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There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

empty whippet box posted:

Yep, a friend of mine has two daughters in college and is 34 years old. I'm kind of jealous of it sometimes because I want to have kids and I'm 31, and he's already in 'could be grandpa soon' territory. If it doesn't gently caress your life up and make everyone in the family miserable, then hey, having kids young can be great. It's certainly a different life experience than mine, but it really works out for some people.

Did said friend actually raise their two kids? I can't imagine a 14 year old doing that successfully.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Terebus posted:

Politically, the good thing about the Roy Moore situation is that no matter how the election turns out republicans are hosed.

If Moore wins he might not be seated and it will fracture the party. There are clearly some repubs who wont tolerate a child rapist. Plus, the national message can become "Republicans are the party of childn rapists".

If Moore loses then the dems get a seat in a state they wouldnt have gotten othereise.

A great situatioon either way, that is if you ignore the whole paedophellia thing.

and that even if they did "accept" him, he would be ted cruz on steriods and gently caress things up even more the GOP, probaly to start the culture wars up again, which is something most GOP don't really want to start again.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Xombie posted:

Christians across the country, especially in rural areas, have been ideologically in step with southerners since Jim Crow. Urban Christianity barely even exists except among minorities, who are also ideologically in step with their southern counterparts.
... The majority of Christians in the United States live in metro areas. African-American churches are absolutely not in step with Southern White Christianity. The gently caress are you talking about?

Edit: Like urban African-American churches aren't even in step with Southern Black Churches, what are you talking about here

Tibalt fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Nov 11, 2017

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

Spiffster posted:

Consent is not that hard of a concept people... :wtc:

It actually really is, though. Look at C.K. as an example, he asked for and got "consent" that he convinced himself was real. It wasn't, though, because of the power dynamics.

Let's take a hypothetical: Weinstein didn't "forcibly" rape anyone, he just ran a casting couch. Even in that (false) scenario, it's still rape even if they agree to it. He's a gatekeeper for an entire profession, so there is no choice. Coercion isn't consent, but many people convinced themselves that "yes" means yes.

We're a broken country in general. It's not racism if it's not the literal hooded klan shouting "N*****s go back to africa!", it's not sexisim when it's :biotruths:. It's not nazis unless they wear the uniform, swastika, and heil literally hitler, it's not rape unless a guy drags you into a dark alley and forces himself on you.

E: I'll rephrase: It shouldn't be hard, but apparently it's a really tough concept to most of the country.

Harik fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Nov 11, 2017

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/LanaDelRaytheon/status/929444319236202497
https://twitter.com/Green_Footballs/status/929163641890283521

Doctor Teeth
Sep 12, 2008


Crabtree posted:

I mean, I know its loving Alabama, but how goddamn pathetic does the crop of Rs have to be when the best you can run is a loving stupid old pedophile in a blood red hellhole? A less vile rich rear end in a top hat is too much of a hurdle for the Republicans of Alabama to find as not even they would deign to lower themselves putting their tax shelter there.

They just want the most openly reactionary person possible. That's it. There were """""better""""" options but they didn't care.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Groovelord Neato posted:

what the gently caress. i was my parents' first kid and they were 30 and 27. loving lmao a 34 year old with college aged kids.

My wife's family had an generational habit of teen pregnancy. When she was born her grandmother was 35.

And no, they were not from Alabama.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Inspector Hound posted:

Just lmao at America slowly figuring out it's actually the villain

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/929451829657853952

Everyone is poo poo

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Overwined posted:

Evangelicals are 100% Protestant and most absolutely hate Catholicism and Catholics in general. This would have the opposite effect you think it would. It would just coalesce them under a "common enemy". Fun fact, the United States has had exactly one Catholic President and he caught a bullet. Although I have no idea what sect Trump is faking right now.

Presbyterian or something along those lines, if i remember. gently caress i am still surprised people legit believe that trump is a "god fearing" man.

Dejawesp
Jan 8, 2017

You have to follow the beat!

Overwined posted:

Evangelicals are 100% Protestant and most absolutely hate Catholicism and Catholics in general. This would have the opposite effect you think it would. It would just coalesce them under a "common enemy". Fun fact, the United States has had exactly one Catholic President and he caught a bullet. Although I have no idea what sect Trump is faking right now.

Conservatives used to be real weird about Catholics until they realized that the soul is in the blood and not the spirit and you can't afford to turn away god fearing white people.



Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


ZenVulgarity posted:

Everyone is poo poo

the migrant crisis and the rise of terrorism are america's fault. you wouldn't have those warsaw marches without us destabilizing the middle east.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

There Bias Two posted:

Did said friend actually raise their two kids? I can't imagine a 14 year old doing that successfully.

I used to know a woman who'd had a daughter at twelve. I think I had barely stopped playing with dolls at that point.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I often have to come to work weekends in order to make sure servers stay up and all that nonsense. I decided to read through the thread, and here's a personal(-ish) story that kinda threw me off guard. Earlier today, my daughter Skype'd me and told me that she and her girlfriend watched Casino last night. After the movie was over, her girlfriend said something to the effect : "I sincerely wish that I could go loving Frankie Marino on the piece of poo poo coach who raped my older brother back when he was in high school". My daughter said that it was really off-putting just how to-the-point and very matter-of-fact her girlfriend said those words. And it made me wonder: If more cases of people (read: more than likely guys) being scumbags get out there, just how long is it going to be until we see / read news of some rear end in a top hat rapist getting a violent payback?

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person


What the gently caress?

La Brea Carpet
Nov 22, 2007

I have no mouth and I must post

Overwined posted:

Evangelicals are 100% Protestant and most absolutely hate Catholicism and Catholics in general. This would have the opposite effect you think it would. It would just coalesce them under a "common enemy". Fun fact, the United States has had exactly one Catholic President and he caught a bullet. Although I have no idea what sect Trump is faking right now.

He loves all the churches with the lower case "t"s in them.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

quote:

Where will he go next, this phantom from another time, this resurrected ghost of a previous nightmare – Chicago? Los Angeles? Miami, Florida? Vincennes, Indiana? Syracuse, New York? Anyplace, everyplace, where there's hate, where there's prejudice, where there's bigotry. He's alive. He's alive so long as these evils exist. Remember that when he comes to your town. Remember it when you hear his voice speaking out through others. Remember it when you hear a name called, a minority attacked, any blind, unreasoning assault on a people or any human being. He's alive because through these things we keep him alive.

- Rod Serling

There is something truly disturbing about White Supremacists marching in Warsaw...

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

There Bias Two posted:

Did said friend actually raise their two kids? I can't imagine a 14 year old doing that successfully.

It's kind of a long story? He and the mother(same age, but actually just died of a heart problem a few weeks ago...) had a lot of help, he's been there the whole time but hasn't been the primary caretaker, graduated high school and college. Has a great relationship with them, is their father and dad, but they mostly stay with his mother. These things are only possible with a great support network around them, and it(either pregnancy, I mean) definitely didn't happen on purpose, as you can imagine.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
The existence of Slavic Nazis is one of the world most baffling ironies. I get it, you really hate Muslims. But maybe identify with one of the countless groups over the past hundreds of years that hates them that doesn't also lust for the death of you too.

Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 11, 2017

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

CommieGIR posted:

There is something truly disturbing about White Supremacists marching in Warsaw...

It is not impossible that America still leads the world, and we just started punching Nazis again, but now we have to grab the wheel and turn before poo poo gets worse for everyone everywhere.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The existence of Slavic Nazis is one of the world most baffling ironies.

Let alone in a City literally built on the ruins of a genocidal siege held by white supremacists to exterminate the population.

Caros
May 14, 2008


loving horrifying, but that picture is beautiful.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



That photo is a good reminder that Europe has more frequent, and larger, pro-Nazi rallies than we've had here even post-Trump.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The existence of Slavic Nazis is one of the world most baffling ironies. I get it, you really hate Muslims. But maybe identify with one of the countless groups over the past hundreds of years that hates them that doesn't also lust for the death of you too.

the poles kept the holocaust going after it officially ended.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Groovelord Neato posted:

even if moore hadn't molested a 14 year old child, "dating" 16/17/18 year olds when you're 32 should be disqualifying. i'm 32 and those are kids. gently caress i'd feel like an enormous creep dating seniors in college at my age. it's insane that his defense is "i only kissed high schoolers".

There's a definite point where those people aren't in your peer group. For me, as someone who is 28, it's roughly 17-35. That pretty much includes everyone who is in my group of friends, and their various siblings that still feel like peers.

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

RuanGacho posted:

It is not impossible that America still leads the world, and we just started punching Nazis again, but now we have to grab the wheel and turn before poo poo gets worse for everyone everywhere.

oh jesus if you think the american ego is bad now wait till we win ww3: the return of nazis

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room
I grew up around a bunch of Polish and Yugoslavian immigrants and refugees, and it would not surprise me in the least if some of the older ones were completely on board with Nazism up to the whole "killing Slavs" thing. Hell, my Polish grandpa killed Nazis and still had opinions about his daughter marrying a Jew

Dejawesp
Jan 8, 2017

You have to follow the beat!

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The existence of Slavic Nazis is one of the world most baffling ironies. I get it, you really hate Muslims. But maybe identify with one of the countless groups over the past hundreds of years that hates them that doesn't also lust for the death of you too.

If Jon Tron. The son of an Iranian immigrant can be a white supremacist then the world is our nazi oyster.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Tiberius Christ posted:

oh jesus if you think the american ego is bad now wait till we win ww3: the return of nazis

If we just become the barbarian nation that smashes Nazis on a regular cycle of good and evil I could think of worse fates.

America remains forever locked in between 1945 and 1999, unable to advance, unable to dream of anything but righteous asskicking.

Wait I just described the boomers, gently caress.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The existence of Slavic Nazis is one of the world most baffling ironies. I get it, you really hate Muslims. But maybe identify with one of the countless groups over the past hundreds of years that hates them that doesn't also lust for the death of you too.

FYI lots of eastern Europe was very on-board with the holocaust. In fact some, like the Ukrainians, were so enthusiastic that it weirded out the Germans. Ethnic chauvinism is a default setting in human nature.

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


FlamingLiberal posted:

That photo is a good reminder that Europe has more frequent, and larger, pro-Nazi rallies than we've had here even post-Trump.

The US's entire international image is built upon beating the poo poo out of the Nazis, though.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

Dejawesp posted:

Conservatives used to be real weird about Catholics until they realized that the soul is in the blood and not the spirit and you can't afford to turn away god fearing white people.





Bullshit they did, Catholics were just tolerated because soon Muslims became the scary religion we could declare war on as soon as the Iranian revolution and Muslim Brotherhood. Anytime the pope does something to anger conservatives they start remembering all the Touchy Priests and boil up the old Grudge. Racism and bigotry don't dissipate with Jews, it hasn't disappeared from Catholics because some were white. If Catholics start to be more liberal than their otherwise no abortion unity is, its back on because "Mexico is predominantly Catholic".

Let's not forget half the attacks against JFK were that he was more loyal to the pope than the US.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Nothus posted:

FYI lots of eastern Europe was very on-board with the holocaust. In fact some, like the Ukrainians, were so enthusiastic that it weirded out the Germans. Ethnic chauvinism is a default setting in human nature.

Yes I know how all over Poland and the Baltic people turned out in droves to help the Nazis kill Jews.

Ultimately the Nazis had plans to eventually get around to enslaving and murdering them too once the war was over though.

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.

Illegal Hen
That wacky Putin is up to it again.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/11/10/professor-misfud-robertson-pkg.cnn

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Dejawesp posted:

If Jon Tron. The son of an Iranian immigrant can be a white supremacist then the world is our nazi oyster.

Persians were considered one of the good races.

Moktaro
Aug 3, 2007
I value call my nuts.

Krispy Wafer posted:

Ironically the one person we haven't heard anything new about is Woody Allen.

Richard Dreyfuss is now accused of exposing Mr. Holland's Opus to a lady in the 1980's.

Oh goddammit.

...I'm still allowed to like Let It Ride, right? :sigh:

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Moktaro posted:

Oh goddammit.

...I'm still allowed to like Let It Ride, right? :sigh:

The boomers seem to be intent on erasing everyone else from history just so no one can remember how badly they ruined everything.

dbukalski
Nov 9, 2017

YOSPOS

Evil Fluffy posted:

Dems would've won even more seats if Ellison was in charge, clearly! :ussr:


The moment that WaPo story broke I hope Perez got on a conference call and the GOTV machine in Virginia got pointed at Alabama. The best thing to do now is get that same GOTV, door-to-door activity going and drive turnout while letting Moore continue to dig a hole for himself. There's nothing the Democrats could say about Moore that'd hurt him more than his own words have, and attacking Moore just invites the tribalism effect to make angry Republicans go back to supporting Their Team. If they can flip Republicans as part of their GOTV activity then hey that's great, but getting every possible Democrat to the polls is going to matter more.

You know, assuming the polling places don't suddenly "move" or having broken machines, or various other complete and totally unforseen issues that only happen in Dem-heavy areas of the state.

do gotv door to door canvasers have tablets where they can help people register for early mail in voting right there on the spot?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

i am surprised he wasn't "disappeared" earlier. seems like a weak link.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Anyone who wants to have kids in this world should really reexamine their beliefs. If all the sexual predators, bigotry, declining employment and climate change don't scare, please tell me your secret. I cannot imagine why anyone would willingly take that responsibility.

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Xombie
May 22, 2004

Soul Thrashing
Black Sorcery

Tibalt posted:

... The majority of Christians in the United States live in metro areas.

The majority of practicing christians in the US live in rural areas. Evangicals are the largest denomination in the US. Suburban white protestant churches, as was shown in 2016, are not politically different from them on the whole.

quote:

African-American churches are absolutely not in step with Southern White Christianity. The gently caress are you talking about?

You definitely misread what I said there. The counterparts of non-southern black churches are southern black churches. The counterparts of hispanic catholics are other hispanic catholics, etc.

quote:

Edit: Like urban African-American churches aren't even in step with Southern Black Churches, what are you talking about here

In social values, they really are in lock step.

Xombie fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Nov 11, 2017

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