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sirtommygunn posted:Twice in a row you not only dodge my post with insults but create an entirely different argument to shove in my mouth instead, bravo! Your post completely forgot the context of the discussion and was thus dumb as all gently caress. I asked you to clarify and all you've got is more lovely burn attempts. Lol at you calling my argument bad faith you poo poo. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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botany posted:i don't see a verrit code sooooo...  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nevvy Z posted:Your post completely forgot the context of the discussion and was thus dumb as all gently caress. I asked you to clarify and all you've got is more lovely burn attempts. Lol at you calling my argument bad faith you poo poo. You might want to try a different approach rather than going for the exact same insult -> make up argument tactic over and over.
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"You aren't addressing my post! You aren't addressing my post!" loving corncob.
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loving lmao alright pack it in boys the DNC is bad and Condiv is right because the photoshop game is with him. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nevvy Z posted:"You aren't addressing my post! You aren't addressing my post!" Reversing the steps of your dumbass strategy isn't the solution Nevvy.
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Hey as a non-american living in the US, I'm wondering about this tax reform bill that royally fucks me over. Will it get passed? If it does, when would it apply? Thank you.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Hey as a non-american living in the US, I'm wondering about this tax reform bill that royally fucks me over. Will it get passed? If it does, when would it apply? supposedly it's doa
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Hey as a non-american living in the US, I'm wondering about this tax reform bill that royally fucks me over. Will it get passed? If it does, when would it apply? I think Tax changes would go into effect for the tax year 2018, which you would be filing in early 2019.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Hey as a non-american living in the US, I'm wondering about this tax reform bill that royally fucks me over. Will it get passed? If it does, when would it apply? It's possible that it passes, but it currently appears unlikely. The House of Representatives has a large ultraconservative wing that has a lot of power, while the Senate has a number of moderate Republicans who don't want to vote for the mess of a bill likely to appear. The bill is Very Bad, raises taxes on middle-lower income people to finance a tax cut for the wealthy and corporations. Currently it's looking like, if it passes, it would be implemented throughout the 2018-2019 period, but the specifics of that I'm not as clear on. Unfortunately, because you presumably cannot vote (I'm assuming you don't have citizenship?) your ability to lobby congresspeople is limited. I suggest you look for pressure groups in your area.
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teen witch posted:Is there a thread for this Liberals vs. Leftists Grudgeamania 2k17 that isn’t USPol? yes, explicitly. probations coming soon
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Quick question: I live in a congressional district with a 'moderate/centrist' democrat (NY 26th, Brian Higgins). Anyone know a good place to hunt for people running to primary him from the left I can donate/volunteer to?
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Mukaikubo posted:Quick question: I live in a congressional district with a 'moderate/centrist' democrat (NY 26th, Brian Higgins). Anyone know a good place to hunt for people running to primary him from the left I can donate/volunteer to? https://ballotpedia.org/New_York%27s_26th_Congressional_District_election_(2018_Democratic_primary) It doesn't appear that anyone has declared yet, or at least that I can find via Google. I'm not familiar with New York geography, but you should call these people. http://www.socialists.nyc/ In the meantime, call your rep and bug him! Tell him you want to support a primary challenger to him because he's not responsive to his base. Then get your other left-wing friends to do the same.
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Mukaikubo posted:Quick question: I live in a congressional district with a 'moderate/centrist' democrat (NY 26th, Brian Higgins). Anyone know a good place to hunt for people running to primary him from the left I can donate/volunteer to? Is Brian Higgins that bad?
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Mukaikubo posted:Quick question: I live in a congressional district with a 'moderate/centrist' democrat (NY 26th, Brian Higgins). Anyone know a good place to hunt for people running to primary him from the left I can donate/volunteer to? justice dems, democratic socialists of america, our revolution, political revolution you might even run. lee carter didn't seem to be an experienced politician, and now he's a member of the house of delegates similarly, a bunch of teachers and such have run in oklahoma recently and won office Condiv fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Brony Car posted:Is Brian Higgins that bad? No, actually, but I'd like to see him at least pushed to the left via a primary challenger. It's a safe dem district, so why not push and prod further left where we can? Thanks for the other responses, though, I'll send out some emails. As for running myself- heh, maybe after I've lived here more than 14 months.
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steinrokkan posted:Heh, so people who got screwed by the DNC death cult should shut up because of some hypothetical counterfactuals that live in your head? That is an argument straight from Milo's textbook. “Screwed by the DNC death cult” here meaning the West Virginia Democratic Party may or may not have put some stickers supporting a Democratic senator on a table at a fundraiser. Swearingen announced her candidacy a year before the democratic primary. Does that mean the WV Democratic Party shouldn’t be able to fundraise or ever say nice things about Manchin during that time? And if not, what if she’d announced her candidacy in 2016? 2015? The Democratic Party infrastructure has a purpose beyond your fever dreams of coopting a viable party and your need for a convenient villain to constantly explain your losses.
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JeffersonClay posted:“Screwed by the DNC death cult” here meaning the West Virginia Democratic Party may or may not have put some stickers supporting a Democratic senator on a table at a fundraiser. It's clear that they mean during the time period when electioneering by the candidates themselves is allowed. Though if the DNC sent fliers out against you the day before the MA primary, I'm sure we'd all support it. Your point about the source if the stickers remains uncontested though.
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Interview with Tim Shorrock, providing interesting details on N. Korea and the history of US relations with them, as well as Neo-Con positioning for war, etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HCjnLeOpXc Also having read through a whole bunch of the discussion on Prison Labor and Slavery, I don't think I heard anyone point out the Thirteenth Amendment's clause/exemption for prisoners and their relation to it. In that Prisoners can be enslaved, and if you think that's not what happening right now in the country, what with the proportion of black males entering the prison industrial complex, you're pretty delusional. That's a clause that needs to go and a practice that needs to end.
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Kokoro Wish posted:Interview with Tim Shorrock, providing interesting details on N. Korea and the history of US relations with them, as well as Neo-Con positioning for war, etc: But what does this tell us about the new Warframe?
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Kokoro Wish posted:That it's better than Destiny. lmao true dat. The messy intra-progressive fight in Charlottesville offers lessons for Democrats across the country. By Dahlia Lithwick, of Slate. quote:Long before the Aug. 12 protest, people like Nikuyah Walker were searing in their criticism of Charlottesville’s City Council, which was accused of selling a rosy fiction about the town as a “world-class city” or the “capital of the Resistance.” Walker, who is a black woman, on Tuesday became the first independent to win a City Council seat since 1948. This upset would have been unthinkable a year earlier. Walker not only defeated a Democrat, Amy Laufer, but also explicitly ran on a platform of “unmasking the reality” of a town in which affordable housing is all but vanishing and services and education for poor and minority citizens are still lacking. Walker has a long background in advocacy and social service and had been challenging the City Council to reckon with its own failures, especially around race and class, for months. Walker was one of a small army of citizens who took over a council meeting after the Aug. 12 rally to excoriate the mayor, Mike Signer, for perceived failures to adequately prepare for and respond to the threats from neo-Nazi Richard Spencer and his followers. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Lightning Knight posted:It's possible that it passes, but it currently appears unlikely. The House of Representatives has a large ultraconservative wing that has a lot of power, while the Senate has a number of moderate Republicans who don't want to vote for the mess of a bill likely to appear. The bill is Very Bad, raises taxes on middle-lower income people to finance a tax cut for the wealthy and corporations. Currently it's looking like, if it passes, it would be implemented throughout the 2018-2019 period, but the specifics of that I'm not as clear on. Yeah I'm not a citizen. I'm here on a F1 visa for grad school. These tax changes make it so our tuition supplement becomes taxable, effectively taxing us double on our already low income. For example, I get a 18500 per year stipend and my school give me free tuition worth about 20,000 a year. My taxes are roughly 3000 a year. These tax changes would make it so I get taxed as if I was earning 38500 income (making me pay 7000$ a year in taxes, 40% of my income!). Graduate students all live pretty close to the poverty line. This is going to make a lot of our lives unlivable, especially foreigners like me who airnt legally allowed to work outside the university.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Yeah I'm not a citizen. I'm here on a F1 visa for grad school. These tax changes make it so our tuition supplement becomes taxable, effectively taxing us double on our already low income. For example, I get a 18500 per year stipend and my school give me free tuition worth about 20,000 a year. My taxes are roughly 3000 a year. These tax changes would make it so I get taxed as if I was earning 38500 income (making me pay 7000$ a year in taxes, 40% of my income!). Graduate students all live pretty close to the poverty line. This is going to make a lot of our lives unlivable, especially foreigners like me who airnt legally allowed to work outside the university. Oh yeah I heard about that part, yeah that would be very bad too. Basically everything about this bill is a disaster in the making, like everything the Republican Party touches. I hope your experience in the US hasn't been ruined by finding out how many of us are shitters.  Definitely find it if there are campus organizations doing anything to try and mount resistance, contact representatives, etc.
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Would the taxable tuition nonsense apply to student athletes and their 'free' education or are they just trying to gently caress grad students? I haven't been in grad school for 15 years now, and it's depressing to see that the pay hasn't increased since then; although maybe that stipend is different from being a teaching fellow?
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Lightning Knight posted:lmao true dat. This is why I gag whenever I hear an establishment Dem condemn the left for its huge, terrible, so much worse than ours racial blind spot. Nevvy Z posted:No you are right giving the republicans a 50/50 chamber while they have the VP won't definitely give them power that was a bad assumption. This is a blatant false dichotomy. We, as voters, are not restricted to choosing between conservative Democrats and unabashedly fascistic Republicans, nor should we be. Majorian fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:This is a blatant false dichotomy. We, as voters, are not restricted to choosing between conservative Democrats and unabashedly fascistic Republicans, nor should we be. That's what primaries are for. The general is a time to make sure that the winner is the person who most closely aligns with your interests. Unless those interests are fascism, I don't think it's a close call. Niton fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Niton posted:That's what primaries are for. The general is a time to make sure that the winner is the person who most closely aligns with your interests. Who is arguing otherwise? sirtommygunn doesn't seem to be saying anything contrary to this. What's being discussed is Nevvy's strange doubling-down on the discredited belief that left-wing candidates can't win elections.
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Niton posted:That's what primaries are for. The general is a time to make sure that the winner is the person who most closely aligns with your interests. Unless those interests are fascism, I don't think it's a close call. too bad people seem to think it's ok to rig primaries, so in reality it's never time to move left. incumbent, treacherous dems like joe manchin are supported by hook or by crook throughout the primary, stifling chances for positive change, and then we're supposed to vote for him in the general cause he's the lesser, permanent evil
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So wait dont Republicans only have a one vote majority in the Senate? If they lose Sessions/pedo dude's seat wont they basically lose control of the chamber? Also, lol of course centrist Dems are using the win in Virginia to attack the left. I hope Dems take back control of this country soon so I can vote third party in good conscience
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Condiv posted:too bad people seem to think it's ok to rig primaries, so in reality it's never time to move left. incumbent, treacherous dems like joe manchin are supported by hook or by crook throughout the primary, stifling chances for positive change, and then we're supposed to vote for him in the general cause he's the lesser, permanent evil But don't you see, party primaries are, like, private enterprises and can have any rules and that's fine! You can give a bonus million votes for the candidate with the nicest chin and it's still fair, man. Whenever they say "leftists can't win election", what they mean is "leftists shouldn't win elections".
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icantfindaname posted:So wait dont Republicans only have a one vote majority in the Senate? If they lose Sessions/pedo dude's seat wont they basically lose control of the chamber? They still hold tie breaker Pence, so it's only a symbolic victory for now. But it absolutely puts the Senate in play for the midterms. That being said, if Doug Jones wins next month, I'll donate 50 bucks to SPLC 
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Majorian posted:This is a blatant false dichotomy. We, as voters, are not restricted to choosing between conservative Democrats and unabashedly fascistic Republicans, nor should we be. That was about a specific situation, the Lieberman one. Context matters. I really don't think voters were choosing based on the committee seats.
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