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Neurolimal posted:Never really understood the attempt to slippery-slope this. When considering the moral value on a incident-by-incident basis we need not fear setting precedent, unless the pro-punch people are also proposing the puncher not be charged with assault in court.
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I think this thread will appreciate this comedy Twitter account, and this post in particular, regardless of where you stand on the left/liberal divide. Edit: note, I'm not clear on if this account is intentional parody, but it's self-parody regardless of whether it's intentional or not lmao https://twitter.com/r_neoliberal/status/929784807331995648 Serious link: Sexual harassment and assault in the work place is a systemic and pervasive problem, but it's the tip of the iceberg that is abuse of workers, especially female workers, in America. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Nov 13, 2017 18:27
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Lightning Knight posted:Republicans spent 8 years throwing a tantrum because a black man won the presidency and declared on day one they were going to abdicate their role as governing party. Before that, they tried to impeach a Democratic president over a sex scandal. Republican presidents since Nixon have been universally awful shitheads and to top it off, they stole a Supreme Court seat. Technig they attempted to impeach him for perjury, but hey, why let the facts get on the way of a good story. Also by "do things properly" do you mean "do things my way"?
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Harsh But True posted:Technig they attempted to impeach him for perjury, but hey, why let the facts get on the way of a good story. "Technically," says the man grasping for straws in his efforts to defend American fascism. Republicans have spent 50 years making GBS threads on American governmental procedure and democratic norms, you don't get to turn around and claim we're the bad guys for playing by your rules jackass.
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Nov 13, 2017 18:53
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Lightning Knight posted:"Technically," says the man grasping for straws in his efforts to defend American fascism. Well, some of us believe facts are important. But feel free to dismiss my technicalities. Both sides routinely grab as much power as they can and then don't want to play nice when the other side is in charge. Hence the original ACA vote passing without a single Republican vote. I don't think running roughshod over the other party is a Republican invention. Also, did you just assume my gender?
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Nov 13, 2017 19:09
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I hope Doug Jones wins and has Roy Moore arrested.
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Harsh But True posted:Well, some of us believe facts are important. But feel free to dismiss my technicalities. Ah yes, facts being important. Let us discuss global warming then. Oh wait. "Both sides" my rear end, Republicans have by and large controlled the government since the '80s and routinely been the ones intentionally doing the most damage to said government, to the point that they named their strategy of intentionally loving things up "starve the beast." This isn't even a conspiracy, it's their stated goal. ACA passing without a single Republican vote is because Republicans are morons who oppose universal healthcare, not a statement on the Republicans' moral superiority or the Democrats' supposed lack of bipartisanship. They shredded the ACA in the Senate to try and get Republicans on board - on board, mind you, with a plan they had come up with via the Heritage Foundation - and the Republicans snubbed them to send a message to the first black president. I did, technically, assume your gender. If you wish, I will change the pronoun in my joke.
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Lightning Knight posted:I did, technically, assume your gender. If you wish, I will change the pronoun in my joke. C'mon man, you know that phrase is only used facetiously.
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Lightning Knight posted:Ah yes, facts being important. Let us discuss global warming then. Oh wait. If you wanna get technical, the ACA did get one single republican vote from Joseph Cao, a one-term Republican for Louisiana's 2nd district.
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inkblot posted:C'mon man, you know that phrase is only used facetiously. Yep, but I am willing to cop to assuming and change it to satisfy someone who has been misgendered, and apologize. I have no problem with that, even if Harsh But True is otherwise a disingenuous shithead. Instant Sunrise posted:If you wanna get technical, the ACA did get one single republican vote from Joseph Cao, a one-term Republican for Louisiana's 2nd district. Today I learned! 
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Lightning Knight posted:Today I learned! Fun fact, he was the first Vietnamese-American to serve in congress, and the first republican to represent that district since 1891. In 2010 he lost reelected to Cedric Richmond, who is now the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus.
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Nov 13, 2017 19:29
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Lightning Knight posted:Ah yes, facts being important. Let us discuss global warming then. Oh wait. I'm happy to discuss the facts of climate change. Can you say the same about gender? It's possible that republicans are morons, but it might also be possible that they're representing the desires of those who elected them. There's this weird thing that happens in a in a democracy where not everyone agrees with what you think is best for them. (That doesn't necessarily make them a moron). Democrats and some republicans refusing to repeal the ACA is the same thing: people opposing something they don't think is a good option. Just because the party who's out if power doesn't bow down and cower before the ruling party doesn't make them obstructionist. It might, but it might also be them standing up for their constituents.
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Nov 13, 2017 19:35
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Harsh But True posted:I'm happy to discuss the facts of climate change. Can you say the same about gender? I'm perfectly content to discuss the facts of gender with you, and again, I apologize for assuming your gender. If you want me to change it in my original post, I will. They represent the desires of those who elected them, and those desires by and large represent garbage economics and hatred of the Other, so yeah, they're either morons or actively malevolent, and neither option is good. Oh I'm not saying the Republicans ought to roll over and die. I think Democrats should just make it a priority to stake them in the heart. Democratic priorities in order should be: 1) Connect with people on the issues they care about 2) Offer left-wing solutions to those issues 3) Get elected 4) Destroy conservatism and the Republican Party.
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The Republicans and Democrats both represent those that got them elected. The billionaire donors.
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Shutting down the government, playing brinksmanship with the full faith and credit of the union, vowing from day one not to cooperate on anything and ignoring their constitutional duty to appoint a SCOTUS nominee do, however, make the GOP obstructionist and no longer in the realm of "loyal opposition". So gently caress this "both-sides" narrative.
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Nov 13, 2017 19:42
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"Our fourth priority should be to destroy conservatism and the Republican party." "Waahh they're so partisan!! Why won't they work with us on our agenda!?!"
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Harsh But True posted:It's possible that republicans are morons, but it might also be possible that they're representing the desires of those who elected them. Yeah, like passing an ACA repeal with an approval rating in the teens lmfao
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The white supremacist pedo party is bad imo
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Motto posted:The white supremacist pedo party is bad imo I dunno, what if a fifth of the country is on the fence about kid loving? We should totally validate their feelings and cater to their fragility. Wait. No. That would be loving stupid!
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Motto posted:The white supremacist pedo party is bad imo Kevin Spacey would beg to differ.
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Harsh But True posted:Kevin Spacey would beg to differ. Kevin Spacey is also garbage, did you have a point other than "no u?"
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Lightning Knight posted:Kevin Spacey is also garbage, did you have a point other than "no u?" I'm eagerly awaiting their gender insights.  Lightning Knight posted:Democratic priorities in order should be: The problem is when people get too obsessed with 3. 
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I've been reading a little Robert Cialdini and his ideas on reciprocity may be of interest to this thread.
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Harsh But True posted:"Our fourth priority should be to destroy conservatism and the Republican party." Nobody but billionaire donors want the parties to work together.
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Republicans suck but I知 not sure I知 ready to say that all the people who voted for them are crazy/evil when the Democrats suck so hard and refuse to offer actual solutions on so many issues. I mean, if you池e a coal miner in the middle of nowhere what exactly do the Democrats have to offer you? A tax credit for job training when they put you out of work? And that doesn稚 even touch how loving smug and unbearable they are with their genuinely bad ideas like NAFTA and poo poo.
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Harsh But True posted:Technig they attempted to impeach him for perjury, but hey, why let the facts get on the way of a good story. They were trying to impeach him before the the perjury happened, so that really doesn't make much sense. The perjury is just the only thing they actually got some traction on, but it wasn't the attempt, merely the method.
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readingatwork posted:Republicans suck but I知 not sure I知 ready to say that all the people who voted for them are crazy/evil when the Democrats suck so hard and refuse to offer actual solutions on so many issues. Everyone who voted Republican is crazy/evil. Most people who voted Democrat are probably crazy/evil too though. The people who recognize the Democrats are bad but aren't crazy/evil just don't vote at all.
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Harsh But True posted:Kevin Spacey would beg to differ. lol that a conservatives best defense for "my party's base is rallying around a pedophile for Senate candidate" is "a Hollywood actor is a sex creep" were you under the impression the Press F To Pay Respects guy was a some kind of liberal position of power
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readingatwork posted:Republicans suck but I’m not sure I’m ready to say that all the people who voted for them are crazy/evil when the Democrats suck so hard and refuse to offer actual solutions on so many issues. I mean, if you’re a coal miner in the middle of nowhere what exactly do the Democrats have to offer you? A tax credit for job training when they put you out of work? And that doesn’t even touch how loving smug and unbearable they are with their genuinely bad ideas like NAFTA and poo poo.
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readingatwork posted:Republicans suck but I知 not sure I知 ready to say that all the people who voted for them are crazy/evil Not all, just the vast majority. Also the options were stupid or evil, and I'm willing to bet that all Republicans and a fair portion of Democrats fall into one of those two categories.
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Sandusky 2020: Seriously You Guys I Was Pranking The Libtards
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readingatwork posted:Republicans suck but I知 not sure I知 ready to say that all the people who voted for them are crazy/evil when the Democrats suck so hard and refuse to offer actual solutions on so many issues. I mean, if you池e a coal miner in the middle of nowhere what exactly do the Democrats have to offer you? A tax credit for job training when they put you out of work? And that doesn稚 even touch how loving smug and unbearable they are with their genuinely bad ideas like NAFTA and poo poo. That's assuming that the main driver of votes is policy - what if it's more about identity and upbringing than the information they get from a party or a campaign?
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The majority of Americans didn't cast a vote for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. If you voted for either because they were "the lesser evil" you're little more than a stockholm syndrome victim, I don't hold it against you. If you openly supported either candidate as good you are a moron who should be disregarded in the future.
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Democrazy posted:That's assuming that the main driver of votes is policy - what if it's more about identity and upbringing than the information they get from a party or a campaign? Number 1 predictor of voting habits is what your parents voted for, and politics is largely a team sport, so this bears out. I don't think it's fair to blame Republicans for having been born into conservative areas, but it is fair to blame them for ignoring or embracing the bigotry of their party as it has evolved over the last four decades.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think it's fair to blame Republicans for having been born into conservative areas, but it is fair to blame them for ignoring or embracing the bigotry of their party as it has evolved over the last four decades. This but Democrats
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"My political movement is composed of good people actually" I say, while voting for a pedophile on grounds I think he hates gay people more than the other guy
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NewForumSoftware posted:This but Democrats Nah, the Democrats traffic in soft bigotry and indifference, the Republicans have embraced open white nationalism. In this they are not the same. * this is not a ringing endorsement of America or its political parties.
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Lightning Knight posted:Nah, the Democrats traffic in soft bigotry and indifference, the Republicans have embraced open white nationalism. In this they are not the same. Oh is prison slavery soft bigotry now? Not taking a stand on gay marriage until the log cabin republicans did is soft bigotry? I've never heard of this term "soft bigotry" where'd you pull it from?
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Lightning Knight posted:Number 1 predictor of voting habits is what your parents voted for, and politics is largely a team sport, so this bears out. It's a complicated issue, particularly when you get into the question of education, or the lack thereof of some of the voters. But I agree, at some point people have agency and they can choose. Just like some people chose to rebel against the Union and some people chose to fight for it. Thank God both parties are equally moral, and thus both recognize that the Confederacy and their leaders were wrong.
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