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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
QLD Labor going hard on the "Vote for Tim Nichols is a vote for Pauline Hanson" line.

This was a huge winner in WA, so not a bad plan to be fair.

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
We need them running until full automation. Please don't muddy the timeline.

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Seems more of a problem with lovely Western Sydney residents than lovely foreigners. I can't see any significant relationship between minority communities in Vic or other states and voting no.

Eh, the correlation is pretty clear. Perhaps the problem is in your simplistic use of the term "lovely"

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Problematic foreigners over which hangs a question.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

rapeface posted:

Also, related to Asian Christian news, a fellow hard science PhD student tried to convince me to go with him to church a few years back. When I asked why he believed/converted, he told me that he knew a mentally challenged kid who always gave the correct answer to questions despite not having any logical reason for him knowing the correct answer. When asked about the existence of God, he said yes.

Dude literally had a prophet in the back pocket lol

Oh yeah, that's the pressing question and not asking how to create a time machine. loving no imagination.

JBP posted:

Problematic foreigners over which hangs a question.

This trolling's really weak.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Birdstrike posted:

Why is it awkward?

If you think that negative attitudes to homosexuality are bad and should be countered this sounds awfully similar to telling immigrants to conform to dominant Australian cultural values, although they were only demonstrated to be so in the last 1 day. Conversely, right wingers are now in the awkward position of arguing (as they were during the survey campaign) for the rights and beliefs of ethnic minorities they previously never gave a poo poo about.

Just look at the thread over the last couple of weeks saying 'perhaps the real problem is the Chinese' and people getting uncomfortable about it in response.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/kloussikian/status/930655267464929280

Nice work Brandis.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:


This trolling's really weak.

It's not a troll. It's a reference to Nazis used satirically as we debate how to parse supporting multiculturalism when doing so fosters communities that exist in opposition to other liberal/progressive ideals.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

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Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012

https://twitter.com/dylan_caporn/status/930655995071778823

Abbott scores one win today.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

JBP posted:

It's not a troll. It's a reference to Nazis used satirically as we debate how to parse supporting multiculturalism when doing so fosters communities that exist in opposition to other liberal/progressive ideals.

actually it's intersectionality

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

Zenithe posted:

I'm not up to date on The Manifesto, someone remind me what polygamous gender marriage is.

It's where all one hundred genders the no pamphlets warned you about get married to each other all at once

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Paterson is not moving forward with his bill.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


JBP posted:

Problematic foreigners over which hangs a question.

'Foreigners' didn't have a vote on marriage equality as you have to be a citizen to register to vote and the survey forms only went to registered voters. As a permanent resident I didn't get a form.

I'm proud of my adopted country today though.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

So do we want more immigrants that hold terrible conservative/religious beliefs or less now?

maybe if they just assimilated better it wouldnt be such a big problem.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Considering being open and not racist towards immigrants leads to far better results with regard to integration, there's literally no need to change the left's position.

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai
The majority of Australians voted yes and there's no reason to believe a conservative immigrant minority will erode that attitude over time, even with increased immigration. The opposite will likely happen. Worrying over this poo poo is irrational, as is blanket condemnation of these communities for not immediately turning progressive within a single generation.

Amethyst
Mar 28, 2004

I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
plz notice me trunk-senpai
All of the "nuke western Sydney" and "christ i can't believe our neighbors over in blaxland are all idiot moron ignorant homophobes" posts i'm seeing on here and facebook aren't particularly helpful

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Paterson is not moving forward with his bill.

Oh no, Eric will be so disappointed.

Dude McAwesome
Sep 30, 2004

Still better than a Ponytar


gently caress the govt is doing a spectacular job of self-owning lately. So good.

Anyone in Melbourne going to the Yes party at Trades Hall? I walked past earlier when they were setting up and it looked like a dope setup.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Hasn't analysis shown that 1st and second generation Australian born children of conservative immigrants are actually to the left of most Australian's of angloethnic origin?

VodeAndreas
Apr 30, 2009

Helith posted:

I'm proud of my adopted country today though.

gently caress off we're full(y embracing marriage equality)

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Considering being open and not racist towards immigrants leads to far better results with regard to integration, there's literally no need to change the left's position.

emptyquoting

Amethyst posted:

All of the "nuke western Sydney" and "christ i can't believe our neighbors over in blaxland are all idiot moron ignorant homophobes" posts i'm seeing on here and facebook aren't particularly helpful

These places already mostly vote left* it's not going to be hard to engage

*well, not-Tory at least

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Paterson is not moving forward with his bill.

My threat of a wedgie/swirly combo worked

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/CFMEUJohnSetka/status/930645355430940672

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Merc didn't get smashed, voted 1

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Les Affaires posted:

A bit too cynical for my tastes. The bureaucracy still exists in large part to shield politicians from their own stupidity. Think what you like about Scomo but he's wedged between the facts as they are and the politics of his base. He has been in his position long enough to have been explained the basics of modern keynesian stimulus and so on such that you've seen him gradually move his base towards greater intervention to stop the slide.

The facts presented to Bowen would be no different except the only thing holding him back would be his own views, which in the face of facts (which to Labor's credit they are a lot better at accepting politically) he would have no choice but to bend towards.

i’m worried that you’re overestimating the capacity of the aps to provide strong, independent advice

idk maybe it’s different in the central agencies but in my experience out in line agency hell nothing happens unless it originated in the minister’s office; there’s no appetite for providing ‘challenging’ information up the line.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
E: Smith's bill is up
https://twitter.com/AuSenate/status/930666946223276032

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Nov 15, 2017

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
Congratulations Aussies! You guys aren't going to be the worst English speaking country again for a long, long time. Yall done good!

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

hakimashou posted:

Congratulations Aussies! You guys aren't going to be the worst English speaking country again for a long, long time. Yall done good!

Wrong.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

BBJoey posted:

i’m worried that you’re overestimating the capacity of the aps to provide strong, independent advice

idk maybe it’s different in the central agencies but in my experience out in line agency hell nothing happens unless it originated in the minister’s office; there’s no appetite for providing ‘challenging’ information up the line.

This is how the current cabinet are running things, based on what I've been hearing.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

JBP posted:

Wrong.

Nah you guys are doing better and better and Britain is sinking further and further into the abyss of a new dark age.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

hakimashou posted:

Nah you guys are doing better and better and Britain is sinking further and further into the abyss of a new dark age.

Let me tell you about a little place called Manus Island, friend

Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009

hakimashou posted:

Congratulations Aussies! You guys aren't going to be the worst English speaking country again for a long, long time. Yall done good!

Maybe when we stop keeping refugees in concentration camps.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
:spergin: Technically Zimbabwe is an English-speaking country :spergin:

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

hakimashou posted:

Nah you guys are doing better and better and Britain is sinking further and further into the abyss of a new dark age.

LOL you have no idea dude.

Dude McAwesome
Sep 30, 2004

Still better than a Ponytar

hakimashou posted:

Congratulations Aussies! You guys aren't going to be the worst English speaking country again for a long, long time. Yall done good!

Dear friend, please google “manus island Australia refugee.”

We are a terrible country with a terrible government.

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VodeAndreas
Apr 30, 2009

hakimashou posted:

Congratulations Aussies! You guys aren't going to be the worst English speaking country again for a long, long time. Yall done good!

What's your opinion on imprisoning asylum seekers in offshore facilities?

E: very beaten, like the people we left on Manus Island

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