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Hollismason posted:I truly believe that Trump broke our political system no fox news and social media allowed fake news to warp stupid minds broke our system trump is a symptom
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ReidRansom posted:Funny thing about this Alabama race, it would have been an excellent opportunity for a possibly Libertarian pick-up, but it this is like the one time they don't put one of their kooks on the ballot. Probably for the best for the rest of us, but a huge error on their part. the lesson for democrats and any political party is to contest every election
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dbukalski posted:it also gives the gop voters to do the mental gymnastics to vote moore no matter what Moore probably wins, but the only reason he wins is because the DNC is stupid. Look at where he did his press conference from, that is where the DNC should be targeting their ads. It is where alot of the money in the state resides and they are also very persuadable. Most of the people in those areas relate much more with Jones than they do Moore.
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dbukalski posted:omg we need to contesting every election No only districts with a certain amount of Panera Breads per capita, that's where the votes are if we promise tax cuts and deregulation and balanced budgets
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Mr Interweb posted:When Rush says Moore was a democrat, is he throwing him under the bus or is he trying to say he only used to be a horrible person? the listeners get to decide which they prefer
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VitalSigns posted:No only districts with a certain amount of Panera Breads per capita, that's where the votes are if we promise tax cuts and deregulation and balanced budgets Yeah we can probably win a bunch of extra districts if we contest them by running Republicans.
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reagan was the worst, all the neocons from bush came from the reagan admin, the reagan admin is responsible for both the necons getting power and the worst aspects of neoliberalism, so he's the worst, thanks
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Reagan also killed all unions by loving the ATC strike.
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Your Taint posted:Unless it's the Clinton Foundation. Then Hillary should get executed twice. Only twice wouldn't do it. Her email phylactery will bring her back to unlife shortly.
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dbukalski posted:it also gives the gop voters to do the mental gymnastics to vote moore no matter what Fox talking points are that Moore is bad
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How dare a host on Fox News not fellate Trump, Shep Smith should be ashamed of himself for not spreading Trump's propaganda.
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Mustached Demon posted:Washington gets high marks purely because he turned down being king. This post was quite a bit ago but why is JFK not on the list. Is it just because goons are jealous he hosed Marilyn Monroe?
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I reckon the best presidents are probably the quiet ones nobody can quite remember and who aren't solely defined by a particular grandiose action.
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Flayer posted:I reckon the best presidents are probably the quiet ones nobody can quite remember and who aren't solely defined by a particular grandiose action. Mostly those are the boringly corrupt gilded age ones. The greats are ones people remember.
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Withnail posted:http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/us/california-tehama-county-shootings/index.html AFAIR that happened in Germany, but with a an active slasher.
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Terebus posted:This post was quite a bit ago but why is JFK not on the list. Is it just because goons are jealous he hosed Marilyn Monroe? Maybe you should come up with reasons why he should be on the list, rather than criticize why he was left off.
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Terebus posted:This post was quite a bit ago but why is JFK not on the list. Is it just because goons are jealous he hosed Marilyn Monroe? JFK massively hosed up regarding Vietnam. I'd say no President involved in the Vietnam war belongs on a list of "good presidents".
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its tough to compare presidents from before america was like a world historical power to 20th century presidents. in some sense any given president of imperial america did and will continue to do way more harm than like, some gilded age rear end in a top hat, or like buchanan. at the same time thats not really a fair comparison. but thats at least why i would say reagan is worse than andrew johnson, who is the boring answer
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Terebus posted:This post was quite a bit ago but why is JFK not on the list. Is it just because goons are jealous he hosed Marilyn Monroe? Kennedy didn't really get that much done and what little he did was kind of bad. Yeah the space program stuff was good and he was an effective communicator for it so I give him that. Kennedy's handling of the missle crisis is one of the most annoying myths in American politics. He needlessly escalated the crisis to save face and the solution - pulling missles from Turkey in return for the Soviets pulling their's from Cuba - was proposed by Kruschev and Kennedy declined it to appear strong. He also escalated Vietnam. I'm not certain about this, but I believe he basically turned it into a war. Yes, Eisenhower sent troops first but Kennedy really escalated it (I believe. I'm on my phone and not able to check).
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logger posted:Maybe you should come up with reasons why he should be on the list, rather than criticize why he was left off. I'm not very familiar with Kennedy, that's the reason I asked. I thought he was pro civil rights at a time where it wasn't the norm for a white person to be. He also invested heavily in the space program and I like space stuff. That's my two hot takes on JFK. Thanks to all the other posters pointing out the Vietnam things.
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Terebus posted:This post was quite a bit ago but why is JFK not on the list. Is it just because goons are jealous he hosed Marilyn Monroe? Nearly started a nuclear war. Raped an intern.
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Gort posted:JFK massively hosed up regarding Vietnam. I'd say no President involved in the Vietnam war belongs on a list of "good presidents". Tbf JFK was probably going to massively scale back Vietnam engagement, before he suffered an involuntary trepanation. Whether those two things are connected or not is left up to your (and Oliver Stone's) imagination Lol. Wait... Pizza party or "pizza party"? Neither is encouraging I guess. Man, people who buy into Pizzagate must be extremely  when their keyboard auto-predicts the pizza emoji (🍕)
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Zas posted:its tough to compare presidents from before america was like a world historical power to 20th century presidents. in some sense any given president of imperial america did and will continue to do way more harm than like, some gilded age rear end in a top hat, or like buchanan. at the same time thats not really a fair comparison. but thats at least why i would say reagan is worse than andrew johnson, who is the boring answer Buchanon was directly responsible for a Civil War in which 750,000 Americans died! More Americans died in that war than all our other wars combined! Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Nov 15, 2017 |
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I know it's a derail but I find it interesting. I actually think LBJ deserves more respect and should be decently high on the list, despite the crime that was the Vietnam war. The Civil Rights act and Great Society were landmark achievements even if he didn't achieve everything he wanted with the latter. He was also just a very competent politician who knew how to get poo poo done.
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Giggy posted:I actually think LBJ deserves more respect and should be decently high on the list, despite the crime that was the Vietnam war. The Civil Rights act and Great Society were landmark achievements even if he didn't achieve everything he wanted with the latter. The Vietnam war was such a vast crime though. It's hard to overestimate how poo poo it was and Johnson's handling of it only made it worse. Charlz Guybon posted:More Americans died in that war than all or other wars combined! Not true
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Giggy posted:I know it's a derail but I find it interesting. He also whipped out his dong on the reg to intimidate people so I'd rather nobody follow his example
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I think you're all forgetting the taped telephone conversation where he talks about his "bunghole." Based on that criteria alone LBJ was miles ahead of anyone else.
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Eox posted:He also whipped out his dong on the reg to intimidate people so I'd rather nobody follow his example Too late
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I'll just put my response to the dipshits earlier in this thread saying I was a gimmick poster when I said Christians in America would be more likely to vote for Moore given the accusations against him here: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/married-young-the-fight-over-child-marriage-in-america/
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Man, I want to know what dirt Shep has that keeps them from firing him, it must be amazing.
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Terebus posted:I'm not very familiar with Kennedy, that's the reason I asked. Kennedy gets lionized around these parts due to the Irish population (I'm from the NYC area) but he was no more or no less a calculating politician than anyone else. (Everything that follows is my opinion and I could very well be completely wrong). You could say that he was a sort of modern prototype of the triangulating Democratic third way that you see today although the focus on labor was much greater because of the time. I don't think he was necessarily overly enthusiastic about Civil Rights legislation (although his brother very much was...and it cost him..) but it had to be addressed because, people were dying in some pretty notable ways due to the strife over Civil Rights. Like, white folks in the south were not going to fail to play their parts and be complete loving monsters to African Americans.
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Gort posted:The Vietnam war was such a vast crime though. It's hard to overestimate how poo poo it was and Johnson's handling of it only made it worse. If we won in Vietnam no one would remember the atrocities. We lost so LBJ and Nixon are poo poo on for losing and the crimes committed along the way. Going by Wikipedia here, but 1,354,664-750,000 is 604,664, so yes.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Man, I want to know what dirt Shep has that keeps them from firing him, it must be amazing. I like to imagine that he's just so sassy that they don't really know how to interact with him and everyone leaves him alone.
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Charlz Guybon posted:...the US military was far more savage in (the Korean War) than in Vietnam... Not saying you're wrong, but do you have something to back this statement up? The US military was pretty loving savage in Vietnam. Though that impression might be due to the plethora of reporting and TV footage from Vietnam.
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Gort posted:Not saying you're wrong, but do you have something to back this statement up? The US military was pretty loving savage in Vietnam. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.d41b1e0d60d7 quote:The bombing was long, leisurely and merciless, even by the assessment of America’s own leaders. “Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population,” Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Strategic Air Command during the Korean War, told the Office of Air Force History in 1984. Dean Rusk, a supporter of the war and later secretary of state, said the United States bombed “everything that moved in North Korea, every brick standing on top of another.” After running low on urban targets, U.S. bombers destroyed hydroelectric and irrigation dams in the later stages of the war, flooding farmland and destroying crops.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Man, I want to know what dirt Shep has that keeps them from firing him, it must be amazing. Shepard Smith is the reason Fox is allowed to call itself 'fair and balanced' - he's their way of being able to say "See, we provide both sides of the argument"
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