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Give me ability draft pro tournaments and I’d have a reason to never play, only watch.
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Nov 15, 2017 02:58
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TOOT BOOT posted:https://www.esportstales.com/dota-2/playerbase-declining-707-effect-and-source-2 Actually, everything is fine.
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Nov 15, 2017 03:25
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TOOT BOOT posted:https://www.esportstales.com/dota-2/playerbase-declining-707-effect-and-source-2 because the game is poo poo and catered to retard casuals instead of being the niche game that is really hard to play well because it takes continuous subtle advantages to succeed, and not this hero arena bullshit we see now
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Nov 15, 2017 03:52
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The incredibly rational racist boy: "Actually, the game needs more complicated esoteric features and tedious busywork. That will bring back the western ubermensch to beat back the yellow menace, who hate those things."
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Nov 15, 2017 03:57
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Lmao e: gas
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Nov 15, 2017 04:21
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wasnt the game more popular before they started to remove that stuff though? i suspect the remove of it is not directly the reason for people leaving but clearly it wasn't that much of an issue impeding the growth of the game.
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Nov 15, 2017 04:35
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I've started playing DOTA recently and my thoughts are that the early matchmaking is very poor and the way it further handicaps you by restricting you to 15 heroes for quite a while is silly. Also the "tutorial" is basically non-existent, it just tries to make you play a few bot games as specific heroes. I definitely would've quit almost immediately if I didn't have an extremely patient friend to guide me through everything. e: I am curious what stuff they removed to make it simpler because it's still a very inaccessible game.
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Nov 15, 2017 04:52
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Yeah, its been made simpler over time but Dota 2 is far and away the most complex of the popular MOBAs out there and I don't think that will be changing any time soon.
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Nov 15, 2017 05:27
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I've started playing DOTA recently and my thoughts are that the early matchmaking is very poor and the way it further handicaps you by restricting you to 15 heroes for quite a while is silly. Also the "tutorial" is basically non-existent, it just tries to make you play a few bot games as specific heroes. I definitely would've quit almost immediately if I didn't have an extremely patient friend to guide me through everything. There used to be a tutorial for some of the mechanics, but evidently they got rid of that for whatever reason.
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Nov 15, 2017 06:23
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I think Vainglory is probably the moba that handled intro stuff the best. There's short really basic uncomplicated tutorial, but for basically every concept, there was a short text blurb with an adjacent youtube thumbnail where a guy would demonstrate the concept being discussed in like 30 seconds. Same for every hero ability (which dota does have voiceless youtube clips for abilities in the hero guide section iirc). But this also covered stuff like the game's version of Roshan, how tower targetting worked, etc. Like, it doesn't make you learn about tower targetting, but if you ever wonder 'why do towers do this', there is literally a button right there for it. Like, Vainglory is a puddle deep mobile moba that is basically a sawed-off 3v3 League of Legends, but it handled this really really well and it took like no effort for me to install the app and pickup the game and clean up in that game. I don't get what the barrier is to doing something like that for DotA, other than that stuff keeps changing. I know that's why the old 'play as sniper/dragon knight' tutorials got canned - patches kept breaking or changing stuff that they taught about, and Valve didn't keep them up to date.
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Nov 15, 2017 07:25
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I cannot imagine trying to learn this game without having friends show you how to play.
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Nov 15, 2017 07:52
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Ambivalent posted:I know that's why the old 'play as sniper/dragon knight' tutorials got canned - patches kept breaking or changing stuff that they taught about, and Valve didn't keep them up to date. Also the sniper/DK tutorials were boring as poo poo and didn't teach anything about the actual game of Dota. It just showed you a bunch of basic concepts with no context. The maps themselves was pretty neat though and if they actually spent time redesigning tutorial maps to look/play more like a compact, single-player dota map then it could work. Valve has neglected so much they really should just spend like 3-4 months and fix all the poo poo they've abandoned in the last 3 years, including (but not limited to): custom games, in-depth tutorials, player profiles, social system/guilds, and dashboard UI.
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Nov 15, 2017 08:13
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And then when they're done with that they can revert every gameplay patch from the last three years and beg Icefrog to come back we still love you please talk to us
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Nov 15, 2017 08:18
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uninverted posted:I cannot imagine trying to learn this game without having friends show you how to play. Luckily I have Purge videos I can periodically listen to before I go into a coma from listening to his insanely drab voice.
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Nov 15, 2017 08:21
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Nov 15, 2017 15:27
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They need to reskin the ice ogre to look like Ogre Magi, same with the big centaur guy.
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Nov 15, 2017 18:18
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All this talk when according to the graph its clear we need more PERU, SEA and CHINA and less USA.
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Nov 15, 2017 18:22
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They need to let me use the old style ui and hero portraits so I can make people mad when I link them screenshots of my favorite heroes, Bradwarden and Tresdin and Goondar
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Nov 15, 2017 18:22
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The real issue killing Dota 2 is that they call their champions heroes. Fix that and the players will come rolling in.
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Nov 15, 2017 19:01
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How's league of legends call them champions instead of legends
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Nov 15, 2017 19:29
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The Ancients in Defense of the Ancients is the base cores, so it stands to reason the Legends of LoL are the summoners/summoner cores, not the tiny fantasy men they abuse
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Nov 15, 2017 19:32
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Barracks house troops but when you kill the enemy barracks your troops get stronger
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Nov 15, 2017 19:35
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Neurolimal posted:The Ancients in Defense of the Ancients is the base cores, so it stands to reason the Legends of LoL are the summoners/summoner cores, not the tiny fantasy men they abuse Didn't they never flesh out the whole summoner thing and then drop it completely when they realized that an infinity of nameless faceless people playing weird bad arena game makes less sense than saying ON THIS ETERNAL BATTLEFIELD in a soul caliber voice
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Nov 15, 2017 19:39
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Death Bot posted:Didn't they never flesh out the whole summoner thing and then drop it completely when they realized that an infinity of nameless faceless people playing weird bad arena game makes less sense than saying ON THIS ETERNAL BATTLEFIELD in a soul caliber voice Iirc their current lore guys basically said "LoL is not canon to the LoL lore", so the fantasy setting is now divorced from league matches It's whatever though because no moba has had an actually good story, at best some neat concepts in bio blurbs
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Nov 15, 2017 21:21
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Reality Winner posted:Barracks house troops but when you kill the enemy barracks your troops get stronger
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Nov 15, 2017 21:22
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jBrereton posted:The creeps are a psychological imposition of the Ancients on the minds of the heroes as a quasi-physical externalisation of the mastery of their own abilities. That's why they feel significantly more Daunted when their "barracks" are gone and take more damage. Duh. This is is also the in-universe reason for why your jungler dies to camps after someone on the team insults him
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Nov 15, 2017 21:25
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Neurolimal posted:Iirc their current lore guys basically said "LoL is not canon to the LoL lore", so the fantasy setting is now divorced from league matches Clinkz has the best character bio of any character from any video game, though
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jBrereton posted:The creeps are a psychological imposition of the Ancients on the minds of the heroes as a quasi-physical externalisation of the mastery of their own abilities. That's why they feel significantly more Daunted when their "barracks" are gone and take more damage. Duh. That reminds me, I thought the whole thing with creeps being normal people who got warped into mind slaves was kinda cool. Death Bot posted:Clinkz has the best character bio of any character from any video game, though You mean Troll.
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Nov 15, 2017 23:36
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Neurolimal posted:The incredibly rational racist boy: "Actually, the game needs more complicated esoteric features and tedious busywork. That will bring back the western ubermensch to beat back the yellow menace, who hate those things." hey look, guy with a lovely avatar goes straight for the pointless ad hominems instead of addressing the fact that western dota has died and all the changes to bring a new generation of blood into the casual scene and pro scene has done exactly not that, at the expense of the dotards (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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JollyPubJerk posted:hey look, guy with a lovely avatar goes straight for the pointless ad hominems instead of addressing the fact that western dota has died and all the changes to bring a new generation of blood into the casual scene and pro scene has done exactly not that, at the expense of the dotards Excuse me? Dota isn't dwindling in literally all the countries you hate. In fact, DOTA is growing around here, loving amazing how you believe spamming slurs in all your games will bring a new generation.
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turboraton posted:Excuse me? Dota isn't dwindling in literally all the countries you hate. In fact, DOTA is growing around here, loving amazing how you believe spamming slurs in all your games will bring a new generation. hey look, another idiot doubling down on ignorant ad hominems Go through my post history and there is no shortage of my desire to play in CN again, or even settling for RUS or SEA. (I could do without EUE though.. that server was always weird). NA dota is downright low skill and unplayable, especially so for anyone who plays an unselfish playstyle
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Nov 16, 2017 00:08
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https://www.york.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2017/research/multiplayer-video-games/
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Nov 16, 2017 00:10
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I think what hurts dota the most is how little valve cares, or seems to care, about it. They don't communicate at all.
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Out of curiosity: about how sped up are Turbo games? I love to watch Dota as an esport, but sort of gave up on actually playing it for HotS instead lately. Turns out, doing All-Hero Challenge in the regular queue without any friends twice over will spur you on the game, because you’re either playing heroes you aren’t good with in ranked and tanking your own rating, or playing unranked and losing because of the social experiment that is Dota (people who don’t get their preferred lane and wander around feeding, carries who saw CM get 1 CS and give up and sit in fountain awaiting the loss, etc). Given that 95% of my games tend to be dramatic stomps for one side or the other with very few enjoyably competitive struggles, I was thinking I should probably do my all hero bullshit in Turbo and leave regular queue for actual strategy and counter picking.
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Nov 16, 2017 00:16
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What mechanics have they actually made simpler?
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Cuntellectual posted:I think what hurts dota the most is how little valve cares, or seems to care, about it. They don't communicate at all. Valve has never ever been a communicative company though. Steam doesn't even have a customer support phone number.
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Nov 16, 2017 00:24
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What mechanics have they actually made simpler? You could also sort of argue that the gold/XP changes are in the broad direction of making it easier to get gold and XP, but that one's harder to make a case for.
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Nov 16, 2017 00:28
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Also, courier no longer has to be upgraded. Just babysat sometimes.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What mechanics have they actually made simpler? Not all that much in the grand scheme of things. Off the top of my head, the following have been simplified or removed: shrines make regen less vital to early game simplifying damage/armour types roshan drops cheese earlier I guess? no more orbs/attack modifier restrictions in 7.07 no more bottle-crowing in 7.07 free courier upgrade in 7.07 JPJ is just mad because for the last ~3 years, dota has put an emphasis on grouping up and taking fights/objectives rather than static lanes and farming/stacking, and he hates it. A brief summary going by memory: slightly upped passive gold gain cost of TPs, couriers, and wards decreased a lot (but went up a bit in 7.07) reduced xp/gold from lane and jungle creeps (but increased in 7.07) increased hero/assist kill gold/xp introduction of ''rubberband kill gold" if your team is behind, making comebacks more achievable changes to the offlane making it easier to contest more utility/support items which make supports (and your team in general) more important in the late game. And having to depend on randos can be pretty awful given the reputation of the dota community
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