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BigDave posted:Jesus Christ, how the gently caress are the Menendez brothers still relevant? New Jersey politics are more interesting than I thought!
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Vasudus posted:Props for trying it out yourself though. That sure is one way to get results. Drinking the Koolaid is always embarrassing but it's good for people to be stripped of their illusions. It's fun having conversations with libertarians and Republicans now because I can tell them "Hey I used to be a member of the Libertarian Party and even voted Republican in one election cycle. Turned out I was wrong about almost everything and here's why."
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facialimpediment posted:
No, the trial is not tainted. Where did the excused juror get her information about how the rest of the jury was leaning? From the other jurors. During deliberations. Where jurors' duty is to talk about whether they are going to find the defendant guilty or not guilty.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:11
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The Iron Rose posted:Sanders, Warren, their ilk. The DnD of the Democratic Party. This is the reason real left candidates can't run cause people think anything left of loving Obama is a socialist crazy. Just start a party called GOP-lite and be done with the democratic party then. "I don't like the effects of capitalism, but their causes are really good" lmao
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Hot Karl Marx posted:This is the reason real left candidates can't run cause people think anything left of loving Obama is a socialist crazy. Actually Socialists ran a bunch of people in the last week and most of them won.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:20
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We are now in clusterfuck territory, McConnell wants Moore out completely. https://twitter.com/NStorm_Politics/status/930107086331146242 https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/930107473611988992 Moore and McConnell weren't friendly anyways, which makes it a very interesting question if McConnell would hold a vote to expel Moore if Moore won.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:23
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Mulva posted:Actually Socialists ran a bunch of people in the last week and most of them won. Yes but they were all "left wing crazies." There's a reason he has a Hillary death cult av. Northam, despite having a lifelong centrist voting record, at least campaigned with a very progressive message, and that helped float the centrists and the socialists all under the Dem banner.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:25
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Hot Karl Marx posted:This is the reason real left candidates can't run cause people think anything left of loving Obama is a socialist crazy. And they aren't?
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The Iron Rose posted:Sanders, Warren, their ilk. The DnD of the Democratic Party. Lol wtf? Sanders and Warren are not far left loonies.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:31
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You would have to be stupid to think this country would ever elect a president that isn’t an old white guy. Maybe in 100 years.
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M_Gargantua posted:Northam, despite having a lifelong centrist voting record, at least campaigned with a very progressive message, and that helped float the centrists and the socialists all under the Dem banner. It also helped that the guy he beat in the primary, Perriello, who was the more progressive candidate, put his full support behind Northam after the primary was done and worked his rear end off to get Northam and the rest of the Dem ticket elected.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:33
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facialimpediment posted:We are now in clusterfuck territory, McConnell wants Moore out completely. My understanding is that McConnell and the Secretary of the Senate could just not let him take the seat also.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:34
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:My understanding is that McConnell and the Secretary of the Senate could just not let him take the seat also. In any variation of the "he wins but doesn't serve" scenario, doesn't it get kicked back to another special election?
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Nov 13, 2017 17:52
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boop the snoot posted:I am okay with the democrat loonies getting into any office if it means we don’t elect someone who is okay with child rape. I’ve found out that that’s the line where I throw politics out the window and become a single issue voter. Oh I'd still vote for pretty much anyone with a D besides their name over almost anyone with an R. I can dislike a political wing and still support them when push comes to shove.
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:My understanding is that McConnell and the Secretary of the Senate could just not let him take the seat also. I don't think they can forbid him from taking the seat, but they can expel him by a 2/3 majority vote. Which begs the question of how much Schumer can wring out of McConnell to rid him of this meddlesome priest.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:56
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48 dems Murkowski and Collins because the GOP hates them anyway McCain because he's dyin cloud Flake and Corker because they're retiring That leaves you with 7 that need to fall on their sword. Get some moderates in there and some goombas not up until 2022 and there's your 60.
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Nov 13, 2017 18:06
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:You would have to be stupid to think this country would ever elect a president that isn’t an old white guy. Maybe in 100 years. drat. Trump really did undo everything Obama did.
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Nov 13, 2017 18:09
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lol if you think Mitch McConnell wouldn't "respect the will of the people" or something in order to maintain an R seat
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this lovely part is that thanks to spending the last decade getting annihilated nationally, the Democrats bench is pretty loving bare of anyone that isn't just yet another loving centrist that won't get traction outside of the usual circles.
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unbutthurtable posted:lol if you think Mitch McConnell wouldn't "respect the will of the people" or something in order to maintain an R seat Moore may not be worth the headache, especially if this is a way for McConnell and the GOP to apply a pillow to the face of the Bannon/Breitbart lunatic asylum. Currently, Strange votes straight down the line, just the way McConnell wants. There's no guarantee that will happen with Moore, and any attempt to sweet-talk Moore to support something is likely to lose Murkowski/Collins as votes. Proud Christian Mom posted:this lovely part is that thanks to spending the last decade getting annihilated nationally, the Democrats bench is pretty loving bare of anyone that isn't just yet another loving centrist that won't get traction outside of the usual circles. Virginia's recent elections were a pretty decent indicator of "Random people getting up to talk about issues, and ignoring the culture war bullshit" working. Ralph Northam the Human Valium aside, there were massive upsets because the left's candidate actually talked about poo poo that mattered. I'm cautiously optimistic that a lesson's being learned in organizing and mobilizing people rather than throwing money at think tanks and ad buys.
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Wouldn't the easiest thing be to let him get elected, immediately remove him, and let the governer appoint the other republican?
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redneck nazgul posted:Moore may not be worth the headache, especially if this is a way for McConnell and the GOP to apply a pillow to the face of the Bannon/Breitbart lunatic asylum. Didn't that transgendered woman beat the bigot because she was talking about fixing roads and poo poo while he screamed about bathrooms?
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redneck nazgul posted:I'm cautiously optimistic that a lesson's being learned in organizing and mobilizing people rather than throwing money at think tanks and ad buys. Funny you mention that, that's the trend people are starting to notice with the DNC under Perez's leadership. https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/928358897550839808 Also in regards to candidates campaigning on things that mattered, Danica Roem specifically ran on how bad the traffic was in her district and how she wanted to change that. She ran against the bathroom bills guy, and despite being trans herself, didn't make that the focal point of her campaign. She won, handedly.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:This is the reason real left candidates can't run cause people think anything left of loving Obama is a socialist crazy. Just start a party called GOP-lite and be done with the democratic party then. I think a lot of it is that in the Sane Timeline people like The Iron Rose would be Republicans or independents and not straight ticket Dem voters. Unfortunately we're in the Crazy Timeline and most of the center-right people who have two brain cells left to rub together have jumped ship from the Republican party sometime during the last 15 years. This leaves us with a supposedly left leaning party that's packed full of slightly right leaning political refugees so to speak. How do you compromise and make a party platform when your base is composed of like 3/4ths of the political spectrum?
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Thalantos posted:Lol wtf? Sanders and Warren are not far left loonies. Oh, this should be good.
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In the United States, they are farrrrr left RAPEY JOE STALIN COMMUNIST In most other western democracies they'd be pretty centrist.
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Oh man the slack jawed MAGAwarrior base would go completely ape poo poo if Moore won and got kicked out. That Bannon/Breitbart headline about establishment power brokers faking the charges to keep a firebrand truth-teller out of power writes itself. Throw in the words false flag and Hillary somewhere to push their conspiracy theory buttons then just watch the poo poo winds begin a-blowing.
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bird food bathtub posted:Oh man the slack jawed MAGAwarrior base would go completely ape poo poo if Moore won and got kicked out. That Bannon/Breitbart headline about establishment power brokers faking the charges to keep a firebrand truth-teller out of power writes itself. chaos reigns
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bird food bathtub posted:Oh man the slack jawed MAGAwarrior base would go completely ape poo poo if Moore won and got kicked out. That Bannon/Breitbart headline about establishment power brokers faking the charges to keep a firebrand truth-teller out of power writes itself. Soros. Moore getting kicked out of the Senate is the more hilarious option so it's the one I hope happens.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Oh, this should be good. Good to hear from you. I was worried you might have been mixed up with those SEALs skimming informant cash. I guess that kind of scheme was too subtle for them.
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The Dems would probably not vote to get him out, they'd rather have him there causing trouble for McConell.
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Ceiling fan posted:Good to hear from you. I was worried you might have been mixed up with those SEALs skimming informant cash. I guess that kind of scheme was too subtle for them. Uh, what now?
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Thalantos posted:Lol wtf? Sanders and Warren are not far left loonies. Warren, no. Sanders, yes. His proposed policies are completely unaffordable and the math just doesn't add up. I'm less referring to their personal politics though, and more the damaged caused by internecine internal DNC warfare.
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I assume its a reference to the role of your username on The Wire?Duzzy Funlop posted:Uh, what now?
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Speaking of which, https://twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/930128259035082756 McConnell has no pull in the Moore constituency and both of them know it. If McConnell gets a write-in campaign going, Moore is going to lose his poo poo. If Moore loses because of a GOP split-vote, the Bannon wing is going to go even more nuts and try to get rid of every sitting GOP leader. If Moore still wins, McConnell gets to have his feet held to the fire. There's already grumblings among GOP donors that they're going to turn off the money faucets if the GOP doesn't get them their tax breaks: McConnell's position is tenuous at best and adding another lunatic like Moore would only compound the problem.
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The Iron Rose posted:His proposed policies are completely unaffordable and the math just doesn't add up. I'm less referring to their personal politics though, Every politician since Clinton
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