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Don Dongington posted:QLD Labor going hard on the "Vote for Tim Nichols is a vote for Pauline Hanson" line. This was the strategy that wiped out the Liberal party in QLD and ushered in Peter Beattie's 1000 year reign. Time for some Brisbanalysis:  Brisbane proper (Brisbane, Lilley, Griffith, Moreton, Oxley) came in solidly in support of gay marriage as did the Gold Coast. Rankin is centered on Logan which is basically the Western Sydney of Brisbane but they still managed to come good. To my surprise the hinterland electorates of Blair and Wright came in on the yes side. These are the historical homelands of Pauline Hanson and One Nation but it seems they are now firmly in Brisbane's cultural orbit. Every major coastal city also came out to support gay marriage all the way up to Cairns. Everything changes when you cross the Great Dividing range. Groom includes Toowoomba which has always been a shithole and is the geographic, economic and cultural gateway to Maranoa and Kennedy electorates.
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Schlesische posted:I AM SOLID AS A loving ROCK RIGHT NOW. "Good, gooooooooood.." also same
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Paterson is not moving forward with his bill. Probably because he realises it'll be easier to hang lovely amendments and changes onto the Smith bill than push his own.
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Nov 15, 2017 08:49
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:This is a weird conclusion to draw. If you are saying that Muslims have been pressured into not being homophobic because they are repressed and marginalised, whereas Chinese people are free to be more hateful because they are more accepted in society, surely the assumption would be that repression reduces homophobia, not leftist tolerance and decency. Im saying the left has engaged with the muslim community and it has at least made people think twice about being publically homophobic and that has flow on effects. Peer pressured in that there is the perception that the left will abandon the muslim commumity if they speak out against ssm. This perception comes from the muslim community. I havent seen any evidence of the left thinking this way and dont feel the muslim community has been actively pressured by them. There's less engagement with the left and the chinese community while the libs have chinese branches. Its has been a massively overlooked demographic for the greens and labor and they need to play catch up.
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Nov 15, 2017 09:01
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Mad Katter posted:Will it be worthwhile heading down in about an hour or so? I reckon so. People still queueing at the gate bit and we must also consider that it's a gay street party in the rain.
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Zenithe posted:Are you aware this was a non-binding, $120 million survey in which ~40% of Australians voted to not give gay people rights in order to appease a small group of shitheads currently in government? We should present the NO lobbyists with the plebiscite bill. They can split it equally. "Hey you wanted it instead of an actual vote like you are actually paid to do. Here's the invoice. Due in 30 days. Mortgage brokers are down the street."
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Nov 15, 2017 09:07
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Nov 15, 2017 09:22
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This is the loving best. God those loving smug faces. Eat dogshit Bernardi.
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DancingShade posted:We should present the NO lobbyists with the plebiscite bill. They can split it equally. I'm sure they'll get onto that right after they set up the robotdebt machine to start calling the ineligible senators about repaying their salaries
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I want to feel good about this win, I really do. But I can't. This is about basic loving human decency, just like Manus Island and our treatment of refugees. It's not something anyone should loving get an opinion on. It shouldn't even be a goddamn question. There is only one correct answer and it should be bloody obvious to everyone. I have gay siblings and friends. I watched Penny Wong break down on camera and my heart broke again for her and the rest of the LGBTQI community, for what they've been going through and still have to go through. It sickens me that there are 4.8 something million people in this country who have been given permission to hold a revolting viewpoint on an issue of basic human rights and are still allowed to live. Burn every single one of these fuckers alive. I'm so tired of people being so goddamn awful. Until it is set down in law(and without parallel legislation that literally legitimises discrimination against LGBTQI) I'll keep holding my breath.
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Nov 15, 2017 10:31
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Right.. who the gently caress are these people that are voting no? I've got a bunch of acquaintances who are 'ironically' against yes, but are these the ones that are dumping into no votes? My mum is a retarded conservative liberal line-tower, so I'm assuming theres a similar bunch of 60+ that are just living with the status quo and fear change. But gently caress me, who are these other people? What still boggles my mind is the volume of support these conservative fucks are getting. I can't understand their mentality, I've really tried to comprehend their mindset, but I just can't get it. How are people like Cory Bernardi getting a political voice in Australia, let alone a basic voice in public?
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Nov 15, 2017 10:49
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The people that voted no are olds, churchies, and first gen immigrants. If you don't hang out with anyone in these categories you probably don't know any out n proud no voters
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Nov 15, 2017 10:51
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Nov 15, 2017 10:57
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We're talking 40+ percent in every single suburb. Maybe that's the breakdown of olds/churchies/1gen immigrants, but it seems excessive. That being said, I find it incredibly depressing that there are such volumes of people that are either indifferent or outright against something that affects them so little. Indifferent I could at least excuse, but against? Where do you go from here politics-wise if you have such an enormous percentage of people that are willing to take outright discrimination/falsehoods as fact? Wait for them to die out? This is what truly disturbs me.
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Nov 15, 2017 11:03
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Large chunks of the population will side with whatever is the status quo. Once gay marriage is law the polls will swing hard in favour over time.
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Nov 15, 2017 11:10
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Ya'll just gotta accept that there's a sizeable chunk of working class people who never matured past high school and still use F***** or P****** as an insult. I mean is there a breakdown of education backgrounds too? It's not just immigrants.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Large chunks of the population will side with whatever is the status quo. Once gay marriage is law the polls will swing hard in favour over time. This, I heard stories of people voting no just out of some weird kind of apolitical conservatism where they don't want to change anything ever. It's almost that they are scared and/or lazy rather than ignorant or malicious.
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Nov 15, 2017 11:14
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The local services economy could use the boost of a few big gay weddings. Good for tourism too.
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Zenithe posted:This doesn't look too clear of a relationship. Actually not too bad for real data
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Nov 15, 2017 11:18
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Maybe it's just melancholy from the Midnight Oil concert on the weekend. 8k people in a park going absolutely crazy for political themed music covering aboriginal rights to land rights. Where's this stuff for the current day? I feel like there's nothing driving 'normal' centrist people towards politics, but there are volumes of these extreme or conservative views getting air time. Going into politics myself disturbs me because of the salami-slice effect meaning you end up standing for nothing due to the amount of compromise. Is that the only option?
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Its 38% of 79%, which works out to 30% of the population are terrible people or first genners. That's not too bad.
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Anidav posted:Ya'll just gotta accept that there's a sizeable chunk of working class people who never matured past high school and still use F***** or P****** as an insult. Pretty much this. My dad called me and told me about a coworker whinging about the result. My dad asked if he had been overseas before and he said he hadn't. There are a lot of people just content to live in their own bubble and not challenge their personal views on anything because that would make them uncomfortable. Apparently this guy didn't have much to say when it was brought up that the dutch have had same sex marriage for over 15 years and gay relations weren't a big deal in ancient Greece and Rome.
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frottage posted:Right.. who the gently caress are these people that are voting no? I've got a bunch of acquaintances who are 'ironically' against yes What the gently caress is that about?
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MythLisp posted:There are a lot of people just content to live in their own bubble and not challenge their personal views on anything because that would make them uncomfortable. Apparently this guy didn't have much to say when it was brought up that the dutch have had same sex marriage for over 15 years and gay relations weren't a big deal in ancient Greece and Rome. This is what blows my mind. It's clear that this is a big enough issue that we're spending 100 mill on it, if nothing else it's a big enough issue that you're getting a personal letter asking for your thoughts. I would have thought that even that basic amount of information would lead you to want to understand what it is that you are ticking. Which then leads to the assumption that these people are 'informed', somehow. Lots of assumptions there though. I'd really love to understand the breakdown of how people got to their voting conclusions.
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a reasonable amount of my social circle are olds and churchies, and most of them were vocally pro yes. probably self selecting though.
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hiddenmovement posted:Its 38% of 79%, which works out to 30% of the population are terrible people or first genners. That's not too bad. Yeah, it is probably the more or less the same everywhere. I'm not sure the correlation between voting no and being an immigrant is much to worry about. Their kids are going to school and are getting exposed to liberal values which will mostly break the cycle of conservative attitudes. You can see why the conservatives hate programs like Safe Schools though, issues around sexuality are a great source of fear which they can exploit for their own ends and if that gets normalised (which it should be) they lose a big motivation for people to vote for conservative politics. People who are saying the left needs to engage with these people more are right I think. It shouldn't be too hard to draw parallels between the discrimination immigrants face based on their race/religion and the discrimination other minorities the left sticks up for face, and that fair treatment and respect is something to strive for everyone.
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I’ve always assumed that at least 10% of the population are psychopaths.
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:I’ve always assumed that at least 10% of the population are psychopaths. What percentage of the population are politicians?
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Recoome posted:Actually not too bad for real data Looked like far too small of an effect for the sample size and not enough measurements at the farther end of the x axis. I’m not saying it’s nothing, but the line of fit seems a bit wonk.
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:I’ve always assumed that at least 10% of the population are psychopaths. I think its actually closer to 3%, but presumably there's a bunch of sub clinical psychopaths who haven't quite reached that point but are still fuckwits.
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Nov 15, 2017 11:51
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Honestly I think this Hollie Hughes thing is the funniest Constitutional eligibility issue yet. Not even one nation hosed up this badly.
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All the talk from the no camp has me certain that the libs are going to pull the ultimate scumbag move and try to use the change to the marriage act to weaken existing laws against lgtb discrimination. More ugliness from what should be a positive change.
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Socceroos staged a coup in Zimbabwe.
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Stolen for my new Facebook cover photo, thanks.
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This was not really an election about class imo. Plenty of working class areas voted in strong numbers for gay marriage. Like I mentioned before Hunter beat the national yes vote and that is working class as hell. Sydney is the most religious city in Australia. The hills district and Reid both have their share of Australian born Christians who would have voted no. The old "bible belt" ie the hills district that used to be most religious part of Sydney has migrated to the southwest. That is why yes lost a close one in Mitchell (the division representing the hills district) but got smashed to pieces in say Parramatta. If you look at this map from the 2016 census http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/census-2016-sydneys-bible-belt-is-losing-the-faith-20171004-gyuecs.html The yes vote lost pretty much only the aqua colored districts which are those that are defined as the most religious in Sydney. It was in my opinion olds and churchies. The immigrant part is mostly just a reflection that they are more likely to be "churchies" (well religious anyway) than folks born in Australia. It was a "cultural" election and the divide was based largely on how religious a person was. Remember these immigrants in blaxland voted for Jason Clare on a 63% PRIMARY in 2016 and Labor literally took passing gay marriage to the electorate as an election promise. I don't know if pro gay marriage is a debate we can win with super religious people. My granny is super religious (also an immigrant) and she voted yes but she also has a gay granddaughter. So maybe some kind of magic that can turn family members gay ? EDIT Not to say that there wasn't X percent of people voting to be an arsehole or because they were scared of cultural marxism. Just I believe it was mostly on religious grounds. Burn Down Canberra fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Nov 15, 2017 |
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