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Frabba posted:Ultimately, Dem-leaning independents are unlikely to be as forgiving of a shutdown as those who lean to the right. I agree with not pushing for one. I just don't think they're always losers like you suggested. Yeah you’re right I was misremembering how the shutdown in the ‘90s played out. We’re already seeing the popular Senators move to take a hard line on the issue. At this point it’s just a matter of calling all the unpopular ones and telling them to join the club.
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awesmoe posted:The most relevant to the women he abused, or...? Not sure what you're asking, i just found it kinda funny that they'd need to put in a disclaimer that the wapo is owned by a GLOBALIST when the story has nothing to do with that.
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Mister Fister posted:Not sure what you're asking, i just found it kinda funny that they'd need to put in a disclaimer that the wapo is owned by a GLOBALIST. Shut the gently caress up lmao. Edit: oh my god you quoted the Breitbart article not the WaPo one I’m a moron lmao Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Mister Fister posted:Not sure what you're asking, i just found it kinda funny that they'd need to put in a disclaimer that the wapo is owned by a GLOBALIST when the story has nothing to do with that. This thread is so hosed that I legitimately still dont know whether you are decrying the fact that wapo is owned by bezos, or that you're pointing out that breitbart is pointing out that wapo is owned by bezos. RIP, thread.
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awesmoe posted:This thread is so hosed that I legitimately still dont know whether you are decrying the fact that wapo is owned by bezos, or that you're pointing out that breitbart is pointing out that wapo is owned by bezos. RIP, thread. Really? It was obvious the latter. Edit, actually it wasn't even the latter, the thing that was weird to me was how they were pointing out that he was a globalist in a story about sexual misconduct, as if it was some sort of relevant disclosure. Mister Fister fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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awesmoe posted:This thread is so hosed that I legitimately still dont know whether you are decrying the fact that wapo is owned by bezos, or that you're pointing out that breitbart is pointing out that wapo is owned by bezos. RIP, thread. Wapo being owned by bezos sucks, just like bezos Breitbart pointing it out is p lol though
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A disembodied voice whispers “political machines,” and you turn to see the malicious ghost of Boss Tweed run around the corner.
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Paula's opponent is joe manchin, the shitbird who sides with republicans against his own party half the time. Super awesome of schumer to back traitors like him
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joe manchin throws a temper tantrumquote:But as the town hall conversation got chippy — and activists on the call brought up points of disagreement with the senator — Manchin exclaimed, “What you ought to do is vote me out. Vote me out! I’m not changing. Find somebody else who can beat me and vote me out." this is the guy the dnc is putting their thumbs on the scale for.
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Christ. Does anyone not in their jurisdictions have any means of pressuring people like Schumer or Perez?
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Talmonis posted:Christ. Does anyone not in their jurisdictions have any means of pressuring people like Schumer or Perez? but Talmonis, I'm assured that if we try to change their minds they might dig in, and become even more recalictrant
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Ze Pollack posted:but Talmonis, I'm assured that if we try to change their minds they might dig in, and become even more recalictrant Cerebral Bore posted:Sounds like outside agitation to me, and we can't have that, now can we? Oh good, the oh so helpful "allies" return. Don't you have a college campus you're supposed to be annoying with badly typed literature?
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Talmonis posted:Oh good, the oh so helpful "allies" return. Don't you have a college campus you're supposed to be annoying with badly typed literature?  wowany other rightwing attacks you want to trot out?
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Talmonis posted:Oh good, the oh so helpful "allies" return. Don't you have a college campus you're supposed to be annoying with badly typed literature? As mentioned you're not an ally, you're just an obstacle that needs to be moved out of the way.
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https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/928734720615120896 i love keith ellison so muchedit: this is what he's talking about https://twitter.com/RoseAnnDeMoro/status/928411303135215621 Condiv fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Keith owns p. hard, yeah.
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Condiv posted:joe manchin throws a temper tantrum Manchin is a democrat who's skating by on incumbency advantage. The party doesn't believe a new democrat could win the seat, so they're doing everything they can to keep Manchin there. But I feel like you probably already know this.
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Chilichimp posted:Manchin is a democrat who's skating by on incumbency advantage. The party doesn't believe a new democrat could win the seat, so they're doing everything they can to keep Manchin there. so it's totally ok for the party to rig primaries if they deem it necessary? are you really trying to argue this? theCalamity posted:Shouldn’t the party remain neutral? apparently that's not pragmatic enough
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it is important that the democratic party prevent primaries from the left by any means necessary also, if the left wants to be heard, they need to win primaries also, the democrats are not the enemies of the left, why would you say such a thing
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Condiv posted:so it's totally ok for the party to rig primaries if they deem it necessary? are you really trying to argue this? No. I'm just pointing out that's why they're doing it.
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Chilichimp posted:No. I'm just pointing out that's why they're doing it. who gives a poo poo why they're rigging a primary?
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Cerebral Bore posted:The Dem establishment has absolutely no idea about who is electable and who isn't, though. This is the absolute truth. Who looked at John Kerry and thought that he could win? It's like none of these people learned the basic laws of respect and charisma in high school. Or maybe my high school was different from other people's but the earnest nerd ALWAYS LOST.
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Jesus Christ. Judge Roy Moore is a pedophile and this could potentially flip the senate from R to D next year and yall just go, "won't matter lol", and get back to bitching about democrats.
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Yeah I agree democrats should't be allowed to support and fundraise for a sitting democratic U.S. senator, that would be loving insane.
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7c Nickel posted:Jesus Christ. Judge Roy Moore is a pedophile and this could potentially flip the senate from R to D next year and yall just go, "won't matter lol", and get back to bitching about democrats. It won't matter, because it's loving Alabama and this state is terrible.
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Ogmius815 posted:Yeah I agree democrats should't be allowed to support and fundraise for a sitting democratic U.S. senator, that would be loving insane. they shouldn't while he's in the middle of a primary. this is democracy 101 kinda stuff. the party should remain neutral during the selection of its candidates so the strongest one can be chosen
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Condiv posted:they shouldn't while he's in the middle of a primary. this is democracy 101 kinda stuff. the party should remain neutral during the selection of its candidates so the strongest one can be chosen Historically speaking, this is not actually true when it comes to primary challenges to incumbents. In the vast majority of cases, the party supports the incumbent, as they are already holding the seat. It is usual for the party to remain neutral if there is no incumbent, which is why 2016 was abnormal. The situation in West Virginia is more typical of what usually occurs.
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Brony Car posted:This is the absolute truth. Who looked at John Kerry and thought that he could win? It's like none of these people learned the basic laws of respect and charisma in high school. yeah but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6i-gYRAwM0
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Condiv posted:who gives a poo poo why they're rigging a primary? Who gives a poo poo if you don't give a poo poo? It's a loving discussion thread.
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Lightning Knight posted:Historically speaking, this is not actually true when it comes to primary challenges to incumbents. In the vast majority of cases, the party supports the incumbent, as they are already holding the seat. that's hosed up, sorry. rigging the election for a traitor like manchin is beyond the pale
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7c Nickel posted:Jesus Christ. Judge Roy Moore is a pedophile and this could potentially flip the senate from R to D next year and yall just go, "won't matter lol", and get back to bitching about democrats. I get that you're mad about people criticizing your political idols, but you could try to pick something more pertinent to justify your complaining about complaining.
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Condiv posted:they shouldn't while he's in the middle of a primary. this is democracy 101 kinda stuff. the party should remain neutral during the selection of its candidates so the strongest one can be chosen No that's really dumb. Fundraising for incumbents during their term is incredibly important and a bar on doing it before the primary would cripple the congressional campaign operations generally.
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Chilichimp posted:Who gives a poo poo if you don't give a poo poo? It's a loving discussion thread. i mean, why are you even trying to justify it? it's unjustifiable at this point, especially wrt a traitor like manchin who voted for sessions
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theCalamity posted:Shouldn’t the party remain neutral? The West Virginia Democratic Party? Yes. The West Virginia Federation of Democratic Women? Not unles they want to. Chuck Schumer? Not unless he wants to. the evidence of “rigging” here is literally stickers on tables, and we don’t have any indication who placed them. Like if the WV Democratic Party precluded Swearingen from putting stickers on tables, but allowed Manchin to put stickers on tables, that’s bad. Is there any indication that’s what happened? We want the party to be neutral during the primary. But we also want the party to support democrats during their term in office. There’s an inherent tension there. Like maybe the party should stop outwardly supporting the elected democrat X months before the primary election, but they shouldn’t stop years before the election just because some nice lady with an ironic name announced her intent to run in the primary.
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