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Paladin
Nov 26, 2004
You lost today, kid. But that doesn't mean you have to like it.


Bajaj posted:

I was browsing Kindle Deals in Amazon, and this popped up:

https://www.amazon.com/Jade-Dragon-...7YASC2QE5TQQYAS

A Chinese detective? LMAO. Face culture makes being a detective an oxymoron. "Hmmm... this guy said no to the crime, and I know he is lying because we have seven witnesses, but he said no so I have to just walk away and accept that. I'll just blame it on this poor beggar. Maybe it is better I go poke my nose into more imperial business."

China had an entire genre of detective fiction about magistrates solving crimes, torturing suspects, talking to ghosts, and stuff like that. Of course they had been burned and forgotten by the time a dutch dude found one of the few surviving originals (in Japan) and started writing his own. Look up Judge Dee and Robert van Gulik.

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Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Bajaj posted:

I was browsing Kindle Deals in Amazon, and this popped up:

https://www.amazon.com/Jade-Dragon-...7YASC2QE5TQQYAS

A Chinese detective? LMAO. Face culture makes being a detective an oxymoron. "Hmmm... this guy said no to the crime, and I know he is lying because we have seven witnesses, but he said no so I have to just walk away and accept that. I'll just blame it on this poor beggar. Maybe it is better I go poke my nose into more imperial business."

I dont think chinese people have trouble understanding the concept of lies haier

Otoh, this book could be retarded in other ways. I watched a korean detective movie recently called "the king's case note" and it was full of the worst derivative garbo conjoined to the worst korean sociallr reactionary garbo on a bare plot. The music and opening and pacing was just exactly the same as the guy ritchie sherlock movies, down to the slowmo fight predictions just being replicated in reverse as one guys memories.

Korean sherlock was a made-up joseon king, of course, and he was perfect and brilliant and also doesnt kill because he is so virtuous, and he is also secretly the best swordfighter in korea. Watson is a big dumbass with a perfect memory that comes up maybe once, he is kinda funny because he is a huge fawning sycophant. The king is unmarried or something but obv nothing is gay because watson is also ugly and they are social classes apart. There are two women in the script, and they dont matter except they both do their crimes in conspiracy for their family and apologize on screen for being to weak to not do crime, the king virtuously forgives them and praises them chastley.

There was zero mystery in the plot, most of the sherlocking was idiotic questions like "what was that underwater craft propelling itself???" and it turning out to be a submarine (invented by koreans). The oponening crime was that a guy walked into town and then was suddenly ablaze, the mystery was solved by the king revealing... The guy was covered in flammable material and somebody set him on fire from far away!!!


Wow, I also watched the beginning of the chinese god of war, lmao, the plot is just how the brave chinese army needs to fight bacl against the filthy japanese who come to steal chinese women. Literally the same drat thing as the 1000 tv movies about china fighting imperial japan in wwii

Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Nov 8, 2017

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
I think Haiers point was that they because the guy said he didn't do it, they can't cause him to lose face and accuse him of it.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Slim Jim Pickens posted:

There are two women, and they dont matter

You already said it was Korean.

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

peanut posted:

Hawaiian pizza is like al pastor tacos without spice. And I like both! !!

Oh my god I want an al pastor pizza so badly now!

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Since I am escaping India ASAP due to the hilarious pollution levels, I am looking at an apartment in Thailand. I forgot that this the time of year the dumbo farmers are burning their fields, which they they do every year and the government just watches and pretends to care when the AQI goes to 600 per day in the northern parts. It's been about 200 AQI non-stop for over a month now where I am, and I just can't handle it. We'd get 200 or so in Shenzhen, but it would last a day at the most and then go back down to 70 or whatever. I've been breathing in 200 for a month straight, no way to filter it, and it is absolutely taking a toll on me. I don't even remember what it feels like to breath properly out of my nose. I have like 1/4th of a working nostril left, and I constantly hack stuff up. I guess I am much more sensitive to pollution than I thought, because everyone else around me gets confused when I complain about it.

I talked with my dad, and they will find a me a place near their apartment if I don't find one online that looks decent. There's a lot of nice stuff in their area for my price range. One caught my eye, but then I saw this... The hat was in several of the photos. I think it's like a subliminal message, or maybe even a warning sign. I'm a little put off by it, and I don't think I should put this place on my list. I worry the hat might be included in the furniture.



underage at the vape shop posted:

I think Haiers point was that they because the guy said he didn't do it, they can't cause him to lose face and accuse him of it.
This.

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
Did anyone get butthurt at a foreigner taking Judge Dee's stories and doing something good with them? like with Kung Fu Panda?

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

nickmeister posted:

Did anyone get butthurt at
yes

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

nickmeister posted:

Did anyone get butthurt at a foreigner taking Judge Dee's stories and doing something good with them? like with Kung Fu Panda?
I remember a few calls of ~cultural appropriation~ but nothing real

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://www.reddit.com/r/canberra/comments/7acals/dear_assholes_who_raided_the_baby_formula_of/

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
I honestly don't believe the "If I buy in China, it must be fake!" routine Mainlanders all do when it comes to Chinese products. Two cans of the same poo poo could be made in same factory, one sold in Shenzhen, one sold in Hong Kong, and 100% of people will say the Shenzhen one is fake and the HK one is 100000% real. I think it's hilarious that the government is trying to "crack down" on corruption, when the entire population believes everything in the country is fake or cheating them, and has zero trust for domestic products.

I was telling someone about how I would getting a visa through an embassy, and how the embassy rules don't allow bags and electronics inside when applying. I was told they must be a cheating place. They were obviously going to lock me inside and rob me, and the whole embassy was a front for robbing people. It must be a fake embassy! I don't even know how to counter that level of idiocy, but this is how they think and it's normal and fine.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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"If I buy in China it is probably a poor product" is actually very wise

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Yeah, how is distrusting Chinese manufacturing anything but wisdom?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
The product on the shelf could very well be the one manufactured at the same place as the one sitting on a shelf in Taiwan, but I think it way more likely the the supervisor took the ones intended for the Chinese market and sold them on the black market for a ridiculous markup and then had his slaves well-compensated staff come in during the night-shift to produce extra tins, cutting corners of course to make sure they hit the quota before the order is due.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
Honestly, I wouldn't buy baby formula in China even if it had a hologram seal, a certificate of authenticity, and an uninterrupted 23 hour video of that particular can leaving the assembly line and making its way to that store shelf and the last frame is my hand reaching out and grabbing it off the shelf. Why chance it when you're dealing with your child's health?

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Blistex posted:

Honestly, I wouldn't buy baby formula in China even if it had a hologram seal, a certificate of authenticity, and an uninterrupted 23 hour video of that particular can leaving the assembly line and making its way to that store shelf and the last frame is my hand reaching out and grabbing it off the shelf. Why chance it when you're dealing with your child's health?

old buddy of mine knew a man whose factory job was forging those nike hologram seals, so i'm pretty sure they would make fake certificates and fake videos, too

e: who watches a 23 hour video? chabuduo, just do the first 5 minutes and last 5 and do a repeat of a minute or two for the intervening 23 hours

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
i wouldnt buy formula from any country with a history of putting literal poison in to fool the nutrient measurements

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Y'all should check out the dotards new Twitter background

Double Monocle
Sep 4, 2008

Smug as fuck.
I read 670 pages of this thread before I came to realize that everyone in china is just Cartman from south park.

It makes a whole lot more sense now.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Double Monocle posted:

everyone in china is just Cartman from south park.

what a loving racist, narrow-minded thing to sa-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I78IeVut6KA

ok, I see it now


edit: from the comments: Translation by friend: Summary: Kid is telling the truck driver NOT to park in that space. Tells him to move the truck. When the child walks back and stares at the truck driver - he then says the equivalence of "gently caress you I don't hear the engine turning on." At that point - you can hear the driver start the engine.

thoughts and prayers
Apr 22, 2013

Love heals all wounds. We hope you continually carry love in your heart. Today and always, may loving memories bring you peace, comfort, and strength. We sympathize with the family of (Name). We shall never forget you in our prayers and thoughts. I am at a loss for words during this sorrowful time.

Bajaj posted:

One caught my eye, but then I saw this... The hat was in several of the photos. I think it's like a subliminal message, or maybe even a warning sign. I'm a little put off by it, and I don't think I should put this place on my list. I worry the hat might be included in the furniture.


The best.

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

basic hitler posted:

Yeah, how is distrusting Chinese manufacturing anything but wisdom?

Fojar38 posted:

"If I buy in China it is probably a poor product" is actually very wise
Because there are a lot of Chinese products that aren't utter poo poo, even in China. Everything you and I are using right now was made in China. Mainlanders take a really weird stance about it, in ways that make no sense. One girl complained to me before that we are both using the same phone (iPhone 5S at the time), but my photos look better than hers. The only difference was I didn't use the basic camera app, I spent a moment to frame the shot and let it focus, and used some editing apps. But no, it's not that. Her phone must be fake! It was bought at the Apple store in Hong Kong, but they must have been selling fake iPhones.
This kind of thinking goes into every product and purchase. It doesn't matter if they go somewhere and buy something that was obviously imported, it is still probably fake in their minds. If they don't like something? Fake. If someone told them some gossip bullshit story about a girl in Henan that ate a baozi that was really made out of soft cement, then all baozi everywhere must be fake and we should all be cautious.

They think I'm weird for walking into a nation-wide chain supermarket and buying stuff and going home and eating it without triple-checking if it's real. Every time I ordered anything off Taobao, the finger was hovering over 1-star rating as I was opening the box, because maybe I got a fake product. Even when I ordered a product direct from the manufacturer... it might be fake.

I think it goes with face culture and the inability to admit wrongs. They now have a system where they must know if something new is genuine or fake, while living a society that doesn't care about knock-off name brands. They can blame any unhappiness with a product on "it must be a copy," because it's easier than admitting "I don't understand this," or "this is not to my expectations." It's easier to say that latest version of a pair of Nikes are fake instead of noticing that the design and fit is different than the previous version, and that's why the shoe isn't fitting the same as the other (another anecdote from personal experience).

I spent a ton of money on dumb poo poo while I was there, getting Taobao orders every single week, and I never once met a product that wasn't genuine. People fell over themselves to scold me for buying imported milk powder for tea from the foreigner supermarkets. I was regularly scolded from buying anything from the foreign supermarket (Ole/BLT) because it must all be made in China and there's no way those products are really from Italy or Japan. Etc.

Blistex posted:

Honestly, I wouldn't buy baby formula in China even if it had a hologram seal, a certificate of authenticity, and an uninterrupted 23 hour video of that particular can leaving the assembly line and making its way to that store shelf and the last frame is my hand reaching out and grabbing it off the shelf. Why chance it when you're dealing with your child's health?
You am become Mainland.

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
http://www.flashfly.net/wp/?p=197290

loving LOL at every single one of these photos.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Halfway down, the guy in the Tux. He totally looks better in the 'before' photo.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I dont think chinese people have trouble understanding the concept of lies haier

Otoh, this book could be retarded in other ways. I watched a korean detective movie recently called "the king's case note" and it was full of the worst derivative garbo conjoined to the worst korean sociallr reactionary garbo on a bare plot. The music and opening and pacing was just exactly the same as the guy ritchie sherlock movies, down to the slowmo fight predictions just being replicated in reverse as one guys memories.

Korean sherlock was a made-up joseon king, of course, and he was perfect and brilliant and also doesnt kill because he is so virtuous, and he is also secretly the best swordfighter in korea. Watson is a big dumbass with a perfect memory that comes up maybe once, he is kinda funny because he is a huge fawning sycophant. The king is unmarried or something but obv nothing is gay because watson is also ugly and they are social classes apart. There are two women in the script, and they dont matter except they both do their crimes in conspiracy for their family and apologize on screen for being to weak to not do crime, the king virtuously forgives them and praises them chastley.

There was zero mystery in the plot, most of the sherlocking was idiotic questions like "what was that underwater craft propelling itself???" and it turning out to be a submarine (invented by koreans). The oponening crime was that a guy walked into town and then was suddenly ablaze, the mystery was solved by the king revealing... The guy was covered in flammable material and somebody set him on fire from far away!!!


Wow, I also watched the beginning of the chinese god of war, lmao, the plot is just how the brave chinese army needs to fight bacl against the filthy japanese who come to steal chinese women. Literally the same drat thing as the 1000 tv movies about china fighting imperial japan in wwii

I'm pretty sure I've seen the Chinese version of that film. I distinctly remember people bursting into flames when exposed to daylight.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Bajaj posted:

I think it's like a subliminal message,

It's a green hat. They know you're a homewrecker.

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

quote:

It's weird 'ay... like surely that same brand can just export stuff to China themselves?

Weird mindset. An ex-colleague from a Chinese background (going back a few years) full on berated me for saying my wife breastfed exclusively. He was like 'naaah see formula FORCES them to grow bigger and smarter, it's like 10x better than breast milk... my kid is already much stronger and smarter than yours, and yours will never catch up as a result'. He then boasted that his kid (similar age but significantly shorter) was a lot heavier than mine (despite being a fair bit shorter and like... really chubby, whereas mine was like 30cm taller and quite lean/athletic). It's not a competition or anything, but I was legit surprised by how he full went at me for breastfeeding. Guessing there's a propaganda machine behind this mindset?
That guy gained a lot of face that day.

quote:

I too like to leave things till the last minute and then chuck a tanty when things don't just work out for me.
I've never heard this phrase before, and I laughed about it for minutes. I need to add this to my vobaculary.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
Thats one of the few Australianisms like "shrimp on the barbie" that are actually really widely used.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Prawns. You put prawns on the range.

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

Bajaj posted:

Because there are a lot of Chinese products that aren't utter poo poo, even in China. Everything you and I are using right now was made in China. Mainlanders take a really weird stance about it, in ways that make no sense. One girl complained to me before that we are both using the same phone (iPhone 5S at the time), but my photos look better than hers. The only difference was I didn't use the basic camera app, I spent a moment to frame the shot and let it focus, and used some editing apps. But no, it's not that. Her phone must be fake! It was bought at the Apple store in Hong Kong, but they must have been selling fake iPhones.
This kind of thinking goes into every product and purchase. It doesn't matter if they go somewhere and buy something that was obviously imported, it is still probably fake in their minds. If they don't like something? Fake. If someone told them some gossip bullshit story about a girl in Henan that ate a baozi that was really made out of soft cement, then all baozi everywhere must be fake and we should all be cautious.

They think I'm weird for walking into a nation-wide chain supermarket and buying stuff and going home and eating it without triple-checking if it's real. Every time I ordered anything off Taobao, the finger was hovering over 1-star rating as I was opening the box, because maybe I got a fake product. Even when I ordered a product direct from the manufacturer... it might be fake.

I think it goes with face culture and the inability to admit wrongs. They now have a system where they must know if something new is genuine or fake, while living a society that doesn't care about knock-off name brands. They can blame any unhappiness with a product on "it must be a copy," because it's easier than admitting "I don't understand this," or "this is not to my expectations." It's easier to say that latest version of a pair of Nikes are fake instead of noticing that the design and fit is different than the previous version, and that's why the shoe isn't fitting the same as the other (another anecdote from personal experience).

I spent a ton of money on dumb poo poo while I was there, getting Taobao orders every single week, and I never once met a product that wasn't genuine. People fell over themselves to scold me for buying imported milk powder for tea from the foreigner supermarkets. I was regularly scolded from buying anything from the foreign supermarket (Ole/BLT) because it must all be made in China and there's no way those products are really from Italy or Japan. Etc.

You am become Mainland.

This post gave me a :hmbol:
Something tells me Donald Trump is going to do fine in China today, he obviously knows face culture well.


basic hitler posted:

Yeah, how is distrusting Chinese manufacturing anything but wisdom?

It's not your money being wasted, would be the obvious answer.

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747

WarpedNaba posted:

Prawns. You put prawns on the range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn_CPrCS8gs

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Bajaj posted:

Because there are a lot of Chinese products that aren't utter poo poo, even in China. Everything you and I are using right now was made in China. Mainlanders take a really weird stance about it, in ways that make no sense. One girl complained to me before that we are both using the same phone (iPhone 5S at the time), but my photos look better than hers. The only difference was I didn't use the basic camera app, I spent a moment to frame the shot and let it focus, and used some editing apps. But no, it's not that. Her phone must be fake! It was bought at the Apple store in Hong Kong, but they must have been selling fake iPhones.

uhh how exactly are you posting about the giant scam of chaoshan factories in one post, mocking gutter oil culture, and then posting how everything in china is definitely real and trustworthy?

besides are you really going to risk the health and wellbeing of your only child when you know kids have literally died (and tens of thousands hospitalized) because some fucktard wanted to save a few bucks on their milk powder production costs

Bajaj posted:

That guy gained a lot of face that day.

gonna need a 'the chad breastfeeder vs the cuck milk powder user' meme here

and yeah there's a lot of propaganda from the milk powder industry how their milk powder turns your baby into a mix of einstein and andre the giant. parents in hospitals used to get just enough milk powder so they won't breastfeed until they can't anymore and gotta pay

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Mistle posted:

Something tells me Donald Trump is going to do fine in China today, he obviously knows face culture well.

Trump behaves exactly like a tuhao mainlander. That's why he was so popular here.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Fojar38 posted:

"If I buy in China it is probably a poor product" is actually very wise

this goes for literally anything and everything from the mainland

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
I have personally used chinese disposable razors and they go blunt before even 20 of my chin bristles are cut. The ones I buy everywhere else are obv still made in china but they last for weeks. Difficult to explain, but also explains a lot

Tupperwarez
Apr 4, 2004

"phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I have personally used chinese disposable razors and they go blunt before even 20 of my chin bristles are cut. The ones I buy everywhere else are obv still made in china but they last for weeks. Difficult to explain, but also explains a lot
Probably the usual: A grades go to developed countries, B grades go to developing countries, and the rest of the crap is dumped into the domestic market.

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
A friend of mine just spotted this in True China

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Jeoh posted:

uhh how exactly are you posting about the giant scam of chaoshan factories in one post, mocking gutter oil culture, and then posting how everything in china is definitely real and trustworthy?

besides are you really going to risk the health and wellbeing of your only child when you know kids have literally died (and tens of thousands hospitalized) because some fucktard wanted to save a few bucks on their milk powder production costs
LOL, come on, I'm not saying it is all real and trustworthy, but it's a cultural trait to blow it all out of proportion, or use face to blame shortcomings or misunderstandings on "FAAAAAKE AND GAY!" Take all those 1-star Amazon reviews that are definitely attributed to user error or didn't read the manual, and get everyone to write "it's scam/copy product" as their review, and that's how Mainlanders roll. When everything is "fake," then everything else is...?
The gossip culture definitely spreads a lot of poo poo around that is probably blown way out of proportion, is just rumors, actually fake news, etc. We're just taking their approach of zero critical thinking and latching onto it because they are, while rejecting everything else they say. I'm mostly just talking about how quickly it comes up in casual conversation. It makes you doubt everything and then get weirder and weirder about it as time goes on.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I have personally used chinese disposable razors and they go blunt before even 20 of my chin bristles are cut. The ones I buy everywhere else are obv still made in china but they last for weeks. Difficult to explain, but also explains a lot

Chinese drills bits that I bought:



I also used chinese ballbearings, man, were those poo poo.

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Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

https://twitter.com/jakeadelstein/status/928463116366528512
Face strikes again.

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