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As a kid growing up in the heartland you get the idea that a "gypsy" is something you can choose to be, like, anybody can run away from home and dress up like a fortune teller and join a group of other people who have done the same. I had literally no idea they were a distinct ethnic group for years. I think that's why a lot of Americans struggle with that particular slur.
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Weirdly enough, there's a... kind of equivalent/similar stereotype in the US with carnies, apparently. Though they're more a mix of white trash stereotypes and an odd resurgence of the ancient stereotype of entertainment industry workers being somewhere between beggars and prostitutes.
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Nov 10, 2017 13:32
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Inescapable Duck posted:Weirdly enough, there's a... kind of equivalent/similar stereotype in the US with carnies, apparently. Though they're more a mix of white trash stereotypes and an odd resurgence of the ancient stereotype of entertainment industry workers being somewhere between beggars and prostitutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOSZwEwl_1Q
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Nov 10, 2017 13:36
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Inescapable Duck posted:It doesn't help there's a fair few fantasy settings that more or less literally have gypsies or counterparts as a fantasy race. Sci fi, too  Inescapable Duck posted:Weirdly enough, there's a... kind of equivalent/similar stereotype in the US with carnies, apparently. Though they're more a mix of white trash stereotypes and an odd resurgence of the ancient stereotype of entertainment industry workers being somewhere between beggars and prostitutes. The difference is that carnival worker isn't a race
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Nov 10, 2017 14:10
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It's confused by the fact that Roma and Irish Travellers are both often called gypsies and there's definitely crossover between the traveller community and 'carnies'. Whether or not travellers are a race is irrelevant. They're recognised as a distinct ethnic group who experience routine prejudice and discrimination, which is often defended or overlooked because they happen to have light skin.
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Nov 10, 2017 14:19
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Hitler also tried to wipe them out too. People usually forget that.
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Nov 10, 2017 14:21
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Ziv Zulander posted:The difference is that carnival worker isn't a race He knows. The point is in America there's a cultural idea that gypsies are basically carnies and there's not necessarily an exact racial connotation. For a really long time they were portrayed in pop culture as mysterious backwards thieves/fortune tellers who ran travelling fairs and carnivals and could be most any race or mix of races
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Nov 10, 2017 14:32
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I honestly never made the connection between gypsies and "gypped" until I was expressly told because I had never seen it written down until I saw people posting about it online. I always thought it was spelled "jipped" and was never curious enough to look up its origins since it wasn't a phrase I heard used very often. The only one I can think of is actually that Weird Al song. Not race related, but Weird Al also had a song called "Christmas at Ground Zero", which was about Christmas being celebrated in a nuclear wasteland. It was released during the cold war. People a little while back that heard it for the first time, though, were offended that Al would write a song that was insensitive to the 9/11 attacks, since the area was called Ground Zero basically until the new tower was built.
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Nov 10, 2017 16:13
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Gertrude Perkins posted:There's also the much more recent Word Crimes, where he uses the word "spastic", which is absoluely a "no don't do this" slur against disabled people in many places, especially the UK. It's absolutely not like that in North America though, and it leads to some pretty hideous misunderstandings. Like that scene in Clerks 2. I'm better now though.
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Nov 10, 2017 16:13
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Avenging_Mikon posted:It's absolutely not like that in North America though, and it leads to some pretty hideous misunderstandings. Like that scene in Clerks 2. Yeah in the US at least spaz or being spastic has always just meant "someone with way too much energy or who overreacts to everything" although we don't really call someone "a spastic" so that term pretty much just doesn't exist here
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Nov 10, 2017 16:33
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If I can't talk about how I hate fags you can't call people spastics.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:52
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sassassin posted:If I can't talk about how I hate fags you can't call people spastics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqeatUvRu68
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Nov 10, 2017 17:53
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Inescapable Duck posted:Weirdly enough, there's a... kind of equivalent/similar stereotype in the US with carnies, apparently. Though they're more a mix of white trash stereotypes and an odd resurgence of the ancient stereotype of entertainment industry workers being somewhere between beggars and prostitutes. as a child, i literally thought gypsy and carnie were synonymous, and it wasn't until learning about ww2 in middle school that i found out gypsies were something different. luckily i had that context when i watched the episode of macgyver where he befriended a gypsy child, because the stereotypes here are so similar that i don't know that i would have noticed right away
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Nov 10, 2017 18:15
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Absurd Alhazred posted:With today's environment he'd best hedge his bets by starring in two films: Why make it two films? Hanks has the range to play both characters simultaneously. Just dig into Mazes and Monsters and Bosom Buddies for for assets to CG up "young Hanks" flashback scenes.
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Nov 10, 2017 19:23
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To be fair to Al apparently IIRC he didn't know at the time that spastic was a slur and avoids that song as a result.
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Nov 10, 2017 19:29
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So “spastic” (and maybe also “spaz”) is off the table? Can I at least still use “crazy-pants” or?
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Nov 10, 2017 19:32
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If you're speaking to Americans, it's A-OK to say "spastic" because it's not a slur in American English. If you're speaking to people from a Commonwealth country or the UK, it's bad mojo. If you don't know your audience It's probably best to avoid it.
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Nov 10, 2017 20:07
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So when Frank Zappa sang "Thanks to Freddie, I'm a sexual spastic" was that an offensive song or politically correct song?
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Nov 10, 2017 20:20
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psychopomp posted:Why make it two films? Hanks has the range to play both characters simultaneously. Just dig into Mazes and Monsters and Bosom Buddies for for assets to CG up "young Hanks" flashback scenes. We were talking about Eddie Murphy, which is even more appropriate, considering he's become famous for multiple characters in the same film. But they have to be two separate movies because the whole gag is that the people who would vote "yes" on one are the ones who would vote "no" on the other. We don't want to give them any kind of ambiguity, otherwise they'll vote for something else.
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Nov 10, 2017 20:39
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lemon-lyme disease posted:So “spastic” (and maybe also “spaz”) is off the table? Can I at least still use “crazy-pants” or? It'd make more sense to you if you'd seen it in action as a playground insult. There was a whole pantomime of extreme cerebral palsy symptoms to go along with it, including gurning and noises. In my area we'd call it the spacker dance. All very well for an eight year old in the eighties but definitely not something to bring into adulthood!
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Nov 10, 2017 20:42
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Ya know how people in the UK and Australia are absolutely befuddled that Americans have such an aversion to the C word? It's basically the inverse to that.
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Nov 10, 2017 21:14
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Yeah I'm not going to go off at an American for a 'spaz' at all, but they better keep their hands off my oval office. I need that.
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Nov 10, 2017 21:34
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ItsDisposable posted:Yeah I'm not going to go off at an American for a 'spaz' at all, but they better keep their hands off my oval office. I need that. You should be fine as long as you stay away from the white house.
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Nov 10, 2017 21:40
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Ariong posted:You should be fine as long as you stay away from the white house. And any and all celebrities
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Nov 10, 2017 21:41
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On second thought, maybe you should just hold off on visiting for a while.
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Nov 10, 2017 21:43
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Ariong posted:On second thought, maybe you should just hold off on visiting for a while. won't be any better off at home possibly worse
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Nov 10, 2017 21:51
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It's a good song so I kinda wish it still got airtime but welp
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Dejawesp posted:So when Frank Zappa sang "Thanks to Freddie, I'm a sexual spastic" was that an offensive song or politically correct song?  If you know the context of the line, I think you know the answer to that question. I love so much of Zappa's music but then so much of it really makes me uncomfortable
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CommonShore posted:
"Shut Up n' Play Yer Guitar" isn't just a clever title, it's what most people would prefer
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Skip to 2:50 to hear the song "Spaz" getting pulled off the air https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9qJ5_z6dx4
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Nov 10, 2017 23:43
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The BBC banned a song called Spasticus Autisticus, even though it was written by a disabled guy in protest of the patronising treatment given to disabled people. https://youtu.be/6isXNVdguI8
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lemon-lyme disease posted:So “spastic” (and maybe also “spaz”) is off the table? Can I at least still use “crazy-pants” or? Uh-oh.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG98X8NsMKs
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I'm surprised Dire Straits' "Money For Nothing" still gets as much airplay considering the gay slur in it.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I'm surprised Dire Straits' "Money For Nothing" still gets as much airplay considering the gay slur in it. A lot of the time there will be an odd audio skip on the vocals around that point.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I'm surprised Dire Straits' "Money For Nothing" still gets as much airplay considering the gay slur in it. That's not on the shortened version that gets played the most.
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Long or short version, it’s still been edited out for probably six or seven years at this point anytime I’ve heard it on radio or wherever. They used to just mute the word “human being”, like some songs will mute curse words, but more recently the versions I’ve heard either mute all the vocals in that section or remove it entirely, skipping to the next course.
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Nov 11, 2017 13:25
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Alan Partridge was ahead of it's time https://twitter.com/partridgequotes/status/385407523517636608
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Nov 11, 2017 13:33
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The presence of the word 'human being' doesn't stop loving Fairytale of New York getting played ad nauseam
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Tsaedje posted:The presence of the word 'human being' doesn't stop loving Fairytale of New York getting played ad nauseam yeah but she just sounds so whimsical when she sings it
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