|
Is whatever package Christopher or his lawyers shopping around something that includes the Silmarillion? euphronius posted:I'm sure the abundance of romance and sex scenes in LOTR will make it popular with many
|
#
?
Nov 10, 2017 09:09
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 7, 2024 00:59 |
|
|
A televised Silmarillion could absolutely work; it's got a strong overall arc, a mix of recurring and once-off characters, and a bit of GoT-y incest and Torment in Pits, whatever that means exactly. Who wouldn't want to see the fall of Numenor? On the other hand, I'm not sure I could survive another decade of columnists writing about how gritty and morally complex modern fantasy is compared with Tolkien, ughh.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 13:19
|
|
|
The Silmarillion isn’t a story, it’s an outline of a lot of stories, most of them never written in detail (including some of the most important material) and the whole never really adequately linked up to the mythos behind LotR. Any adaptation of it would inevitably contain the skeleton of Tolkien fleshed out by a load of poo poo invented by some modern fantasy hack (at best) or tv hacks (more likely). Just the structural issues of how to adapt it would kill it. And I think it would be a really tough sell to explain an “LotR franchise installment” that’s 90% about insanely proud, wise, beautiful, ancient gnomes fighting out a suicidal feud with the devil with no hobbits, no comedy, no real protagonist and a timeline spanning centuries. You’re going to get a lot of latter-day Hugo Dysons groaning “oh gently caress, not another elf”. Columnists are going to write nonsense no matter what since the Silmarillion has plenty of moral depth (more than LotR in some ways) and it’s self-serving dong polishing with no appreciation of the history of the genre to claim fantasy has been moving in direction of “moral complexity”, which has not stopped many think pieces from being written about this “fact”.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 13:38
|
|
|
The Ley of Leithian owns bones and could easily be a miniseries . You could do most of the history of the silmarils and the elves as part of that story as well. Turin Master of Fate is way too loving sad .
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 13:45
|
|
|
I mean can you imagine getting owned by a talking sword .
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 13:54
|
|
|
Also the Sil had the problem that virtually all of the characters who are there at the beginning die, and the story is resolved by newer characters. The only major characters who leave Valinor and survive till Morgoth is overthrown are two of Feanor's sons and Galadriel, none of whom are involved in Morgoth's defeat.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 19:49
|
|
|
I feel like if they can make a TV serial based on the Mahabharata, they can do one based on the Silmarillion. However, I think it would require the audience to be known to have a greater degree of... reverence, I guess would be the term... than exists currently.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 21:11
|
|
|
Beren and luthien have their story end happily. Which is what makes it attractive I guess tv. They just have to end it with them and not follow the Silmaril.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 21:49
|
|
|
Pretty much the only obstacle to writing the Noldor as totally sick throbbing metal protagonists and antagonists is their inbuilt bias towards actual faithful monogamy. Dial that down a couple of notches - which is probably no more of a major edit than removing Tom Bombadil and the Scouring, or rewriting Arwen's larger part - and you've got the framework of some hot stuff.euphronius posted:Beren and luthien have their story end happily. Which is what makes it attractive I guess tv. They just have to end it with them and not follow the Silmaril.
|
|
#
?
Nov 11, 2017 21:49
|
|
|
just make the children of hurin miniseries, its got sister-loving, copious amounts of good guys getting stabbed to death and dwarfs in it to tick all those game of thrones boxes dont touch anything else with a ten foot pole
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 05:42
|
|
|
I’d watch the loving poo poo out of a Tales of Hobbiton series. First season covers Bilbo’s re-integration into local life, complete with rumors, heartbreak, drop-ins from dwarves, and scandal. Second season deals with the adoption of Frodo and delves deep into local politics. Third season sees Bilbo playing a greater and greater local role while being haunted by the ever-growing compulsion of the Ring. Fourth season concerns continental politics and darkness creeping into the Shire, ending with the Party and the departure of Bilbo. Fifth and final season covers the seventeen years between Frodo receiving the Ring and his fateful visit with Gandalf, building his relationships with Sam, Merry, and Pippin, and cementing Lobelia’s position as a wonderful awful person we all love to hate.
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 19:09
|
|
|
i want to watch elves gently caress
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 19:59
|
|
|
I do not.
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 20:22
|
|
|
Well obviously...
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 20:36
|
|
|
chernobyl kinsman posted:i want to watch elves gently caress
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 20:48
|
|
|
chernobyl kinsman posted:i want to watch elves gently caress I thought there was a period in there after "elves" so I just thought you were really excited to watch a TV show about elves.
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 21:37
|
|
|
SHISHKABOB posted:I thought there was a period in there after "elves" so I just thought you were really excited to watch a TV show about elves. He's not just excited, he's C.K. excited
|
|
#
?
Nov 12, 2017 22:29
|
|
|
chernobyl kinsman posted:i want to watch elves gently caress We'll probably get this in the LOTR TV series by Amazon. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 06:56
|
|
|
its happening http://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...m_medium=Social and its def some SIL coming at you quote:Amazon said the series will explore new storylines that precede author J.R.R. Tolkien’s ‘The Fellowship of the Ring,’ the first installment in the famed fantasy trilogy. lemme see that multi-million dollar CGI budget of Sauron turning into a giant bat
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 19:54
|
|
|
Oh boy here we go
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:00
|
|
|
This could be good. This could also be bad. It could even be both at the same time. All things are possible. God help me, I'm actually interested.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:02
|
|
|
That statement doesn’t actually mention the Sil at all so maybe it will just be original plot do not steal
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:13
|
|
|
There's no way this will cover Sil material. They don't have the rights. No one does. They can't even reference Sil names and places that don't also appear in LotR. When they say precedes LotR I'm assuming they will be writing their own storyline that takes place in between The Hobbit and LotR, like a lot of the LotR-licensed RPG supplements do.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:14
|
|
|
There is lots of stuff in the appendix they could do.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:14
|
|
|
Monopthalmus posted:There's no way this will cover Sil material. They don't have the rights. No one does. They can't even reference Sil names and places that don't also appear in LotR. When they say precedes LotR I'm assuming they will be writing their own storyline that takes place in between The Hobbit and LotR, like a lot of the LotR-licensed RPG supplements do. The Lotr appendices are not off limits so it could be Numenorean shenanigans.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:22
|
|
|
it's actually just going to be a TV adaptation of the hit LOTR simulator, Middle-earth: Shadow of War
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:30
|
|
|
my bony fealty posted:it's actually just going to be a TV adaptation of the hit LOTR simulator, Middle-earth: Shadow of War And taking Hurin back to Angband he set him in a couch of stone upon a high place of Thangorodrim, from which he could see afar the land of Amazon in the west and the lands of Warner Brothers to the south. There he was bound by the power of Morgoth; and Morgoth standing beside him cursed him again and set his power upon him, so that he could not move from that place, or die, until Morgoth should release him. "Sit now there," said Morgoth,"and look out upon the intellectual property where evil and despair shall come upon those whom you have delivered to me. For you have dared to mock me, and have questioned the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes you shall see, and with my ears you shall hear, and nothing shall be hidden from you."
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:35
|
|
|
Wait and see I guess. If it's good, then good. If it's bad, it can always be ignored. Unless it blows up like Game of Thrones, of course
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 20:49
|
|
|
Why couldn't this be Silmarillion material?
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 22:56
|
|
|
The literary estate never sold the media rights .
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 22:58
|
|
|
More accurately, it can only draw from that Silmarillion material which also made its way into LotR. So Beren and Luthien maybe, but not like, Túrin pricking Saeros in the rear end.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 23:10
|
|
|
euphronius posted:The literary estate never sold the media rights . Yeah, from that press release it sounds like the Tolkien estate is directly involved here, which amazes me. Every other property has been licensed off of the film rights. If they have the Tolkien estate on board, this could be anything. Morgoth on ungoliant action.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 23:17
|
|
|
Lin-Manuel Mirana hired to compose Music of the Ainur; rumor is he's thinking of giving it a "hip-hop twist"
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 23:23
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, from that press release it sounds like the Tolkien estate is directly involved here, which amazes me. Every other property has been licensed off of the film rights. If they have the Tolkien estate on board, this could be anything. Morgoth on ungoliant action. Shadow of War becomes canon.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 23:24
|
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, from that press release it sounds like the Tolkien estate is directly involved here, which amazes me. Every other property has been licensed off of the film rights. If they have the Tolkien estate on board, this could be anything. Morgoth on ungoliant action. I guess this could also be true, after all who’s going to sue them for using the Silmarillion if the estate dgaf. Lots of room for extrapolation.
|
|
#
?
Nov 13, 2017 23:29
|
|
|
At least this won't be as bad as The Hobbit films. And yes, give me some Ungoliant and Morgoth action, or Sauron returning to Mordor before LOTR begins.
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2017 00:25
|
|
|
skasion posted:I guess this could also be true, after all who’s going to sue them for using the Silmarillion if the estate dgaf. Lots of room for extrapolation. Guy Gavriel Kay tags in for the swerve!
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2017 00:39
|
|
|
in a twist the show will be a dark comedy about two hapless orcs trying to organize things in mordor for the dark lords return
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2017 01:39
|
|
|
HerraS posted:in a twist the show will be a dark comedy about two hapless orcs trying to organize things in mordor for the dark lords return Rozenlug and Guildenburz are Dead
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2017 02:47
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 7, 2024 00:59 |
|
|
Hieronymous Alloy posted:Rozenlug and Guildenburz are Dead Waiting for Gothmog
|
|
#
?
Nov 14, 2017 03:25
|
|