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Dead Reckoning posted:I don't think we have any Russian posters you can ask about which outcome they prefer. I expected you to post a link to Waco tbh
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MA-Horus posted:Harry Truman. Artillery officer in WW1. GHWB was a fighter pilot, so probably him.
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If you think things have been moving to the left since the 70s/80s you're high. The only reason obamacare became a thing was because of the insane rates of price increase in healthcare since the 90s. The country has been moving to the right since WW2 in just about everything other than recognizing that minorities are actually human beings.Proud Christian Mom posted:lol the Democrats lost 1000+ seats nationally while Barack 'Grand Bargain' Obama was in office and the best 'progressive' victory you can find is him passing a two decade old Republican health plan. Centrism has been a disaster for the left and most importantly the vast majority of this country. Everyone who supports this 'status quo' or incremental bullshit should be called out and if they don't change, thrown out. This poo poo is also very stupid. The right has been operating incrementally to their benefit for nearly a century. The idea that revolution is the only way forward just feeds into people's fear of change and uncertainty as to what constitutes good policy. You're literally doing the work of your opposition when you advocate for stupid poo poo like this Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Proud Christian Mom posted:lol the Democrats lost 1000+ seats nationally while Barack 'Grand Bargain' Obama was in office and the best 'progressive' victory you can find is him passing a two decade old Republican health plan. Centrism has been a disaster for the left and most importantly the vast majority of this country. Everyone who supports this 'status quo' or incremental bullshit should be called out and if they don't change, thrown out. You seem retarded, can we organise an orange bus?
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well I mean Eisenhower was loving Supreme Allied Commander. That has to be the max for "responsible for most enemies killed" you can get even if indirectly.
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Zeroisanumber posted:GHWB was a fighter pilot, so probably him. He flew a torpedo bomber, not a fighter.
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Like how many decades of a losing strategy is it going to take before you go 'huh maybe voting GOP-lite isn't actually going to move the party left in any form or fashion'
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McNally posted:He flew a torpedo bomber, not a fighter. Sorry As part of the #MeToo campaign, in late October 2017, actress Heather Lind accused Bush of inappropriately touching her and telling an inappropriate joke during an event promoting the TV series Turn: Washington's Spies. Lind wrote in an Instagram post that Bush "touched me from behind from his wheelchair with his wife Barbara Bush by his side. He told me a dirty joke. And then, all the while being photographed, he touched me again." Her post was later deleted. Also in late October 2017, actress Jordana Grolnick said that Bush had groped her rear and told a dirty joke while she was being photographed with him and others. At this point, a spokesman for Bush said, "At age 93, President Bush has been confined to a wheelchair for roughly five years, so his arm falls on the lower waist of people with whom he takes pictures. To try to put people at ease, the president routinely tells the same joke — and on occasion, he has patted women's rears in what he intended to be a good-natured manner. Some have seen it as innocent; others clearly view it as inappropriate. To anyone he has offended, President Bush apologizes most sincerely." Slightly later in the month, also as part of the #MeToo campaign, Christina Baker Kline penned an essay published by Slate magazine in which she accused Bush of inappropriately touching her and telling an inappropriate joke while she posed for a photo with him during an April 2014 event benefiting the Barbara Bush Foundation for Family Literacy. She further stated that her chauffeur overheared her tell the story to her husband and requested that she remain "discreet" about the incident.[286] After Kline's accusation, former Maine Republican state Senate candidate Amanda Staples said in late October 2017 that Bush "grabbed my butt and joked saying ‘Oh, I’m not THAT President'", while she was visiting him at his home at Walker's point.After Staples' accusation, Liz Allen, a former journalist and Erie City Council candidate, claimed (still in late October 2017, also as part of the #MeToo campaign) that Bush behaved in a similar manner towards her in 2004, before he began using a wheelchair. Turns out he was hard af all gently caress but a bit rapey too. Yay Army?
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Your Battle Buddy posted:He was USN Cool, those guys are strange.
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Your Battle Buddy posted:He was USN Was he at Tailhook? Confirm/deny?
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 redneck nazgul posted:I expected you to post a link to Waco tbh Proud Christian Mom posted:Like how many decades of a losing strategy is it going to take before you go 'huh maybe voting GOP-lite isn't actually going to move the party left in any form or fashion' Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Handsome Ralph posted:Was he at Tailhook? Confirm/deny? lol
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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:Have a read of this whole article if you want Pro-click, if only for the picture of the libertarian responsible for it all.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:This poo poo is also very stupid. The right has been operating incrementally to their benefit for nearly a century. The right can afford to operate incrementally as they are the conservative party. Their messaging relies on "remember how good it was when..." which is easier for people to believe in "This is how good it will be when..."
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Proud Christian Mom posted:lol the Democrats lost 1000+ seats nationally while Barack 'Grand Bargain' Obama was in office and the best 'progressive' victory you can find is him passing a two decade old Republican health plan. Centrism has been a disaster for the left and most importantly the vast majority of this country. Everyone who supports this 'status quo' or incremental bullshit should be called out and if they don't change, thrown out. Political strategy and policy are two completely unrelated things. Democrats thought they could ride national politics after their wins in 2006 and 2008. Republicans knew that they had abandoned state and local races and rode that to victory over conservative anger of Obama's progressive policies. In fact, the key rallying point was the passage of Obamacare. If you think that this voting block would have supported even more left-wing policies, then I don't know what to tell you. If the left-wing portion of the Democratic party couldn't even convince the majority of Democrats to vote for their candidate in 2016, what makes you think they'd be successful in center-right districts? Leftists can keep attempting to sabotage incremental change, but it's going to keep getting them more Donald Trumps and Roy Moores. And it's hard to imagine a world where leftist policies have a better chance of getting passed with people like those two in power.
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As a father of a daughter I just want to say that I think that any situation that they are in an exposed position and need to be felt up by old men is loving unaceptable.
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Having liberals bregrudingly rally behind a centrist democrat for three decades has continually reduced progressive voter turnout. The "undecided likely voter" is a weird polling black hole because a hell of a lot of young liberals don't get counted as likely voters because they don't show support for either major party. So you get lower voter turnout for the democrats while the polling Democratic Party affiliate use show slight gains into the undecideds. If nothing else trump has shown that there are millions of people willing to vote for the first time in a long time for anything other than the status quo. Bernie had a glimmer of the same thing among liberals, drawing a new and young voting base. Centrism really has been a cancer on the Democratic Party. Conservatives have become democrats because things will remain as they are, maybe with a token slow slide toward liberalism. Meanwhile the originally conservative GOP has been pulling voters from the previously low turnout evangelical and alt-right who go all in on anti-abortion and loving over poor people, and many conservatives associated with the GOP for years ride along to the far right. Even though the GOP is no longer a conservative platform so much as it is a regressive one. Yet for years team players like McCain and Graham stayed the course because despite the policy changes it kept the votes coming. Drawing deeper and deeper from the well of toxic racists resulted in the most viable candidates being the Roy Moores and the Gillespies If the Democrats attempt to run lowest common denominator old white men in 2018 and 2020, they seriously risk loss of even more of the motivated liberal base that exists right now. For the same reason middle road conservatives have been pulled right by momentum, the core democratic base will be dragged liberal by progressive politics because it's pretty obvious they won't become republican voters. Meanwhile you'll pick up huge chunks of voting youths and minorities by actually favoring progressiveness. That's what just happened in the Virginia statehouse.
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psydude posted:Leftists can keep attempting to sabotage incremental change, but it's going to keep getting them more Donald Trumps and Roy Moores. And it's hard to imagine a world where leftist policies have a better chance of getting passed with people like those two in power. I don't get this. Hillary Clinton ran as a centrist, business as usual democrat, and didn't win, so obviously that means radical progressiveness had no chance?
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KildarX posted:I don't get this. Hillary Clinton ran as a centrist, business as usual democrat, and didn't win, so obviously that means radical progressiveness had no chance? Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate with the right policies. If literally anyone else had been running in her place with her platform, we probably wouldn't be having this debate.
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M_Gargantua posted:Having liberals bregrudingly rally behind a centrist democrat for three decades has continually reduced progressive voter turnout. The "undecided likely voter" is a weird polling black Democrats ran a boring centrist white male for the governor of Virginia and he won the largest number of votes in history and tied for the highest margin in modern times. The candidates that got elected to the house ranged from ultra-liberal to center-left. The reality of the electorate and their core concerns (Trump and healthcare) don't support your argument, and the results outright contradict it. Maybe nationally Democrats could benefit from a liberal firebrand, but on a local and district level, they need candidates that can play to the constituency. These races matter far more to retaining control of the government than whoever is in the whitehouse. See: Obama. psydude fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Tailhook also have us another incredibly prescient Simpson's moment. Naval officer posted:Seaman Simpson, your actions have given the Navy a black eye from which it may never recover. I would throw the book at you, but I've been indicted on the Tailhook scandal. Goodbye!
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Whoever runs in 2020 needs to do three things. First is to have an actual plan for something they plan to accomplish that is going to have tangible benefits to our society and be able to explain what they plan to do, how they plan to do it, and how it benefits everyone. If you can't explain to voters why universal health care is important and how BLUE COLLAR WORKERS not having to retire at 40 because their knees go out and they don't have health care then you should be taken out back and shot in the head. Second, they need people that can passionately and articulately defend their positions and attack the awful positions of the GOP. Get more spokespeople for fucks sake. Get people on TV to talk about civic responsibilities, get a pastor that isn't crazy to point out how wanting people to die of preventable diseases because they're poor is in fact not christian. Let Biden, Franken etc off the chain before Trump gets reelected, not after. Third, don't get bogged down in the GOP's culture war. "we have old people dying of preventable diseases and young people ODing before they can ever contribute to the work force, and you want to talk about where transgender people poo poo? Listen, I don't like to sit by anyone when I use the bathroom and prefer to go at home. I'm running for president because I want to accomplish X, not because I want to dictate where people pee and poo."
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ManMythLegend posted:It's way worse because there's no way it was going to be Flynn and Flynn Jr in ski masks with a van. It's a shame it wasn't this cuz it would make for one loving hell of a funny scene when the movie inevitably drops.
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CDC reporting that opioid deaths among vets have killed more than the combined wars of Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
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Wasabi the J posted:Tailhook also have us another incredibly prescient Simpson's moment. 
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psydude posted:Democrats ran a boring centrist white male for the governor of Virginia and he won the largest number of votes in history and tied for the highest margin in modern times. The candidates that got elected to the house ranged from ultra-liberal to center-left. The reality of the electorate and their core concerns (Trump and healthcare) don't support your argument, and the results outright contradict it. Northam isn't a radical lefty, but let's not pretend that his victory wasn't powered by a major backlash against Trump and Trump-y candidates.
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Syrian Lannister posted:CDC reporting that opioid deaths among vets have killed more than the combined wars of Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Jesus gently caress
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It's pretty dumb to claim that America has been "inching leftward" while wealth inequality has been climbing for 40 years and yet politicians run and win on abolishing the estate tax. Widespread financial fraud caused a worldwide recession and yet (1) no one went to jail and (2) majorities in both houses of Congress are working to repeal the basic consumer protections that were passed in 2010. We have been in the same war for 15 years and just allotted another $700b to the military while at the same time pursuing sweeping tax cuts. We have seen real, substantial progress on civil rights for minority groups, which is what everyone on both sides of the aisle seem to be talking about when they say "the direction this country is heading," but at the same time are cutting food stamps, building more private prisons, waging a War on Drugs, and handing down mandatory minimum and "three strikes" sentences for poo poo like possession and shoplifting. —Oh, and by the way, we elected a senile birther casino owner and reality TV host President.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Northam isn't a radical lefty, but let's not pretend that his victory wasn't powered by a major backlash against Trump and Trump-y candidates. Of course. His point was that running a centrist would depress voter turnout. My point is there's no silver bullet to political strategy. The Democratic party needs to form a coalition of candidates that do well for their district, irrespective of their ideology. It's fun and easy to sit in here and debate about how important ideological purity is for whoever is running in 2020, but none of that matters gently caress all if Dems don't retake a sizeable number of state and local positions, as well as the house, in 2018. That takes a more nuanced approach than screaming about how liberal someone should be. at the date posted:It's pretty dumb to claim that America has been "inching leftward" while wealth inequality has been climbing for 40 years and yet politicians run and win on abolishing the estate tax. Widespread financial fraud caused a worldwide recession and yet (1) no one went to jail and (2) majorities in both houses of Congress are working to repeal the basic consumer protections that were passed in 2010. We have been in the same war for 15 years and just allotted another $700b to the military while at the same time pursuing sweeping tax cuts. We have seen real, substantial progress on civil rights for minority groups, which is what everyone on both sides of the aisle seem to be talking about when they say "the direction this country is heading," but at the same time are cutting food stamps, building more private prisons, waging a War on Drugs, and handing down mandatory minimum and "three strikes" sentences for poo poo like possession and shoplifting. —Oh, and by the way, we elected Donald Trump. You know I do think you bring up a good point, because this is both simultaneously true and untrue for various parts of the country. Many states (almost entirely blue states) have strengthened social welfare programs, while the South and post-industrial Midwest have been gutting them. Civil rights have been simultaneously bolstered and trampled roughly along those same lines. The same goes with drugs, taxation, and everything else. Which I think even further stresses the importance of the DNC supporting state and local races rather than arguing about the Sanders-wing versus the Obama-wing. psydude fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Syrian Lannister posted:CDC reporting that opioid deaths among vets have killed more than the combined wars of Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Happy Veterans Day, everyone! 
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M_Gargantua posted:If the Democrats attempt to run lowest common denominator old white men in 2018 and 2020, they seriously risk loss of even more of the motivated liberal base that exists right now. I'm not sure this animal exists. Part of the reason GOP strategy works is that, whether the candidate is a milquetoast corporate centrist or Roy Moore, their base turns out to make sure a Democrat doesn't get elected. If young leftists are only going to vote for candidates that excite them, rather than being content with the lesser evil, they are going to lose because not every race is going to have a hip, woke candidate. Politics requires a lot of hard work, networking, and compromise. Democrats can't succeed on the backs of a constituency at only turns out when it's fun and exciting.
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Shorter Louis C.K. press release: yep. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/929053426062938112
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facialimpediment posted:Shorter Louis C.K. press release: yep. Huh. I'm actually shocked that he straight up admitted that it's all true and he's a total rear end in a top hat. I'm not sure what to think about that.
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Syrian Lannister posted:CDC reporting that opioid deaths among vets have killed more than the combined wars of Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9ZkYViEIs
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:how long has it been since we had a president that personally killed someone Personally? Teddy Roosevelt. Impersonally? Probably Bush I. If not, Harry Truman. (again, probably) Honorable mention: Grover Cleveland, who as Sheriff Erie County was charged with executions for the County. While the law provided for a hired hangman, and previous Sheriffs had always had a particular Deputy do it (who was getting sick of it), Cleveland felt it was his duty as Sheriff to personally carry out the hangings, which he did twice. (They f'ed up the drop on #2 and it took the guy 20+ minutes to strangle to death. (The law required those executed to be hung from the neck until dead))
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Huh. I'm actually shocked that he straight up admitted that it's all true and he's a total rear end in a top hat. I'm not sure what to think about that. Don't let yourself think too highly of it, like I almost did. That press release was his only move after years of "they're just rumors". https://twitter.com/lisatozzi/status/929063451082870785
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psydude posted:Of course. His point was that running a centrist would depress voter turnout. My point is there's no silver bullet to political strategy. The Democratic party needs to form a coalition of candidates that do well for their district, irrespective of their ideology. It's fun and easy to sit in here and debate about how important ideological purity is for whoever is running in 2020, but none of that matters gently caress all if Dems don't retake a sizeable number of state and local positions, as well as the house, in 2018. That takes a more nuanced approach than screaming about how liberal someone should be. Agreed.
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joat mon posted:Honorable mention: Grover Cleveland, who as Sheriff Erie County was charged with executions for the County. While the law provided for a hired hangman, and previous Sheriffs had always had a particular Deputy do it (who was getting sick of it), Cleveland felt it was his duty as Sheriff to personally carry out the hangings, which he did twice. (They f'ed up the drop on #2 and it took the guy 20+ minutes to strangle to death. (The law required those executed to be hung from the neck until dead))  Life sure was different 150 years ago.
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