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Uroboros posted:Most of these guys seem to have become initially popular back when Dawkins, Harris, etc enjoyed the height of their popularity. Of those listed in the OP Thunderfoot was the only one I ever listened to, although I was at least aware of the others. I always did find it depressing that so many devolved into madness over feminism. i like the bible realoaded. they sometimes have shitheads on but they never go reactionary and they havent had shitheads on in a while. they are pretty progressive too.
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Mr Interweb posted:I was arguing with some jerkoff a while back about this dude. This guy was complaining that people using the wrong gender term for trans people will cause them to go to jail cause of that law in Canada that Peterson is against. I pointed out to him that nowhere does it say anyone will be imprisoned (or even fined) if they accidentally misgender someone. At this point he shifted the goal posts to saying that okay, maybe no one will go to jail, but the law forces people to use the pronouns that the trans person in question wants, and that's "compelled speech" and is therefore a bridge too far. OwlFancier posted:What the hell is a postmodern neomarxist? In reality it's thingidon'tlike badperson.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so what the gently caress does he teach? I am history major and outside weird CJ minor and interest herptology, i dont know dick about your or his field. Much of his work is centered around personality research (‘the big five’) and its correlation with various other traits like spirituality and political alignment. It’s medium impact stuff, but nothing particularly groundbreaking or awful. Personality research is still a bit of a crap shoot honestly. As for specifically what classes he teaches? Well, I go to a competing university in southern Ontario- not the same university. So I honestly have no clue.
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Guavanaut posted:If I had to guess in good faith, I'd say it was someone who turned Marxist class analysis to other issues. Marx and Engels already did this in a basic manner for race and gender, but Marxist Feminist dialectic and BPP Maoism took the thought much further. Then you got Red Butterfly and Marxist analysis of LGB issues, and so on. Someone who put honest thought into why a landlord couldn't just choose to self-define as proletarian would be engaging in postmodern neomarxism. Yeah but as you said, marxism is a framework that can be applied to things, so applying it to other stuff is just... what it's for...
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Yeah, but the OG Marxists were homophobic af, so Red Butterfly applying Marxian frameworks to oppression of sexuality could be seen realistically as a neo-Marxism. If you can have neo-Nazis, who are still Nazis, and applying their lovely thought to modern issues, it makes sense that you can have neo-Marxism. Putting it within a postmodern framework would involve taking the idea that a single form of Marxism is not applicable to all cultures, and forcing a European Marxism onto, say, Native Americans could be an oppressive act in and of itself. (Some Native Americans leftists have said as much, and that they have their own liberationary models.) It could also examine how people can be oppressed based on self-defined labels. I'm 95% sure I've just put more thought into this than he ever did.
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Nov 14, 2017 22:40
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JVNO posted:Much of his work is centered around personality research (‘the big five’) and its correlation with various other traits like spirituality and political alignment. It’s medium impact stuff, but nothing particularly groundbreaking or awful. Personality research is still a bit of a crap shoot honestly. He's apparently not teaching anything this year. He's taking time off to tweet hot takes like this https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/928981541849522176
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aware of dog posted:He's apparently not teaching anything this year. He's taking time off to tweet hot takes like this I love watching these guys go full Wahhabist Sahwa in 2017 and then argue that they're somehow more civilized than other societies plagued by people like them.
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Nov 14, 2017 22:46
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Guavanaut posted:So does he think that 'compelling' people to call persons of African descent black or African instead of a whole lot of other words at the risk of job loss and social ostracism is a bridge too far too? Because it's a coin toss between "no that's different because..." and "hell yeah we used to call them..." I asked him something similar, and he said that forcing someone to not say something (i.e. you can't say the n-word to a Black person) is different than if a trans person forced him to say something like "zhe" and only that pronoun.
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Yeah, he has this weird idea that society is held together by tape and sticky tack and is constantly on the verge of utter collapse. His books basically espouse the dangers of dismantling societal norms, and likes to fellate the importance of judeo Christian values while identifying as personally agnostic. This is where he goes completely off the rails and beyond his expertise I feel. In a creepy way his rhetoric reminds me of the emphasis on ‘cultural Christianity’ espoused by Anders Breivek. Mr Interweb posted:I asked him something similar, and he said that forcing someone to not say something (i.e. you can't say the n-word to a Black person) is different than if a trans person forced him to say something like "zhe" and only that pronoun. ... How?
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JVNO posted:... How? Also, How in the sense of how does he think that happens? Are the transtasi following people around with cattle prods and zapping them every time they use the wrong pronoun?
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Mr Interweb posted:I asked him something similar, and he said that forcing someone to not say something (i.e. you can't say the n-word to a Black person) is different than if a trans person forced him to say something like "zhe" and only that pronoun. This kind of shut makes me angry. The whole "made-up" pronouns thing is such a blatant attempt to delegitimize trans and non binary people by casting their desire for respect and equal treatment as unreasonable. It comes from the same place as the ranting and raving SJW stereotypes that you see in Ben Garrison cartoons. It allows them to maintain a veneer of respectability: no, they're not actually bigoted, they just hate those lgbtq people, you know the ones. As retweeted by JBP himself: https://twitter.com/roamingmil/status/930211094508994562
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Uroboros posted:Potholer54 – Journalist who has made a large number of really good videos in support of climate change, directly addressing the lies and misinformation put out by deniers. Seconding Potholer54, his climate change videos that I have seen are great in explaining the different aspects and countering denier claims. He seems to take a less absolutist stance about science compared to the usual skeptic-to-alt-light personalities and he has a good introduction in how to approach reading scientific research.
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aware of dog posted:This kind of shut makes me angry. The whole "made-up" pronouns thing is such a blatant attempt to delegitimize trans and non binary people by casting their desire for respect and equal treatment as unreasonable. It comes from the same place as the ranting and raving SJW stereotypes that you see in Ben Garrison cartoons. It allows them to maintain a veneer of respectability: no, they're not actually bigoted, they just hate those lgbtq people, you know the ones. As retweeted by JBP himself: There is an excellent reason not to call her "she" and that's that "twatface" is a much better pronoun.
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"Let's not let our opposition to SJWs turn us into a-holes, k? " loving lmao you're already there sister.
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I swear to god the moment some nerd says Postmodernism in a sneering tone I break out in hives coz I just instinctually know I'm gonna hear some searingly hot takes. Where did the lovely manchild hate-on for Postmodernism originate from? (inb4 it turns out it was the actual loving Nazis like a lot of this dumb poo poo).
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By this point he gave up on arguing that this had some practical effect on his life but that THEORETICALLY this could be used by some evil trans person looking for trouble and also that this was a principled free speech (tm) issue so it doesn't really matter what the actual outcomes are.
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Nov 14, 2017 23:01
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Groovelord Neato posted:"Let's not let our opposition to SJWs turn us into a-holes, k? " loving lmao you're already there sister. “...and now for my special guest, Richard Spencer!”
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SteelMentor posted:Where did the lovely manchild hate-on for Postmodernism originate from? (inb4 it turns out it was the actual loving Nazis like a lot of this dumb poo poo). its just a buzzword that people who think of themselves as rogue academics or outlaw autodidacts love to throw around to explain their divergence with academia it's a totally meaningless term unless qualified. postmodern what? postmodernism isn't a single coherent field or adjective, it means a bunch of different things - in literature, in philosophy, in architecture, etc. because of the unfortunate habit that people had as describing themselves as "modernist" a few decades ago but it sounds intellectual and it vaguely means, without qualification, "new things" so you can just sneer out "i disagree with postmodernism" and get other idiots to agree with you
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Nov 14, 2017 23:05
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Blaire White attacked in Hollywood (nail broken/drink thrown on her) for wearing MAGA hat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyHB0COkw3s Of course, this is Blaire White, so for all we know this was staged.
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Nov 14, 2017 23:06
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Mr Interweb posted:By this point he gave up on arguing that this had some practical effect on his life but that THEORETICALLY this could be used by some evil trans person looking for trouble and also that this was a principled free speech (tm) issue so it doesn't really matter what the actual outcomes are. The move on, because this individual is more interested in their fever dreams of persecution than having an intellectually honest debate.
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fallenturtle posted:Blaire White attacked in Hollywood (nail broken/drink thrown on her) for wearing MAGA hat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyHB0COkw3s Feel bad for the person who paid for that drink, a waste of valuble liquid
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fallenturtle posted:Blaire White attacked in Hollywood (nail broken/drink thrown on her) for wearing MAGA hat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyHB0COkw3s "i'm just going to put this hat on and film myself walking around as an experiment" *heads directly to nearest anti-trump protest*
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The Right's so desperate to be oppressed. Which is double stupid for Blaire with her being trans and all.
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SteelMentor posted:I swear to god the moment some nerd says Postmodernism in a sneering tone I break out in hives coz I just instinctually know I'm gonna hear some searingly hot takes.
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Al-Saqr posted:I love watching these guys go full Wahhabist Sahwa in 2017 and then argue that they're somehow more civilized than other societies plagued by people like them. yeah, pretty much. SteelMentor posted:I swear to god the moment some nerd says Postmodernism in a sneering tone I break out in hives coz I just instinctually know I'm gonna hear some searingly hot takes. i am mixed on it but that's just the history major in me. its not a bad thing in its self at all. hell most of it is good. learning about oppressed groups from their own sources and other cultures from their own sources as well of being critical of how and what is taught in history. personally, i think some people take it to far and get too "judgmental". in history as most of my teachers have said. your supposed to be objective in your papers and classes. like you can't attack say, Erasmus for not having 21st century progressive ideals. and some people just want to scrap any history humanities class that doesn't bend exactly to their sensibilities or politics. (the alt right does that all the time as do some on left) i am describing it badly so i'll just stop. sorry. but no postmodern humanities isnt bad, it just attracts some dumbasses. aware of dog posted:This kind of shut makes me angry. The whole "made-up" pronouns thing is such a blatant attempt to delegitimize trans and non binary people by casting their desire for respect and equal treatment as unreasonable. It comes from the same place as the ranting and raving SJW stereotypes that you see in Ben Garrison cartoons. It allows them to maintain a veneer of respectability: no, they're not actually bigoted, they just hate those lgbtq people, you know the ones. As retweeted by JBP himself: jesus, even if you think that poo poo, just be polite and call them their preferred pronoun.
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Attacks on postmodernism as a blanket term are often tied to critiques of postmodernist relativism(epistemological or moral) or obscurantism(think Sokal hoax). While postmodern movement thinkers in some fields do have genuine issues with both of these, the details of these more narrow and actor-specific problems have nothing to do with the person making the attack on "postmodernism" as a whole, because the person making the attack is unfailingly completely ignorant of the significant details involved. If they were familiar with the actual problem, they'd talk about it instead of "postmodernism".
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Groovelord Neato posted:imagine being so stupid you think anyone cares about misgendering some dragonkin weirdo that probably exists nowhere but a random tumblr post. In an attempt to disprove your thesis I inadvertently found this. These things appear to reproduce by bleeding in each other's hands and don't poop, but they still have two genders. I...I forget where I was going with this.
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Groovelord Neato posted:imagine being so stupid you think anyone cares about misgendering some dragonkin weirdo that probably exists nowhere but a random tumblr post. it's part of the increasingly cringey problem of Extremely Online People who spend so much time on internet that they vastly overblow the influence of tumblr dragonkin on society like, you kind of need to be forced to interact with a wide variety of different people so you can get a sense of what baseline normal is, lest you think that it's normal to have an opinion on gamergate or the color of sonic's arms
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Discendo Vox posted:Attacks on postmodernism as a blanket term are often tied to critiques of postmodernist relativism(epistemological or moral) or obscurantism(think Sokal hoax). While postmodern movement thinkers in some fields do have genuine issues with both of these, the details of these more narrow and actor-specific problems have nothing to do with the person making the attack on "postmodernism" as a whole, because the person making the attack is unfailingly completely ignorant of the significant details involved. If they were familiar with the actual problem, they'd talk about it instead of "postmodernism". yeah, the relativism and poo poo are my issues with it, its the people delivering it rather then the concept. but as concept its good thing. these people just use it as buzzword= BADTHING.
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Discendo Vox posted:In an attempt to disprove your thesis I inadvertently found this. These things appear to reproduce by bleeding in each other's hands and don't poop, but they still have two genders. I...I forget where I was going with this. you are history's greatest monster.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:these people just use it as buzzword= BADTHING. Just like Cultural Marxism is also an actual thing, but has next to nothing to do with how it’s actually used by alt right shitheads- that being a synonym for ‘thing I don’t like’
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aware of dog posted:He's apparently not teaching anything this year. He's taking time off to tweet hot takes like this reminder that it took until like, the 1970s for it to be illegal for a husband to rape his wife. when sex was "traditionally" enshrined in marriage it was only for men.
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Discendo Vox posted:In an attempt to disprove your thesis I inadvertently found this. These things appear to reproduce by bleeding in each other's hands and don't poop, but they still have two genders. I...I forget where I was going with this.  http://dragoia.wikia.com/wiki/SinBragia jesus christ. 
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Groovelord Neato posted:do these guys really think high schoolers didn't gently caress back in the day?? well, they sure as gently caress didn't.
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Groovelord Neato posted:do these guys really think high schoolers didn't gently caress back in the day?? They're basing it on their personal experience.
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Groovelord Neato posted:do these guys really think high schoolers didn't gently caress back in the day?? *Mostly the women.
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Ash Crimson posted:Feel bad for the person who paid for that drink, a waste of valuble liquid Don't worry, Blaire probably reimbursed him.
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