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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/TwoEyeHead/status/930627545065652224

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SadisTech
Jun 26, 2013

Clem.
I know people - male, white, moderately educated, non religious - who were vocally proclaiming themselves as 'no' voters. They're to a man from working class and tradie families and tend to live in outer suburbs.

It's very possible to be educated, middle class and pig ignorant. This is the demographic you're overlooking.

Their reasoning can't really be dignified with the term. It boils down to 'gently caress poofters'.

Elector_Nerdlingen
Sep 27, 2004




Burn Down Canberra
Oct 27, 2005

GAME PLANS? We don't need no stinking game plans.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

SadisTech posted:

I know people - male, white, moderately educated, non religious - who were vocally proclaiming themselves as 'no' voters. They're to a man from working class and tradie families and tend to live in outer suburbs.

It's very possible to be educated, middle class and pig ignorant. This is the demographic you're overlooking.

Their reasoning can't really be dignified with the term. It boils down to 'gently caress poofters'.

Absolutely I would put that in the "arsehole" category.

Religious, crazed right winger scared of cultural marxism or just a prick these are the three categories that no voters would largely come from. A lot of them from all three. Its just in NSW it was religion that dominated why people voted no. certainly in Sydney

Burn Down Canberra fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Nov 15, 2017

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012

https://twitter.com/coopesdetat/status/930757729156718592

So very, very salty

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Who will stand up for florists being forced to make gay floral arrangements?

Korgan
Feb 14, 2012


I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

instead of "oh yeah", Pell should be saying "too old"

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

Hot Takes from Devine AND Latham.

woofbro
Nov 25, 2013

Burn Down Canberra posted:

Just I believe it was mostly on religious grounds.

I had friends who were surprised at the result in Western Sydney, but people here have religious values and vote either in that direction or what traditional values dictate.

I’d say some working classism comes into it, but the fact that other states votes Yes in higher percentages than NSW and have smaller immigrant groups than Western Sydney leads me to think it’s more to do with first generation Australians. I can guarantee that their kids would be more likely to vote yes.

Checking those electorate maps, many senators haven’t indicated whether they’re for or against, unless they’re bloody Craig Kelly. Definitely strategic for the ALP imo. I recall some news tabloid carrying on that some were sitting on the fence.

Edit: Kelly said he’d vote yes because Hughes electorate said yes.

woofbro fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Nov 15, 2017

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
Why's he wearing shoes

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

*spends years battling against gay marriage*
*gay marriage is supported*
"Who cares, marriage sucks anyway"

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

bandaid.friend posted:

Why's he wearing shoes

He was a shoe salesman.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
"Religious" blanket might be unfair. Melbourne Ports was #3 Yes electorate and there's a pretty significant Jewish population. I'm not sure how large in raw numbers of population versus the cultural significance for the area but I feel like if they were against it generally we'd have higher than 18% "No".

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Was there a reason they decided on the picture of Al Bundy pitching a tent

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
Because marriage means your sex life is over, indefinitely, unless you want to wank on the couch

Jokes on the heteros though, the loss of sex life is actually due to children.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/TwoEyeHead/status/930574891421638657

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




G-Spot Run posted:

Because marriage means your sex life is over, indefinitely, unless you want to wank on the couch

Jokes on the heteros though, the loss of sex life is actually due to children.

"I'm horny"
"Sorry, hon, I'm not"
"Mind if I dial up some grindr sex then?"
"Eh, sure, whatever, don't make too much noise, I'm turning in early"

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Just wait til Australia's first gay divorce.

Nibbles!
Jun 26, 2008

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please

frottage posted:

This is what blows my mind. It's clear that this is a big enough issue that we're spending 100 mill on it, if nothing else it's a big enough issue that you're getting a personal letter asking for your thoughts. I would have thought that even that basic amount of information would lead you to want to understand what it is that you are ticking. Which then leads to the assumption that these people are 'informed', somehow.

It was never about how big the issue was. The polling already showed the support was there and the political pressure at the last election was such that it had to be addressed

The plebiscite was the Abbot government's way of deflecting from having a free vote on the issue as detractors knew the numbers were there.

It was political nonsense evidence by the fact that it was non-binding. If it was even done in good faith the legislation would have already been debated and passed with the triggering mechanism been the vote.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Who will stand up for florists being forced to make gay floral arrangements?

We need to find out what florists think about this. I suggest we get the ABS to hold a nation-wide survey of all florists.

As an aside, something that came up when talking to friends: This was a bittersweet day for most of Australia, but for exactly one man it was the highlight of his life. Finally, the whole country was listening to its head statistician.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Burn Down Canberra posted:

So maybe some kind of magic that can turn family members gay ?


:ssh: that’s what safe schools is for

Toys For Ass Bum
Feb 1, 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5083987/NO-voter-brought-tears-gay-marriage-survey-result.html

https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Isn't it funny how freedom is only available to white, straight people who want to tell minorities which freedoms they are allowed to have, as opposed to everyone.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

You think that's salty, wait til you see the back page.

https://twitter.com/dailytelegraph/status/930768629125320704

Pocket Billiards
Aug 29, 2007
.

SadisTech posted:

I know people - male, white, moderately educated, non religious - who were vocally proclaiming themselves as 'no' voters. They're to a man from working class and tradie families and tend to live in outer suburbs.

It's very possible to be educated, middle class and pig ignorant. This is the demographic you're overlooking.

I know a lot of guys that fit this description. Not religious and not any faction of the LNP style conservative but are full bore culture warriors in the vein of all the youtube poo poo stirrers that they were introduced to through the Joe Rogan podcast.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Pocket Billiards posted:

I know a lot of guys that fit this description. Not religious and not any faction of the LNP style conservative but are full bore culture warriors in the vein of all the youtube poo poo stirrers that they were introduced to through the Joe Rogan podcast.

The internet was a loving mistake.

Toys For Ass Bum
Feb 1, 2015


I don't see the problem here?
They're saying that same-sex marriages with children, will be just like any other marriages with children.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

SadisTech posted:

I know people - male, white, moderately educated, non religious - who were vocally proclaiming themselves as 'no' voters. They're to a man from working class and tradie families and tend to live in outer suburbs.

It's very possible to be educated, middle class and pig ignorant. This is the demographic you're overlooking.

Their reasoning can't really be dignified with the term. It boils down to 'gently caress poofters'.

Say hi to my brother for me next time you see him.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

screaden posted:

What the gently caress is that about?

'Ironic' homophobes are like ironic racists - they don't exist.

They're just regular old homophobes and racists but with a gimmick.

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Who will stand up for florists being forced to make gay floral arrangements?

Where does this kind of stupidity even end I wonder. Everyone always talks about the florists and bakers, but if being a bigot is legalised with respect to gay marriage, where do we draw the line?

Bridal party driving to the wedding stops to get fuel only to be told by the guy behind the counter that he's a proud bigot and they're not getting any petrol from him?

They run out of fuel, so they call roadside assistance, only to be told he won't help them either?

Someone from the party walks to the next servo with a jerry can, falls and breaks his leg, doctor won't treat him because he's trying to assist a gay wedding?

Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!

dirtgolem posted:

I have never seen anything so fabulous.

Oh wow. My mind was screaming WHY too loud for me to think it through.

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

Gorilla Salad posted:

'Ironic' homophobes are like ironic racists - they don't exist.

They're just regular old homophobes and racists but with a gimmick.


Where does this kind of stupidity even end I wonder. Everyone always talks about the florists and bakers, but if being a bigot is legalised with respect to gay marriage, where do we draw the line?

Bridal party driving to the wedding stops to get fuel only to be told by the guy behind the counter that he's a proud bigot and they're not getting any petrol from him?

They run out of fuel, so they call roadside assistance, only to be told he won't help them either?

Someone from the party walks to the next servo with a jerry can, falls and breaks his leg, doctor won't treat him because he's trying to assist a gay wedding?

Don't get married in Bankstown?

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

My greatest disappointment with the "Yes" vote is that that hateful old shitgibbon Bill Leak isn't around to see it.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I will never not be glad that fuckhead's dead.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

I will never not be glad that fuckhead's dead.

:agreed:

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Right now daisey is leafing through the proposed legislation to see if there’s a loophole to let her marry a corpse

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Speaking of

e: I can’t spell

Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Nov 15, 2017

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

frottage posted:

Maybe it's just melancholy from the Midnight Oil concert on the weekend. 8k people in a park going absolutely crazy for political themed music covering aboriginal rights to land rights.

Where's this stuff for the current day? I feel like there's nothing driving 'normal' centrist people towards politics, but there are volumes of these extreme or conservative views getting air time.

Going into politics myself disturbs me because of the salami-slice effect meaning you end up standing for nothing due to the amount of compromise. Is that the only option?

Take a lesson from the No campaign, the psychology wasn't "God will send you to Hell' it was 'don't be afraid to agree with our authority'. That's the key message they sent. And abstention is as good as a no, whatever it took to make voting Yes a big, risky step.

In that sense, we've lost a lot. It's a bit crazy how a lot of Oils lyrics stay relevant. But scared people do not see reason, and people are very scared right now, they have huge mortgages over their heads, are working harder than ever for less than ever, and the system shows them what happens if they rock the boat. To overcome that you have to either have nothing to lose or are prepared to sacrifice everything. And that's exactly the intent of the system, to force you to make that choice. Sooner or later, as long as people keep trying, the tables do turn. There really isn't an alternative.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/930815981810745345

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VivaLa Eeveelution
Apr 3, 2011

It's still there. :allears: I can't believe he was found Cruzing for homosexuals.

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