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I tried to scan some codes here but it keeps saying invalid region. Are EU and US games not compatible in that regard?
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Ojetor posted:Just started the 3rd Stratum and got master skills. I want to try the 4 katana spec but my masurao is already by far the party member that dies most often, and that's with heavy armor equipped. I have no clue how I'd keep her alive without any armor on. How are you supposed to make it work? Ragnar Homsar posted:Phantom Duelist Fencers, honestly. This, or divide guard from the shield dragoon, at the cost of no protection for the rest of your team. Otherwise honest answer: you can't. They die a lot. With sacred tetrad and reblossom maxed they also kill a lot, but they're the squishiest team member ever (even more squishy than Celestrian back liners) You can leave them at low HP when you revive them to lower aggro. Won't save them from party wide or row attacks, but multi hits and single target / pierce damage might avoid them. FrickenMoron posted:I tried to scan some codes here but it keeps saying invalid region. Are EU and US games not compatible in that regard? Region locked Blademaster_Aio fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 12:27
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I'm going to try auto revive+reincarnation again for my 4 sword now that I'm 80. Hearing him laugh it off when he reincarnates was great. I had to respec out of it at first because other skills had more priority like reblossom+sacred tetrad.
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Nov 9, 2017 14:13
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Is there any reason I can't/shouldn't scan the high level guild cards people are posting? I'm not going to have to fight someone's Lvl 86 party or anything, right?
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Nov 9, 2017 14:25
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Meeting other guilds is always helpful. Well - almost always. Sometimes they throw a ton of food at you when your drat food bag is full again.
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Nov 9, 2017 14:41
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Ojetor posted:Just started the 3rd Stratum and got master skills. I want to try the 4 katana spec but my masurao is already by far the party member that dies most often, and that's with heavy armor equipped. I have no clue how I'd keep her alive without any armor on. How are you supposed to make it work? Kill things before they kill you. For bosses lock them down with ailments (offense and lockdown go together naturally). Fierce Shield is probably the best stopgap measure for when lockdown hasn't happened or fast mobs.
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Nov 9, 2017 15:00
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RegalStar posted:Fierce Shield is probably the best stopgap Fierce shield blocks things left to right, front row to back. Stick your masurao in the first slot and you can use it to block all or row target attacks.
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Nov 9, 2017 15:11
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Fierce Shield, Phantom Duelist Fencers... Hound Rovers can keep them from dying to single hit attacks, at least, and the hound itself is decently tanky though I wouldn't expect it to survive more than one hit from the a level-equivalent enemy unless you max out Guard Command. Healer Botanists are handy too since they're the only class with a 100% effective revival skill. (Auto-Revive too, though that maxes out at 15% chance.) 4-sword Masurao are like chainlink Fencers in that regard. You can't really drop them into any old party and expect them to just kill everything that moves, they need a party that can support them. If they are supported... However, if you don't like the idea of slotting 4 other characters into roles according to how well they can support 1 character, then there are plenty of other effective party combinations. It bears repeating, every class--every single one--has at least one specialty that lets them do giant gently caress-off damage if you build them appropriately. edit: bloody hell, I still can't get any QR codes to scan. It's not like I've got a hacked 3DS or anything, either. At this point I'm assuming there's some issue with the camera itself. Rangpur fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 15:40
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Is there any other good source of healing besides the Botanist (and items, obv)? I've tried bringing in a Shaman instead, but their passive heal from prayers isn't good enough.
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Nov 9, 2017 15:47
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Pollyanna posted:Is there any other good source of healing besides the Botanist (and items, obv)? I've tried bringing in a Shaman instead, but their passive heal from prayers isn't good enough. It is good enough, but you gotta go all in. A divine shaman eventually has 3 different types of constant passive healing that can keep you alive through practically anything, with occasional supplementation with items. The hardest part of course is the early game. I had a rover with a hound and animal therapy out helping out early on to help bridge the gap until gospel was maxed.
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Nov 9, 2017 15:50
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Shamans don't get enough options for passive healing to keep pace until you get access to Masteries. Hound Rovers can do okay, though I wouldn't put more than a point or two into Animal Therapy early on. What you want from them is Aid Command--it's single target only, but heals status ailments and binds at the same time. If you're in the early game, put 4 points into it and leave it there until TP is less of an issue. The other thing to remember is that it's much better to use cooked food for out of battle healing than skills or items. This can be an issue if you haven't gotten any recipes yet, but roasted Moon Apples are a decent heal by themselves, and can be had for free. If you go apple-picking, try to bring to as many people with the Forage skill as possible to get multiple apples per spawn point. (Earthlains and Therians, basically.) edit: my bad, I didn't realize you were out of the early game; in that case I'll add one thing to what Regy Rusty said--Split Spirits can fill a lot of gaps too, even with only a couple points in it. If you have a Herald Shaman, you should always have at least one buff up on the party anyway or what are you even bringing them for? Even if it's just a level 1 Ruin prayer or something. It only works if you deal damage, but it scales up fast enough that you can usually keep characters under the effect of max level Overexertion at full health. It should do fine with just the 3 skill points you need to unlock Benevolence. Rangpur fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 15:56
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Pollyanna posted:Is there any other good source of healing besides the Botanist (and items, obv)? I've tried bringing in a Shaman instead, but their passive heal from prayers isn't good enough. Before master titles, Shamans aren't really healers. Gospel is all you have and it's not very much at all. Once you get master titles, the Divine Herald Shaman has a lot of passive healing that can really help keep your group alive, though I'd say relying heavily on passive healing necessitates a group with a strong offense, and ideally strong lockdown potential, so that battles don't drag on very long. This is what I do, for what it's worth--my group does a ton of damage, so the fact that I have to rely on items or union skills for on-demand healing isn't a huge deal. Either I'm going to lock down the toughest enemies and wipe the board in a couple of turns or I'm probably going to get the poo poo kicked out of me healing or not. Like others have said, some other non-Botanist healing things you can do:
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Nov 9, 2017 16:32
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On the other hand you don't really need a lot of healing before you get masteries
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Nov 9, 2017 16:47
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I felt a lot of need for healing, at least in the first stratum, but I probably wasn't playing all that well in general at that point, and I certainly wasn't using food enough. After masteries I stopped having any direct healing in my group at all, though, and I don't really miss it. These days I'm running Deathbringer Harbinger, Chain Fencer, Barrage Pugilist, Omnimancer Warlock, and Herald Shaman, and I feel decently survivable (and in general I can end fights before they become serious threats in the first place).
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Nov 9, 2017 16:58
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Regy Rusty posted:It is good enough, but you gotta go all in. A divine shaman eventually has 3 different types of constant passive healing that can keep you alive through practically anything, with occasional supplementation with items. Thanks, stacking a Rover with the Shaman worked out well. The Rover does surprisingly okay damage, too. I actually went pretty far without a Dragoon... What's the deal with the Memory Conch? Is that the EXP share thing we were talking about before? Is there a party-wide version? Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 17:07
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Pollyanna posted:Thanks, stacking a Rover with the Shaman worked out well. The Rover does surprisingly okay damage, too. I actually went pretty far without a Dragoon... it takes up one party member’s accessory slot and gives half exp to the benched guild members
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Nov 9, 2017 17:09
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Pollyanna posted:Thanks, stacking a Rover with the Shaman worked out well. The Rover does surprisingly okay damage, too. I actually went pretty far without a Dragoon... That's the EXP share thing. You equip it on someone who is in your party, and then all of your reserve members get 10% of the EXP from each battle (which is half of what a single party member would get in a five-character party).
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Nov 9, 2017 17:09
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Aha, gotcha. I'll be keeping that on someone at all times, then. Also, I completely forgot that you can move between classes for each race. So, Harbinger Brounis, Dragoon Therians, Warlock Earthlains...I haven't really messed with that. Is there any particular reason to move out of your racial classes, or does it not matter much?
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Nov 9, 2017 17:10
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Pollyanna posted:Aha, gotcha. I'll be keeping that on someone at all times, then. For the most part, each class's default race is the best one for each class. That said, if you want to use a class combination that doesn't let you have all four races by default (which is the case for my party), there are some classes/specs that work really well with alternate races. For example:
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Nov 9, 2017 17:17
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The biggest issue I'm running into right now (F4) with my party that doesn't include a Botanist is that status ailments feel like they're basically a death sentence. I don't think any other class has a status heal yet, at least that I've noticed. Necromancer can throw out a quick party heal with Life Exchange if you're really hurting for it early on. By the way, what's a good level recommendation for the first boss? I'm running two parties, so I'm a little off the standard EXP curve.
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Nov 9, 2017 17:29
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Herald Shamans and Deathguard Harbingers do get ailment-blocking skills, but I forgot that Rovers get an ailment cleanse. At this point I mostly use Hygieia's Bowl when I'm in a "I need to cure these ailments right away or I'm hosed" situation, but that's not really sustainable so really ailment-heavy fights wear me down pretty badly.
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Nov 9, 2017 17:32
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LordHippoman posted:I don't think any other class has a status heal yet, at least that I've noticed. Aid Command of the Rover also cleanses ailments and Atonement of the Deathguard Reaper at least has a chance to do so (although that skill is only available way later). Thericas can be farmed on the second floor if you really need ailment (and bind) removal. A good level for the first boss is 14 to 18.
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Nov 9, 2017 17:37
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In defense of shield dragoons, they get Counter Guard, which when combined with bolt/blaze/hail prayer and the matching elemental link, makes for a pile of triggers. They also get dragon force which is very good.
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Nov 9, 2017 17:39
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Most people end up fighting the 1st boss around level 15 or so, but it's not a hard requirement--you can get away with lower levels if your armor is up-to-date and the weapons are forged up. Potentially much lower if you know exactly which skills to use, but I can't imagine even getting there in the first place lower than, like, level 12. You'd have to be deliberately avoiding all the FOEs/neglecting quests & frequently running from battle.
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Jimmy Hats posted:In defense of shield dragoons, they get Counter Guard, which when combined with bolt/blaze/hail prayer and the matching elemental link, makes for a pile of triggers. Oh that's cool, I didn't realize it used your normal weapon attack to counter. That could be fun to try out.
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Nov 9, 2017 17:41
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Rule of thumb is, anything that says a character counterattacks without specifying the damage type defaults to whatever weapon you have equipped + relevant buffs.
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Nov 9, 2017 17:42
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Rangpur posted:Rule of thumb is, anything that says a character counterattacks without specifying the damage type defaults to whatever weapon you have equipped + relevant buffs. Does that include the Masurao's Mirror Moon skill, too? Granted that one only counterattacks physical damage, but still. Could be fun to Dragon Roar a Masurao, then for each subsequent turn use Counter Guard and have the Masurao use Mirror Moon and a Chain Fencer use an appropriate elemental chain, and just let the counterattacks roll. Wouldn't work on every fight (even if chains will chase Mirror Moon attacks at all) but I bet it'd be fun for the ones where it does.
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Nov 9, 2017 17:51
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Chains do work with Mirror Moon counterattacks of the appropriate element, yes. That is in fact one of the ways a Masurao can support a chain fencer, since they don't otherwise get access to much in the way of elemental damage or binds & ailments.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:05
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Rangpur posted:Rule of thumb is, anything that says a character counterattacks without specifying the damage type defaults to whatever weapon you have equipped + relevant buffs. A better rule of thumb is to look at the description. If it explicitly says to "attack with weapon" or something similar, it will use the damage type of weapon + elemental imbues if present.
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I was about to complain that we wouldn't see any more FM synth music but I took a look at the DLC and BAM there it is.  YayyyyyyEdit: Come to think of it...did they remove the quick-jump feature from the Untold games? I liked that 
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Nov 9, 2017 18:37
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Rangpur posted:Chains do work with Mirror Moon counterattacks of the appropriate element, yes. That is in fact one of the ways a Masurao can support a chain fencer, since they don't otherwise get access to much in the way of elemental damage or binds & ailments. Extremely cool. Gonna try that out once I finish the 6th stratum with my current ailment/bind-heavy Chain Killer setup. Counterattacks feeding elemental chains sounds like a fun variation.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:52
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Pollyanna posted:Edit: Come to think of it...did they remove the quick-jump feature from the Untold games? I liked that
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Harrow posted:Anything that only really cares about STR is going to be great as a Therian. For the most part, aside from the default Therian classes, that means Chain Fencers and Impact Pugilists, or maybe Deathguard Harbingers for Ephermal Reap since debuffs don't care about your other stats. (My Chain Fencer is a Therian.) Therians make decent Cannon Dragoons, too. They have less survivability than Earthlains, but since they still get heavy armour and a Cannon Dragoon's gameplan doesn't usually involve personally drawing hits to themselves, that's rarely a major problem, and the extra STR, AGI, and TP are nice to have. On the other hand, they do have worse LUC, so their ailment shots will be less reliable if you care about those. quote:If nothing else, some builds don't really care about your stats in the first place, so if for some reason you can't fit a race into your party and you want their racial skills, you can use them with a class that doesn't care what your stats are. For example, a Deathguard Harbinger's debuffs don't rely on stats at all, so if you don't care about Ephemeral Reap damage, they could easily be a Celestrian or Brouni. There's not a ton of reason to go for that, but there's not much reason not to, either. Rovers can also be pretty much any race if you really want, since most of their abilities rely primarily on their pet's stats instead of their own. Thuryl fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 19:39
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Thuryl posted:Rovers can also be pretty much any race if you really want, since most of their abilities rely primarily on their pet's stats instead of their own. Yeah, especially Falcon Rovers--except for Million Arrows, all their best attacks are falcon-only and don't even incorporate a bow shot at all.
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Nov 9, 2017 19:42
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This is also why falcon Rovers are an especially good choice to equip with the Killing Shot bow and it's rear end-saving chance to prevent ambushes.
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Nov 9, 2017 20:27
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I've got EO5 downloading off the e-shop as we speak, what do i need to know coming off of 4? I also played a bit of Untold 2, does 5 do it's difficulty like that where hard mode is the "default"?
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Nov 9, 2017 21:07
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:I've got EO5 downloading off the e-shop as we speak, what do i need to know coming off of 4? Numerically-speaking, Advanced is the "default," yes. Basic isn't nearly as easy as something like Picnic, though--you do 20% more damage and enemies do 20% less damage, but that's all that changes I think. Having started with EO4 myself, EO5's Advanced feels about right for difficulty. It's not quite as punishing as EO2U could be on its hard mode. As for things to know:
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Nov 9, 2017 21:13
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So Dragoon is the Fortress from 4 then? What's the intended tank class if Dragoons are suppose to be backline?
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:So Dragoon is the Fortress from 4 then? What's the intended tank class if Dragoons are suppose to be backline? They're not supposed to be backline, is what I mean. They can be, but it's generally better to use them in the front line because, well, they're tanks and the front line gets hit more often. One of their possible specializations, focusing on their gun attacks, can do more damage from the front row, too. But they have multiple ways to tank, including using summons to tank hits. Oh yeah, that's another change: multiple classes can summon, and summons have their own special row, unlike in EO3. Dragoons can place bunkers and turrets; Rovers have a falcon and/or hound pet; Necromancers summon wraiths that they destroy to use most of their skills. Rover and Necromancer summons persist between fights and can be summoned outside of battle, too. EDIT: Oh, and other possible tanks include Fencers (they have a dodge-tank specialization), and possibly Necromancer summons, though they can't tank for super long and are mostly just to provide a little bit of cover in an emergency I think. Harrow fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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A couple other things:
EDIT: Also, in regards to the new forging system, if you see a weapon with something like "STR up" or a skill name grayed out, that means that effect is locked until you forge the weapon at least to +1. Going higher than that increases the stat boost or skill level, in addition to the weapon's stats. TheOneAndOnlyT fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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