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Asproigerosis posted:all you need to know about jason garretts coaching acumen is how he made 0 changes to the playcalling after the backup LT went out, allowing for the most sacks given up by the cowboys since the 91 eagles (one of the greatest dlines and defenses in NFL history). Andy Reid, often held up by some people in this thread as a paragon of coaching savvy, did the same exact thing when Winston Justice filled in for an injured Tra Thomas around 10 years ago. Justice gave up six sacks to Osi Umenyiora. I am not a coaching expert, but I think the "give him some help" idea is a lot easier said than done.
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McNabb was the best QB in Eagles history and Reid had a lot to do with that. He definitely made a lot of bonehead decisions but I never understood the Reid haters. He was awesome. Just ran into a lot of better teams. I will agree that Andy Reid challenges suck and the man has no idea how to call a hurry-up offense though.
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HatfulOfHollow posted:McNabb was the best QB in Eagles history and Reid had a lot to do with that. He definitely made a lot of bonehead decisions but I never understood the Reid haters. He was awesome. Just ran into a lot of better teams. This is going to sound weird but were you in a 'famous' bash.org quote?
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:This is going to sound weird but were you in a 'famous' bash.org quote? whoa http://bash.org/?4281
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We should start a GoFundMe for that face-stabbing device
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HatfulOfHollow posted:McNabb was the best QB in Eagles history and Reid had a lot to do with that. He definitely made a lot of bonehead decisions but I never understood the Reid haters. He was awesome. Just ran into a lot of better teams. I loved Reid and McNabb, and never understood the vitriol. I get being frustrated with a team that's good-to-great while never quite being good-to-great enough, but what's the alternative? Sitting at .500 year to year? Being poo poo for seasons at a time? I'd rather be in contention almost every year and never quite make it than writing off entire seasons six weeks in. That said, I think Reid overstayed by a couple of years. Dude was very clearly over this gig, and it showed in a bunch of ways. I feel like the number of folks willing to talk poo poo on the Reid era is gonna get smaller and smaller, especially after Chip Kelly's Wild Ride.
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Toaster Beef posted:I loved Reid and McNabb, and never understood the vitriol. I get being frustrated with a team that's good-to-great while never quite being good-to-great enough, but what's the alternative? Sitting at .500 year to year? Being poo poo for seasons at a time? I'd rather be in contention almost every year and never quite make it than writing off entire seasons six weeks in. Blame the professional complainers like Cataldi and the rest of the garbage on WIP (and 97.5? I don't remember if they were sports or still rock at that time). Nearly 100% of bad takes I heard were attributed to them around that time.
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Andy lost it after his son died, and I'm pretty sure he was caught with all the steroids for the team too
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New thread title: The NFC East is being carried by the Eagles.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/12/owners-have-their-own-nuclear-option-for-dealing-with-jerry-jones/amp/ Not happening. Dan Snyder has been detrimental to football since 1999 and he's still around.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Andy lost it after his son died, and I'm pretty sure he was caught with all the steroids for the team too He had steroids on him, but not like a huge cache of them. Given his history as a dealer though it looked horrible.
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Yeah I will always be a huge fan of Andy the coach, but by 2012, he, probably moreso than the franchise, needed a change of scenery. I'm very happy for his success in KC
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The last two Reid years were totally bizarre. 2011 was the "Dream Team" year where they went 8-8 but would have (iirc) gone 12-4 if games were three periods instead of four. 2012 was a textbook example of a toxic workplace destroying team performance, maybe even more than this year's Giants.
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Farchanter posted:2012 was a textbook example of a toxic workplace destroying team performance, maybe even more than this year's Giants. Just keep in mind that the 2016 Giants were a bad team that benefited from a lot of luck. They had the second easiest schedule in the league and they went 8-3 in games decided by 7 or fewer points. The toxic workplace excuse only works if they weren't a lovely team prior to the coaching change. But 2017 has shown us that they're just reverting to form. The Giants have sucked and will continue to suck until they clean house. When they fired Coughlin they should've used that opportunity to fire everyone. What did they expect would happen when they promoted the guy running the anemic offense into a head coaching job?
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What could have been: https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/687447849198485504
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NotWearingPants posted:What could have been: Jesus. I just audibly gasped reading that. That's dodging a bullet. Wentz would've been written off as another failed QB if McAdoo got the job.
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HatfulOfHollow posted:Just keep in mind that the 2016 Giants were a bad team that benefited from a lot of luck. They had the second easiest schedule in the league and they went 8-3 in games decided by 7 or fewer points. The toxic workplace excuse only works if they weren't a lovely team prior to the coaching change. But 2017 has shown us that they're just reverting to form. The Giants have sucked and will continue to suck until they clean house. When they fired Coughlin they should've used that opportunity to fire everyone. What did they expect would happen when they promoted the guy running the anemic offense into a head coaching job? Beckham basically got McAdoo his job.
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Beckham is in the last year of his rookie contract right? No way Beckham stays a Giant.
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HatfulOfHollow posted:Just keep in mind that the 2016 Giants were a bad team that benefited from a lot of luck. They had the second easiest schedule in the league and they went 8-3 in games decided by 7 or fewer points. Wasn’t it the 2015 Giants team that had it the other way? Like, they’d have been 11-5 if the games ended after 59 minutes but kept losing in the last minute and ended up 6-10 or whatever...
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HatfulOfHollow posted:Jesus. I just audibly gasped reading that. That's dodging a bullet. Wentz would've been written off as another failed QB if McAdoo got the job. Pederson was the -third- choice in that coaching search. First was Ben McAdoo. Second was...Tom Coughlin 
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Honey I wanted to pickup some Braeburn and Pink Ladies at the store but all they had left were a few gross looking McAdoos. Sorry.
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The fact that Reese scrambled to make sure he didn't lose McAdoo should be his undoing this year. I'm not going to hold any hope going forward if he stays on as GM even if McAdoo is let go.
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Vengarr posted:Pederson was the -third- choice in that coaching search. Coughlin would have developed Wentz But since Coughlin wasn’t hired as HC elsewhere I’m not so sure he was the second choice.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Honey I wanted to pickup some Braeburn and Pink Ladies at the store but all they had left were a few gross looking McAdoos. Sorry. I laughed at this more than I should have.
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So, as we’re playing the “alternate NFCE timeline” game anyway: What would have happened if Chip had been able to make the trade to draft Mariota?
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aBagorn posted:So, as we’re playing the “alternate NFCE timeline” game anyway: Chip Kelly would have been fired because he still a garbage coach and the Eagles would have been left with a top15 QB as opposed to a top 5 Aaaaand from what i remember the trade for Mariota was going to be way more expensive than the Wentz one so we would have had even less draft picks.
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aBagorn posted:So, as we’re playing the “alternate NFCE timeline” game anyway: Team still would have hated him They'd be in a similar place to now
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aBagorn posted:Yeah I guess the implied question was "what would Doug be doing with Mariota" Probably the same hes doing with Wentz tbh, they are very similar players.
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CyberPingu posted:Chip Kelly would have been fired because he still a garbage coach and the Eagles would have been left with a top15 QB as opposed to a top 5 Lol Mariota is better than wentz
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Metapod posted:Lol Mariota is better than wentz look at this guy who got stuck in August somehow.
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Metapod posted:Lol Mariota is better than wentz MVP Mariota.
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Metapod posted:Lol Mariota is better than wentz Except hes not
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