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Panfilo posted:I just gotta wonder if perhaps a person that managed to rack up 4 student loans with nothing to show for it might not be making all the best decisions for their child's care. jesus christ
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Alright, alright, we all know that not being wealthy is just plain bad with money. I'm getting reports about this healthcare derail, and I faintly remember there being a subforum for that. Has anyone attended a horse bar mitzvah lately?
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Moneyball posted:Alright, alright, we all know that not being wealthy is just plain bad with money. I'm getting reports about this healthcare derail, and I faintly remember there being a subforum for that. Is gelding a horse considered a horsebriss?
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Nov 14, 2017 20:33
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The topic wasn't "bad with money" it was "despite our enormous wealth as a society what do we have to show for it?"
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therobit posted:Is gelding a horse considered a horsebriss? Only if you do the metzitzah oral suction part
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Nov 14, 2017 20:42
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:The topic wasn't "bad with money" it was "despite our enormous wealth as a society what do we have to show for it?" What you have to show is the largest socialist state in the world. All the social welfare only goes to the wealthy though. Typical of all socialist states they are unsustainable and accumulate public debt to the point of economic collapse. The US should instead embrace capitalism because it's BWM to reject it.
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:The topic wasn't "bad with money" it was "despite our enormous wealth as a society what do we have to show for it?" Couple really rich old guys and a fat ugly 4-chan manbaby for president 
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rotaryfun posted:It can't happen if you give your kid Tylenol and wait for them to cool down instead of going to the hospital... is all my point is. When you took your kid to the hospital for a seizure, you had a spouse who could presumably pick up some slack for you at home. I'm guessing you also had a reliable vehicle and a job with some flexibility for the next day so you hopefully weren't dragging too much rear end. That's your privilege. You also have an amount of health literacy this person doesn't (though not quite as much as you think you do). This woman has a kid with frequent seizures which she knows how to stop, a job that makes $10/hr (so odds are good she's tired and hungry), an unreliable vehicle, and the effects of long term stress. It makes people make short term decisions, like "oh poo poo my kid is having another seizure, stop the seizure." $10/hr jobs aren't usually big on flex time or PTO, but they are big on irregular shifts and firing people for calling out. I don't know how the emergency department is in your neck of the woods, but an aborted febrile seizure in a busy place is going to get triaged to the back of the line in most places, meaning an easy 4-6 hours for the ED to likely tell you "yep keep doing what you're doing." That's time she likely needed to get ready for work, sleep, take care of the house, or be at work. Yeah, we all know if the kid's condition were documented, the rules say he should be getting assistance. What the rules say and what happens in real life are often two different things, though, and this is someone who clearly needs an advocate to help navigate the system. Just because the hospital may have a social worker available doesn't mean they'll be engaged, and going to the ED isn't even the best way to do it. It should be the kid's primary care physician, but there's a shortage and the majority of the ones I've worked with have been assholes about doing their paperwork because they think they shouldn't have to. They also don't respect schedules which makes it even harder for someone to get in if they have to work, so we're back at our underpaid single parent problem. I was writing this when you said no more. BonerGhost fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Nov 14, 2017 21:05
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NancyPants posted:That's your privilege. It always amuses me when people talk about privilege. They talk like these are things that were handed out. As if people of "privilege" didn't work for the things they have. Strive hard in school or work their way up from an entry level position to ensure a level of comfort later in life. As if they didn't set themselves up for success. As if they don't work an extra job to maintain their lifestyle choices when they and their partner decide to stay home with the kids instead of work. Everyone has the privilege to work and find a decent living. The only thing holding them back are their own reservations, lack of motivation, or previous lovely life decisions / responsibilities that have pinned them down to a specific lifestyle trap. At which point it becomes the peoples of "privilege" job to support. Yeah... privileged alright. rotaryfun fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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A lot of BWM comes down to divorce or having a kid when you aren't married. The state can hand out cash but when it comes down to it raising a kid alone is going to suck, especially a disabled kid. The dad in this scenario deserves most of the blame/mockery.
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rotaryfun posted:Everyone has the privilege to work and find a decent living. The only thing holding them back are their own reservations, lack of motivation, or previous lovely life decisions / responsibilities that have pinned them down to a specific lifestyle trap. At which point it becomes the peoples of "privilege" job to support. You're commenting on a post about a kid born with CMV.
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“She has a 4 year old son who has some disabilities(not mine).” I initially read this as “he doesn’t have my disabilities” and for a second it made things make a little bit more sense.
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rotaryfun posted:It always amuses me when people talk about privilege. They talk like these are things that were handed out. As if people of "privilege" didn't work for the things they have. Strive hard in school or work their way up from an entry level position to ensure a level of comfort later in life. As if they didn't set themselves up for success. As if they don't work an extra job to maintain their lifestyle choices when they and their partner decide to stay home with the kids instead of work. I have to say, it really amuses me that when I see a post like yours I am like 99.99% sure that most of your post history will be in video game threads.
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rotaryfun posted:It always amuses me when people talk about privilege. They talk like these are things that were handed out. As if people of "privilege" didn't work for the things they have. Strive hard in school or work their way up from an entry level position to ensure a level of comfort later in life. As if they didn't set themselves up for success. As if they don't work an extra job to maintain their lifestyle choices when they and their partner decide to stay home with the kids instead of work. guy i knew in school was kid of a >300-millionaire saudi prince and would get wire transfers of $300 grand for fun money he wanted plastic surgery and they flew a guy in from new york just lol
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Nov 14, 2017 21:33
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NancyPants posted:You're commenting on a post about a kid born with CMV.
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NancyPants posted:You're commenting on a post about a kid born with CMV. Who must rely on a BWL parent. Yes. Incredibly sad situation I agree. Droo posted:I have to say, it really amuses me that when I see a post like yours I am like 99.99% sure that most of your post history will be in video game threads. How I spend my free time matters how in this context? bob dobbs is dead posted:guy i knew in school was kid of a >300-millionaire saudi prince and would get wire transfers of $300 grand for fun money Well we can't all be Saudi princes.
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rotaryfun posted:Who must rely on a BWL parent. Yes. Incredibly sad situation I agree.
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rotaryfun posted:It always amuses me when people talk about privilege. They talk like these are things that were handed out. As if people of "privilege" didn't work for the things they have. Strive hard in school or work their way up from an entry level position to ensure a level of comfort later in life. As if they didn't set themselves up for success. As if they don't work an extra job to maintain their lifestyle choices when they and their partner decide to stay home with the kids instead of work. It always amuses me when ignorant people think they know what they are talking about.
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rotaryfun posted:How I spend my free time matters how in this context? Because you view taking your kid to the hospital for seizures like a fetch quest in an MMO
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I really hope you guys understand that I certainly wish the best for the child and his family and that the mom gets her poo poo straight and the child some care that he certainly needs and deserves. Ultimately it's the mother and father failing the child. In all of this, my point is that some effort is needed in part on all sides. Cruel reality is that more effort is needed from the mother. Even crueler reality is that it's the child that suffers. Inept posted:Because you view taking your kid to the hospital for seizures like a fetch quest in an MMO I sure would like to know the world you live in that you can just claim to have problems and get free money. rotaryfun fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Nov 14, 2017 22:08
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rotaryfun posted:I really hope you guys understand that I certainly wish the best for the child and his family and that the mom gets her poo poo straight and the child some care that he certainly needs and deserves. Ultimately it's the mother and father failing the child. Nah. You totally discount the effect that broken systems have on fallible human beings. Human error must be accepted and planned for if you truly don't want people to come to harm and suffer. beep boop.
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The mom is doing a bad job but that doesn’t change the fact the system as a whole is failing the child (and has probably also failed the mother, if not now, certainly in the past). But the guy staying with her is real BWM and if he cares about his money more than he cares about her he needs to get the gently caress out.
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I know this thread is specifically not for us to tell stories about ourselves, so suffice to say the story part here is just "Oh god I hate that I have to use a CPAP machine, it's just like a little tube draining directly from my veins into the insurance and medical supply company's evil bubbling cauldron of 'got you by the loving balls now haven't we' juice." While doing some comparison shopping, I came across this, which feels like it IS worthy of the thread. You could, in theory, finance this 6-pack of filters - each of which is intended for no more than 2 weeks of use. 
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rotaryfun posted:It always amuses me when people talk about privilege. They talk like these are things that were handed out. As if people of "privilege" didn't work for the things they have. Strive hard in school or work their way up from an entry level position to ensure a level of comfort later in life. As if they didn't set themselves up for success. As if they don't work an extra job to maintain their lifestyle choices when they and their partner decide to stay home with the kids instead of work. Hoo boy. If you're trolling then you are hitting all the right notes spot-on. Bravo, brave shitposter 
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rotaryfun posted:It always amuses me when people talk about privilege. Rule 1: It only amuses people with really unbelievably high levels of privilege to talk about privilege. rotaryfun posted:They talk like these are things that were handed out. The literal definition of privilege are things that were handed out. You were born white, in America, in the middle of the most prosperous economic period in human history. You had two parents who taught you how to read, and endured no substantial hardship in your entire privileged loving life. I know you're a white man because nobody else would have the audacity to question the literal existence of having a benefit handed out by virtue of being born white in America. You'll claim that your upbringing was working class or some other such supposed disqualification from privilege. You'll say because you went to public school that you couldn't have gotten that much privilege with a wink and a nod, all the while quiet about the profound differences of what it means to go to public school in whatever white middle class haven you hail from and the black inner city schools that have illiterate high school seniors. rotaryfun posted:As if people of "privilege" didn't work for the things they have. Rule 2: People with privilege don't have to work as hard. You don't have to work to show you're earnest or trustworthy - in fact as a white man you have to work to disqualify yourself as those two things. They are the default for white men. They are not the default for people of color. rotaryfun posted:Strive hard in school or work their way up from an entry level position to ensure a level of comfort later in life. Rule 3: People with privilege "enter" higher, and ascend faster at everything they do. That's the nature of privilege. rotaryfun posted:As if they didn't set themselves up for success. Rule 4: One of the nastiest tricks about privilege is its total opacity to any one individual. Without a good handle on statistics, someone who's enjoyed extreme privilege almost never realizes it. rotaryfun posted:As if they don't work an extra job to maintain their lifestyle choices when they and their partner decide to stay home with the kids instead of work. Privilege makes everything easier - from finding a job to keeping a job, to finding a partner to maintaining a stable relationship. Privilege greases the skid of every decision you think you're making. rotaryfun posted:Everyone has the privilege to work and find a decent living. The only thing holding them back are their own reservations, lack of motivation, or previous lovely life decisions / responsibilities that have pinned them down to a specific lifestyle trap. At which point it becomes the peoples of "privilege" job to support. Yeah... privileged alright. Rule 5: Privilege is self-sustaining. It attempts to erase any trace of itself, because to do otherwise is to begin to doubt that one is worthy of the bounty they've received. To ignore the enormous benefits you've entitlements you've received through no virtue of your own, you have to attribute every individual's lot in life wholly to a sum of their own choices.
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BWM: knowing I spent $10 to read people argue about privilege in the BWM thread
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Don't get me wrong, privilege is very, very GWM.
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Yaaa i grew up on a 22k family income while my white friends who bitch about "minorities wanting poo poo for free" tell me these tear inducing stories about how they had to make do with a 60k income for four people and it was so hard please understand, also they had to learn how to cope with eating ramen at college, the sheer horror of it all It is especially problematic when these narratives of personal struggle come from the mouths of left leaning individuals who want to be able to relate with those they're arguing in favor of, it reduces real struggles to a farce because it makes the other side go "holy hell shut up you entitled goober" Everyone has their struggles but shut in gamer nerds and people of privelege simply lack exposure and engaging with other humans, especially those of different backgrounds, would do much more in opening their eyes than any post here can ever accomplish Basically even people who don't have a lot of exposure feel inclined to make large, overarching assumptions
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:You'll claim that your upbringing was working class or some other such supposed disqualification from privilege. You'll say because you went to public school that you couldn't have gotten that much privilege with a wink and a nod, all the while quiet about the profound differences of what it means to go to public school in whatever white middle class haven you hail from and the black inner city schools that have illiterate high school seniors. I am a white male who is the son of a retired enlisted navy man and stay at home mother. Life included moving every 3 years to military bases in Corpus Christi TX, Pensacola FL, Norfolk VA, and Annapolis MD (this place is definitely a place of privilege). Please, continue to tell me about my life of privilege on a single income enlisted mans salary. That was something to read though.
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The best part is where I presage your attempt to disqualify yourself from privilege because of a working class background and then boom there it goes.rotaryfun posted:I am a white male You can really leave it here my dogg.
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Thanks for including a helpful citation to strengthen my argument! That's exactly what I mean. You're still struggling to understand the concept behind the word privelege, and are lashing out defensively instead while posting a narrative that doesn't hint at underprivilege in the slightest We all have our struggles don't get me wrong but you're not getting it at all dude
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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:The topic wasn't "bad with money" it was "despite our enormous wealth as a society what do we have to show for it?" Horse Mitzvahs Please take the mantle of New TB and continue the good fight against John Smith's parachute accounts. Volmarias fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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the video isn't available in my region. was it just a video of this? 
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Somehow I'm the rear end in a top hat because I'm a white male and some poo poo parent can't take care of herself and her kid. Cool thanks for the lesson today guys. 'MERICA
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rotaryfun posted:I am a white male who is the son of a retired enlisted navy man and stay at home mother. Life included moving every 3 years to military bases in Corpus Christi TX, Pensacola FL, Norfolk VA, and Annapolis MD (this place is definitely a place of privilege). Eh, you blew your load with this one, too early IMHO. 6/10 would put straight on ignore list next time
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rotaryfun posted:I am a white male who is the son of a retired enlisted navy man and stay at home mother. Life included moving every 3 years to military bases in Corpus Christi TX, Pensacola FL, Norfolk VA, and Annapolis MD (this place is definitely a place of privilege). I am a white male who was enlisted in the military. Life included moving every 3 years to military bases in Clarksville TN, South Korea, Augusta, Georgia, with a year in Kandahar, Afghanistan. I joined because I was hooked on drugs and had no money or future. I grew up in a single parent household and my birthday gift every year was a day off from school. I am 100% serious when I say I am privileged as gently caress.
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Jordan7hm posted:the video isn't available in my region. No it's an INCREDIBLY catchy song with the following lyrics: I am white and I've got everything I need. No one clutches their purse when they're in a room alone with me and I can drive through any neighborhood I please at any hour and the police don't do a thing. So if I see a penny on the ground, I leave it alone or loving flip it. I'm a straight white male in America. I've got all the luck I need. I'm a guy getting paid more than a girl with a degree and I can walk down the street at night and no one wants to rape me. And I can get a girl pregnant and just as easily flee. Just like my straight, white male dad did to me. So if I see a penny on the ground, I leave it alone or loving flip it. I'm a straight white male in America. I've got all the luck I need. I've got a pile of broken mirrors and I'm walking under ladders and I'll spill a ton of salt because to me that doesn't matter. Cus my skin and my gender and my orientation are the best things to have when you live in this nation. I recommend it highly. So if I see a penny on the ground, I leave it alone or loving flip it. I'm a straight white male in America. I've got all the luck I need. poo poo's gonna work out for me. I'm a straight white male in America. I've got all the luck I need.
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