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hopeandjoy
Nov 28, 2014



“I can’t believe my JRPG has a lot of cutscenes” - goons

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less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

hopeandjoy posted:

“I can’t believe my JRPG has a lot of cutscenes” - goons

Nah, it’s a legitimate critique. It really diminishes gen VII’s replayability. They should just have made them skippable.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

hopeandjoy posted:

“I can’t believe my JRPG has a lot of cutscenes” - goons

No other pokemon game before has had a lot of cutscenes. X & Y definitely came the closest, but it wasn't nearly as bad, and at least those were about how powerful and smart You, The Player were.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
Long, unskippable cutscenes in the year 2017 is pretty bad.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



less laughter posted:

Nah, it’s a legitimate critique. It really diminishes gen VII’s replayability. They should just have made them skippable.

yea I tried replaying moon and it's really hard to get through all those unskippable cutscenes the second time

the biggest problem imo is how frontloaded they are. there's a bunch of talking before you can really start playing the game

Hustlin Floh
Jul 20, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I hate the Pokemon now

Quotey
Aug 16, 2006

We went out for lunch and then we stopped for some bubble tea.
island 1 and 4 are less game and more visual novel dude. i didn't play gens 4-6 but the first 3 sure weren't like this. it's not fun to sit through. you can have a game with a story and cutscenes but i'm here to bash my pokemon against other ones.

i will say the new cutscene at the altar of the moone is sweet.

also, necrozma just oneshot all my dudes. back to the drawing board i guess!

e: it's not even interesting poo poo either. oh you're lillie, oh hau loves loving eating and granddad. let me show you how to walk 4 feet to get to route 2 10 times. the funny thing is that i've missed like 2 directions just spamming through everything (the electric trial 3rd stage, seen other people saying they did the same). so i just don't pay attention to their story because it goes on so much.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



I like the cutscenes and the characters in s&m but that stuff should really be skippable. at least add a fastforward button

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

hopeandjoy posted:

“I can’t believe my JRPG has a lot of cutscenes” - goons
"I can't believe Pokemon railroads you" - goons who didn't notice that every other gen railroaded you just as bad, it just wasn't obvious about it & you didn't have a minimap pointing out the next point a cutscene would trigger.

do u believe in marigolds
Sep 13, 2007
Can you save before choosing your starter or do you still need to escort Lilly back and talk to the Kahuna?

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
USUM is like the enhanced third versions before them.

The main story is the mostly same aside from forcing the use of new features and the Ultra Recon Squad appearing in a couple spots as neutral characters trying to understand Pokemon battles. After the third island are some slight changes. Lusamine's intentions are instead to save the world from Necrozma, but she still warps with Nebby's power. The story then continues right on to Poni Island with Mina being a little more invested in getting the Sun/Moon flute from Exeggutor Island, taking lines from the village chief.

So by the time you get to the new Ultra Recon Squad/Necrozma content, you've pretty much played Sun and Moon again.

Post-credits you're recruited by the URS to hunt an ultra beast, which is Burst or Assembly depending on the version. After catching them, the events of Episode RR happen.



Post RR Giovanni is shown to have retreated and starts scheming his next plan before warping away.

E: Starter selection is almost imminent and the bridge has a forced battle.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

less laughter posted:

Nah, it’s a legitimate critique. It really diminishes gen VII’s replayability. They should just have made them skippable.

Yeah, and most of the cutscenes aren't even that interesting. They're just an extended form of handholding telling you where to go for the most part. A lot of them could be chopped off to lessen the bloat.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

do u believe in marigolds posted:

Can you save before choosing your starter or do you still need to escort Lilly back and talk to the Kahuna?

You get your starter before you see Lily now and have to fight the Spearow.


Also lol that people complain about the cutscenes here and not the Gen V ones. Good god did those take forever and they happened constantly.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

I think the 3D environments make the cutscenes last longer too. Even if you mash A constantly you can't skip the characters moving around or turning or the camera panning, or the Pokemon animations. It really adds to the bloat.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
The real question wrt clothes is did they bring dresses back

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I want to be a cowboy in these games. I'm gonna make Tauros my starter.

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
Post-game girl lurantis outfit



600,000 Pokemon money each item. Not pictured: pink shoes

Mef989
Feb 6, 2007




Shinjobi posted:

I want to be a cowboy in these games. I'm gonna make Tauros my starter.

Got to go all in: Tauros, Miltank, Bouffalant, Mudsdale, then maybe Mamoswine and Sawsbuck

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Mef989 posted:

Got to go all in: Tauros, Miltank, Bouffalant, Mudsdale, then maybe Mamoswine and Sawsbuck

You're missing the really obvious Radpidash here. And probably Briavary.

Mef989
Feb 6, 2007




Zore posted:

You're missing the really obvious Radpidash here. And probably Briavary.

poo poo, you're right. Don't know how I forgot Rapidash. Is Braivary an eagle? If so, I absolutely agree :911:

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
Braiviary is not only an eagle, it's a red, white, and blue eagle.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
Braviary is a great play on words, but I'm still a little sad we didnt get Warrgle

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Mef989 posted:

poo poo, you're right. Don't know how I forgot Rapidash. Is Braivary an eagle? If so, I absolutely agree :911:

Briavary is a Bald Eagle that has red white and blue feather. Its like America: the Pokemon

also in Japanese Rufflet was literally named after Washington.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Countblanc posted:

Braviary is a great play on words, but I'm still a little sad we didnt get Warrgle

and Junaiper for Decidueye (juniper + sniper)

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
Yeah, some of the more recent pun-names are better than the English versions.

On the other hand: Thunder, Thunders and Blackie (Zapdos, Jolteon, Umbreon)

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Zore posted:

On the other hand: Thunder, Thunders and Blackie (Zapdos, Jolteon, Umbreon)

Hard to feel superior though when the English versions themselves have poo poo like Seel, Golem, Bayleef and Ducklett

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Dehry posted:

Post-game girl lurantis outfit



600,000 Pokemon money each item. Not pictured: pink shoes

Can boys buy a pair of ridiculous strip-ed pants?

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Haifisch posted:

"I can't believe Pokemon railroads you" - goons who didn't notice that every other gen railroaded you just as bad, it just wasn't obvious about it

Yeah this was a good thing. Needing to go find a flute to wake up a sleeping Pokemon is more interesting than 20 gate guards saying "no, you don't have enough merit badges to go down this road."

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer

Internet Kraken posted:

Can boys buy a pair of ridiculous strip-ed pants?

I'm waiting until the actual Pokemon release date to do my legitimate boy playthrough. The hacking tools are in beta and I don't want to lose the shiny Grumpig I just got from the Ultra Wormhole.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Dr. Fetus posted:

Yes. From what it sounds like, the game is nearly identical to Sun and Moon, so they didn't get rid of the railroading, and Lillie is still bad.
Lillie is great!

...but if you don't like her character, yeah, that sounds goddamn agonizing. I thought the Sun Moon plot was great, but I suspect the difference for that is liking Lillie's scenes.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
Lillie is okay but they could of toned down the number of scenes that reinforced how whimpy and worthless she is at the start. She's way better than Hau though who contributes nothing to the story.


Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

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College Slice

Dehry posted:

Post-game girl lurantis outfit



600,000 Pokemon money each item. Not pictured: pink shoes

This is magnificent.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

PetraCore posted:

Lillie is great!

...but if you don't like her character, yeah, that sounds goddamn agonizing. I thought the Sun Moon plot was great, but I suspect the difference for that is liking Lillie's scenes.

From what I've seen, yeah. Talking with a friend, our one difference with how we felt about the plot was entirely about Lillie, and how the plot really goes around her. You're basically a supporting character in her story, at least until Lusamine's beaten, so how you feel about her would make a really big difference.

Internet Kraken posted:

Lillie is okay but they could of toned down the number of scenes that reinforced how whimpy and worthless she is at the start. She's way better than Hau though who contributes nothing to the story.



Yeah, Hau's bad. At least Lillie seems to have more of a spine in USUM from the changes at the beginning of the game at least.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Hau is good. Most characters in gen vii are.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
I enjoyed going on a pokemon journey through Alola with my good friends Lillie and Hau

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Internet Kraken posted:

Lillie is okay but they could of toned down the number of scenes that reinforced how whimpy and worthless she is at the start. She's way better than Hau though who contributes nothing to the story.


Yeah, especially since she was brave enough to put Nebby in the bag and run away from her abusive mother with no game plan for survival after that, which takes massive guts. Having that sort of bravery emphasized could be a boon, I think.


Blaze Dragon posted:

From what I've seen, yeah. Talking with a friend, our one difference with how we felt about the plot was entirely about Lillie, and how the plot really goes around her. You're basically a supporting character in her story, at least until Lusamine's beaten, so how you feel about her would make a really big difference.
That's how I felt about the plot of Black 2 White 2, which I hated. Even though Lillie drives the plot, you're still the one doing most of the stuff, and you're still the one getting credit for stuff you do, so I'm more okay with it. But I was real sick of going to do the obvious thing in B2W2 and getting that dumbass charging ahead of you and shouting at the villains and hogging all the glory. Intolerable.

I am fine having a nice time with my friends Lillie and Hau, I am not fine with getting all my agency in-game stolen by an annoying character who acts like the protagonist but still can't do poo poo.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
Yeah, Lillie owned and being a supporting character was good because they could actually have some story in the game instead of people expositing at your blank slate.

It also helps you're not competing with her. You're a trainer while she's having her own journey of self discovery.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Hugh more like Hugh suck go home or I'll push you off a loving pirate boat.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013



Battle Tree is still the same song and dance, though the trainers are a little bit different. Giovanni, a Rocket Grunt, Sophacles and Kukui are also recruitable.

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SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

PetraCore posted:

Yeah, especially since she was brave enough to put Nebby in the bag and run away from her abusive mother with no game plan for survival after that, which takes massive guts. Having that sort of bravery emphasized could be a boon, I think.

That's how I felt about the plot of Black 2 White 2, which I hated. Even though Lillie drives the plot, you're still the one doing most of the stuff, and you're still the one getting credit for stuff you do, so I'm more okay with it. But I was real sick of going to do the obvious thing in B2W2 and getting that dumbass charging ahead of you and shouting at the villains and hogging all the glory. Intolerable.

I am fine having a nice time with my friends Lillie and Hau, I am not fine with getting all my agency in-game stolen by an annoying character who acts like the protagonist but still can't do poo poo.

I don't think Hugh really hogs all the glory like at all. Not just in, the protag is the guy who accomplishes everything, but like he has nothing to do with Colress or Kyurem and he isn't really the big focus in many of the events. He shouts a lot though that's definitely a thing.

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