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Is it too much to hope for that a Muslim Paradox LP turns out well?  Anyway, I'd vote for C: Qadis.
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Hashim posted:Yep. We used to own it way back when, but the Celts stole it from in one of our wars. Then, in their recent war with the Celts, Ibriz forced them to return it to us and renounce their claims, so I just ceded it to Ibriz during the collapse of Al Andalus. Hey guys, remember when we had aspirations of being a colonial empire? 
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CommissarMega posted:Is it too much to hope for that a Muslim Paradox LP turns out well? I think Azerbaijan went reasonably well?
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Jeoh posted:I think Azerbaijan went reasonably well? Azerbaijan, which was conquered repeatedly by Russia and lost the world war by W.O. I guess there was the Afghanistan LP that went well, but that died in the transition to EU4.
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Nov 12, 2017 13:45
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CommissarMega posted:Is it too much to hope for that a Muslim Paradox LP turns out well? To be fair, this Muslim Paradox LP is turning out great for Muslims overall. Just uh Not us.
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ZearothK posted:Azerbaijan, which was conquered repeatedly by Russia and lost the world war by W.O. I'm still waiting for the DH conversion 
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Captain Oblivious posted:To be fair, this Muslim Paradox LP is turning out great for Muslims overall. Except for the holy land, the crusaders pretty much won that one.
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Nov 12, 2017 15:56
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Who needs Mecca when you have Texas?
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Mantis42 posted:Who needs Mecca when you have Texas? Remember the Allah-Mu(hammad). 
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ZearothK posted:Azerbaijan, which was conquered repeatedly by Russia and lost the world war by W.O. In AfghanLP, Islam never conquered India, and was thrown out of Iran and Iraq by Nestorian Timur. Northwest Africa was lost to Catholic Arabs. So it's not particularly great for Islam. ByzLP went alright for Islam, I think. Speaking of, y'all remember the Deluge? That was a good time. 
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Nov 12, 2017 19:01
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Voting C
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Mr.Morgenstern posted:In AfghanLP, Islam never conquered India, and was thrown out of Iran and Iraq by Nestorian Timur. Northwest Africa was lost to Catholic Arabs. So it's not particularly great for Islam. I remember more the good days, but I reckon you'd have a more precise memory. I feel the only runner-up to the FUBAR al-Andalus got into would be the Srbj LP during the more difficult times of the MESS (Middle Empire of Sacred Serbia).
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ZearothK posted:I remember more the good days, but I reckon you'd have a more precise memory. That pig was a great ruler i'll have you know!
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Except for the holy land, the crusaders pretty much won that one. Yeah well, if the 1800s-2000s play out anything like the OT they’re welcome to it. Have fun with that morons.
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I am still disappointed that neither China nor Japan ever really managed to do anything interesting aside from the Red Turbans somehow conquering Korea and the Japanese getting conquered by Manchus.
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 Vote closed! Option C has won handily, so it looks like we'll be continuing under the famously benevolent and competent leadership of the Majlis. Just to clear some things up though, this isn't going to be a republic, Qadis will be a ruled by an assembly of powerful nobles, puppet imams and very rich merchants (you know, those who haven't already fled to Ibriz), with pretty much every Grand Vizier for the foreseeable future being 'elected' from a small circle of aristocrats. We'll have to wait and see how sustainable this is in the long term.Also, the other daughter states of Al Andalus will get a few different bonuses depending on how many votes they got. So for example, Qurtubah seems to have attracted the second-largest influx of former Majlis members, so they'll likely get some hefty bonuses relating to their theocratic government and the Mahdi. Granada, by contrast, will get pretty much nothing (they may even be hit with a few penalties, depending on how long the Mad Hunchback lives for). Here's the final tally: A - Granada - 1 - Zakrelo. B - Qurtubah - 14 - Ibblebibble, Erwin the German, tunapirate, AJ_Impy, Chatrapati, crime, Flavius Belisarius, Mantis42, Hitlers Gay Secret, Slaan, mossyfisk, Mr.Morgenstern, Nine of Eight, Captain Oblivious. C - Qadis - 33 - Lord Cyrahzax, Agean90, Pakled, Crazycryodude, Jeoh, tatankatonk, QuoProQuid, Archaeology Hat, McGavin, Yvonmukluk, unwantedplatypus, GunnerJ, Camoes, Rodyle, TheFlyingLlama, really queer Christmas, Bloody Pom, Ikasuhito, MinistryofLard, devildragon777, Lynneth, ZearothK, Aeromancia, Technowolf, edipil, Snipee, Talas, ThatBasqueGuy, Frionnel, kibaces, CommissarMega, frankenfreak, aqu. D - Tulaytullah - 5 - mcclay, MaxieSatan, Soup du Jour, Luhood, Mountaineer. E - Qattalun - 11 - Raserys, WilliamAnderson, Crisis Now, Mr_Autoshades, Patter Song, HiHo ChiRho, Ralepozozaxe, Danny Glands, ssmagus, catlord, The Bold Kobold.
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Nov 12, 2017 20:55
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Shouldn't factions be getting maluses from how many Maijis support them instead given our performance as administrators and advisors.
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Nov 12, 2017 21:04
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Hashim posted:...Qadis will be a ruled by an assembly of powerful nobles, puppet imams and very rich merchants (you know, those who haven't already fled to Ibriz), with pretty much every Grand Vizier for the foreseeable future being 'elected' from a small circle of aristocrats. Right, a republic.
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Nov 12, 2017 21:27
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GunnerJ posted:Right, a republic. But with no pretensions of being representative of the population at large in any way. This is something more like the Dutch Republic, or arguably even the late Roman Republic.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:But with no pretensions of being representative of the population at large in any way. This is something more like the Dutch Republic, or arguably even the late Roman Republic. I don't think any of the republics that existed during the EU period made any claims of representiveness, maybe Switzerland? I know virtually nothing about their internal politics.
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I guess what I'm alluding to is a heavily corrupt republic in name only, as opposed to the more common EU4 merchant and administrative republics, where absolute power is held by the small group of nobles that spearheaded the overthrowing of the Jizrunids, each of which is likely going to be bribing, cajoling and threatening their way into powerful positions. These aristocrats are largely going to be based on Lord Cyrahzax and his backers, so I'll have to comb through their recent policies to figure out our early leaders of the Majlis.
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Nov 13, 2017 01:11
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Sounds like the perfect system to start a communist revolution against next century. Accelerationism hasn't failed us yet!
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Hashim posted:I guess what I'm alluding to is a heavily corrupt republic in name only, as opposed to the more common EU4 merchant and administrative republics, where absolute power is held by the small group of nobles that spearheaded the overthrowing of the Jizrunids, each of which is likely going to be bribing, cajoling and threatening their way into powerful positions. These aristocrats are largely going to be based on Lord Cyrahzax and his backers, so I'll have to comb through their recent policies to figure out our early leaders of the Majlis.  We can make this a Golden Age yet
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Nov 13, 2017 01:18
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im gonna leech as much money as i can off qadis as i can
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Nov 13, 2017 01:35
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Welp, it's got the word "republic" in its name and its ruler isn't a hereditary monarch, and that's good enough for... now, let's go with "for now."
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Nov 13, 2017 01:49
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Hashim posted:A - Granada - 1 - Zakrelo. You don't need numbers when Allah is on your side! This is great.
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Nov 13, 2017 02:14
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Hashim posted:I guess what I'm alluding to is a heavily corrupt republic in name only, as opposed to the more common EU4 merchant and administrative republics, where absolute power is held by the small group of nobles that spearheaded the overthrowing of the Jizrunids, each of which is likely going to be bribing, cajoling and threatening their way into powerful positions. These aristocrats are largely going to be based on Lord Cyrahzax and his backers, so I'll have to comb through their recent policies to figure out our early leaders of the Majlis. Isn't this basically the CK2 merchant republic system?
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It really seems a lot like what the Polish aristocrats imagined their system to be (as opposed to the way it actually worked): A Sejm/Senate of the most powerful people in society who are running the country in collaboration, who occasionally pick one in their ranks to be a totally castrated "King" with little actual power. We don't have elements like electing foreign leaders to be our King or the Liberum Veto, but it still works. Rousseau once said about Poland of this time "The aristocrats are everything, the townspeople are nothing, and the peasants are less than nothing." It sounds about right for what we're trying to do.
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What comes to my mind is a venetian republic, dominated by nobility, and an elected doge/vizier with some executive powers.
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Hashim posted:These aristocrats are largely going to be based on Lord Cyrahzax and his backers, May he lead us strongly and proudly!
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And may he remember who never once broke ranks in the whole history of this body!
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Great, so now we're modern Russia, except really small, passably Muslim, sort-of Renaissance, and with significantly better weather. Can we have a Gazprom faction, with an option to squander national ducats on foreign sports teams?
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So I've just played the next update and was having a look around the map... rip manchus  rip bavaria  rip ibriz I've decided that I'm gonna give the revolutionary government to any country that succumbs to Revolutionaries, rather than the typical republics or whatever for the non-revolutionary targets, mostly because it looks like the revolution is gonna take hold in ROTW moreso than in Europe.
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Nov 18, 2017 01:01
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Thats a lot of revolutionaries. What is this, Victoria 2?
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Nov 18, 2017 01:21
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I don't usually have the patience to play through the last century of eu4, so seeing 300k revolutionaries is so  for me. I have no clue if this is normal
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Nov 18, 2017 01:23
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Every continent can have its own Napoleon. This is great
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Nov 18, 2017 01:35
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Hashim posted:
*Jumps up and down and waves arms frantically* You were supposed to do that over here!
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Everyone gets revolutions except for Al Andalus, a fitting end
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