have spoken with her about it in a mutually amiable way.

Private Speech posted:

that includes a large percentage of suicides?

Rumda posted:

Which of course don't count as actual deaths...

gently caress off man.

Private Speech posted:

Well, not murders. At least according to the German red cross quoted on wikipedia.

Of course a fair number of those were probably caused by what happened.