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JL just confirmed my ongoing suspicion that Cyborg is the most boring character imaginable and no amount of DC's absurd, painful attempts at pushing him will ever work. It was the exact same story as Forever Evil but this time with way worse, cheesy dialogue. And bad cheesy, not endearing cheesy.
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Nov 15, 2017 23:17
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The Batman Who Laughs is dark. I suppose that was to be expected. They're also a lock to win. But when it comes to Cyborg, do you think a more realistic take on technology would help? Like if he was capable of actual high end technology (but still limited) rather than the 'technology that is basically magic' he does?
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Nov 15, 2017 23:50
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nofather posted:The Batman Who Laughs is dark. I suppose that was to be expected. I don't know if there's a big place for Cyborg otherwise, which is probably why he's not just a robot guy anymore, he's an Apokolips robot guy. Even in the Batman family alone there's like four teenagers who can basically do anything with technology the writers can come up with. The only niche for Cyborg is that he can teleport the team around. He's like a mage the group only keeps around so they can easily portal back to Ironforge once the raid is done.
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Nov 15, 2017 23:56
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purple death ray posted:I don't know if there's a big place for Cyborg otherwise, which is probably why he's not just a robot guy anymore, he's an Apokolips robot guy. Even in the Batman family alone there's like four teenagers who can basically do anything with technology the writers can come up with. The only niche for Cyborg is that he can teleport the team around. He's like a mage the group only keeps around so they can easily portal back to Ironforge once the raid is done. I just kinda see him as a tag in for Martian Manhunter. Tremendous power, usually does more utilitarian stuff, sorta alienated from the general world, but easier to take on without using a crippling weakness (a virus, instead of fire). I'd like to see him as more. I'm not a fan of old Teen Titans but apparently they were popular at some point. And having him team up with a bunch of teenagers is weird.
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Nov 15, 2017 23:59
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So why did Bendis jump to DC? Brian Michael Bendis: Cleveland library's Superman exhibit convinced him to go to DC Comics Get ready for Action Comics #1000, written by Brian Bendis!
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Nov 16, 2017 00:10
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nofather posted:I just kinda see him as a tag in for Martian Manhunter. This is exactly what he is. Johns hasn't ever really been quiet about how he doesn't really get MM.
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Nov 16, 2017 00:33
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Two Tone Shoes posted:JL just confirmed my ongoing suspicion that Cyborg is the most boring character imaginable and no amount of DC's absurd, painful attempts at pushing him will ever work. It was the exact same story as Forever Evil but this time with way worse, cheesy dialogue. And bad cheesy, not endearing cheesy. The Teen Titans animated series (both of them) found ways to make him a fun and interesting character but the Snyderverse seems to have a moratorium on "fun" and "interesting".
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Nov 16, 2017 00:45
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Rhyno posted:This is exactly what he is. Johns hasn't ever really been quiet about how he doesn't really get MM. Exactly. Johns is a big stupid smelly butthead for that one. MM has been in every iteration of the League. And I always thought what made Cyborg good was his relationships with the other Teen Titans and his constant struggle with losing his humanity. He doesn't have that poo poo with the League.
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Nov 16, 2017 00:49
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Revol posted:So why did Bendis jump to DC? One of the many writers. Would be nice if all the big name writers and artists did a bit for this issue.
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Nov 16, 2017 01:30
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Kaleidoscope posted:The Teen Titans animated series (both of them) found ways to make him a fun and interesting character but the Snyderverse seems to have a moratorium on "fun" and "interesting". You can never port the cartoon version of these characters because, while cute and funny, the show very rarely focused on Cyborg and the things they did focus on are the biggest problems with the comics and don't translate as well to an adult. Those themes also couldn't hold up under a monthly comic book focus. It's like saying the show did Raven well -- the show was just doing stuff we've seen in comics a million times before but we were kids when we watched it and knew nothing else. Or at least I was. Cyborg's woes date back far before Snyderverse and trying to inject the movies as the reason why Cyborg has been boring since the 90s isn't much of a point. pubic works project posted:Exactly. Johns is a big stupid smelly butthead for that one. MM has been in every iteration of the League. His struggle with his humanity is literally the only thing he ever does have in both his solo and in the JL and is why he's so boring. You can't regurgitate the same storyline a million times and call it good writing. It's the same reason why the Titans franchise has been so bad so often -- reliving the same Wolfman era stuff over and over again.
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Nov 16, 2017 02:18
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Green Lanterns continues to be really fun (though this issue has the unfortunate fill-in-week artist issue) though Super Sons is probably the standout of the week or maybe even month.  Metal tie-ins remain patently uninteresting, but is JL the first time we've heard that Cyborg and Raven actually have some sort of history together in either the N52 or in Rebirth? Or else why would she be going on and on about how great his heart is and how much she believes in him or whatever?
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Nov 16, 2017 02:32
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pubic works project posted:MM has been in every iteration of the League. I think I recall a Brave and the Bold episode throwing a bit of shade at the new Justice League that the Nu52 brought in. (As the show was ending as that started.) Batman had just created a new Justice League and had just gotten the Martian to join. The Justice Society had also decided to come and take a look at he new league judging it pretty harshly. I recall this comment from Jay Garrick. "Well at least "you" have the Martian, it's just not a justice league without the Martian." Which I agree with. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 02:33
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BrianWilly posted:Metal tie-ins remain patently uninteresting, but is JL the first time we've heard that Cyborg and Raven actually have some sort of history together in either the N52 or in Rebirth? Or else why would she be going on and on about how great his heart is and how much she believes in him or whatever? Hypertime.
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Nov 16, 2017 02:48
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Mr Hootington posted:One of the many writers. Would be nice if all the big name writers and artists did a bit for this issue. Supposedly the HC is going to have a huge gallery section with unreleased pieces from great Superman artists that have passed on.
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Nov 16, 2017 03:05
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MonsterEnvy posted:I think I recall a Brave and the Bold episode throwing a bit of shade at the new Justice League that the Nu52 brought in. (As the show was ending as that started.) Batman had just created a new Justice League and had just gotten the Martian to join. The Justice Society had also decided to come and take a look at he new league judging it pretty harshly. I recall this comment from Jay Garrick. My man.
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Nov 16, 2017 03:28
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BrianWilly posted:Green Lanterns continues to be really fun (though this issue has the unfortunate fill-in-week artist issue) though Super Sons is probably the standout of the week or maybe even month. I'm giving Green Lanterns a try for the first time. I thought this story was cute and I love stories where the newbies who know less make the right call because they're not blinded by prejudice.
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Nov 16, 2017 03:41
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Just back from the movie and Victor was actually my favorite part*. He had a heck of a lot more to do for the team than blimmin' Aquaman. I liked Flash too, but they gave him a few too many clunky one-liners. Not enough JK Simmons. *Faint praise. JL was a dull load, but the kid did alright.
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Nov 16, 2017 05:49
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Two Tone Shoes posted:You can never port the cartoon version of these characters because, while cute and funny, the show very rarely focused on Cyborg and the things they did focus on are the biggest problems with the comics and don't translate as well to an adult. Those themes also couldn't hold up under a monthly comic book focus. It's like saying the show did Raven well -- the show was just doing stuff we've seen in comics a million times before but we were kids when we watched it and knew nothing else. Or at least I was. I would argue that you totally can port the cartoon version pretty easily and make Cyborg sooooo much better. Because I watched the cartoon way before I got into comics and I liked Cyborg, because Cyborg was fun*. Which is the problem with comic Cyborg. He's dull as poo poo. Hell, it'd be great if they did regurgitate Wolfman, because at least angst is an emotion or a character trait that distinguishes him from a decoration on the Watchtower's wall. Current Cyborg might as well just be a walking teleporter, since that's all he ever seems to do in JL comics (besides get owned constantly). So yeah, bring in the cartoon that cracks jokes and annoys *look I know the Teen Titans cartoon was not a masterpiece of writing, I'm not going to argue that; but it worked for me when I was a teenager and I remember Cyborg being the best because he was funny and also had a loving arm cannon. Frankly the fact that Johns and so many other writers have made a character with an arm cannon lame is a crime. **Actually speaking of levity in the JL, whatever happened to Shazam? He was on the League when Johns was writing, then Rebirth happened... and he's not there anymore. Did they kick him off at some point in some issue I missed? TwoPair fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 07:43
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mild wild storm discussion: while i have mixed sentiments on the art and colours, zealot in her field gear looks cool and striking.
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Nov 16, 2017 13:00
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I guess I was a fool for thinking the Batman who Laughs was gonna be anything over than the ultimate edge lord blandfest.
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Nov 16, 2017 15:13
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https://twitter.com/1moreGaryFrank/status/930866183036948485
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Nov 16, 2017 17:09
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Rosarch's gonna take his mask off and it's Prez
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Nov 16, 2017 17:13
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Sinners Sandwich posted:Rosarch's gonna take his mask off and it's Prez I will buy 100 copies
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Nov 16, 2017 17:17
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Neurosis posted:mild wild storm discussion: while i have mixed sentiments on the art and colours, zealot in her field gear looks cool and striking. I'm hoping they're building up to some sort of art explosion. It's annoyed me since the beginning that Wildstorm, something known for its dynamic art, is rebooted in the most traditional and nondynamic fashion. But it is a countdown, and Ellis has said it's going to blow up so I guess it's just a matter of waiting. All the pieces are there. Bendix is going to do Fire from Heaven, Voodoo is going to leak everything. Conspiracies just won't be conspiracies anymore. It's not as if it's a new concept for Ellis, he did DV8. And yeah, Zealot looks great. I enjoy how they handled Cash, too, wondering what's going to happen when they zero in on him. nofather fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 18:17
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The Wonder Woman/Batman comic is official. 'Brave and the Bold' miniseries written and drawn by Liam Sharp. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.83fe6b71fd04 
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Nov 16, 2017 18:51
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Has he ever written anything of note?
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Nov 16, 2017 19:18
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Rhyno posted:Has he ever written anything of note? Looks like he's mostly an artist, can't find anything he's written before. Barnes and Noble has a buy two get one free deal going on for Marvel and DC. At least in my area. Also the Tomasi Batman & Robin Omnibus is loving huge. nofather fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 20:21
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TwoPair posted:Actually speaking of levity in the JL, whatever happened to Shazam? He was on the League when Johns was writing, then Rebirth happened... and he's not there anymore. Did they kick him off at some point in some issue I missed?
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Nov 17, 2017 02:09
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MonsterEnvy posted:They are apparently making him back into his Captain Marvel self. You think? https://twitter.com/geoffjohns/status/931152047147073536
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Nov 17, 2017 02:28
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His books are still called Shazam.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:15
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His books have always been called Shazam while he was at DC 
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TwoPair posted:I would argue that you totally can port the cartoon version pretty easily and make Cyborg sooooo much better. Because I watched the cartoon way before I got into comics and I liked Cyborg, because Cyborg was fun*. Which is the problem with comic Cyborg. He's dull as poo poo. Hell, it'd be great if they did regurgitate Wolfman, because at least angst is an emotion or a character trait that distinguishes him from a decoration on the Watchtower's wall. Current Cyborg might as well just be a walking teleporter, since that's all he ever seems to do in JL comics (besides get owned constantly). So yeah, bring in the cartoon that cracks jokes and annoys He's the same character, man. You just don't have the wacky voice acting to sell the Booyahs. Saying Booyah and mulling over being pulled between man and machine is the only thing he's done for 40 years. I don't know how you got the opposite of that out of what I said. It's less explored in the JL but it's been done, like, 3 times in JL already and even more before the New 52.
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Nov 17, 2017 05:58
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nofather posted:I'm hoping they're building up to some sort of art explosion. It's annoyed me since the beginning that Wildstorm, something known for its dynamic art, is rebooted in the most traditional and nondynamic fashion. You see flashes of interesting visuals whenever the really alien or mystical stuff comes in focus and it looks great. Just... Ninety prevent of the book is in rooms that are bizarrely nondescript. Cash feels like a reasonable evolution of old Wildstorm Grifter so I don't mind what we've seen so far. The Engineer, Void, Emp and Jenny Sparks (from what little we've seen) too. Some of the others though... John Colt has 0 in common with Spartan except they're both Kheran.
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Nov 17, 2017 06:00
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My officemate told me to read Mister Miracle as he claims it's absolutely incredible. True/false?
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Nov 17, 2017 12:03
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Did you like Tom King's Vision? Could you take an even more traumatising take on a superhero?
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Nov 17, 2017 12:36
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Are there any cyborgs in comics who DON'T bitch about their humanity all the time? Serious question because I'd really like to see someone turn into a cyborg and just be "Fukken sweet, I don't have to worry about cancer anymore!" or some poo poo. Hmm. I guess Transmetropolitan has cyborgs who just use their new bodies to find new and interesting ways to gently caress, but that's the only one off the top of my head.
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Nov 17, 2017 12:47
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Ultron T-Rex in the last Squirrel Girl arc seemed to be having a great time without any angst about not being a real person or dinosaur. Edit: The one interesting thing about The Jetsons comic is Rosie being a shell for George's mother to live on after she died. There's melancholy about it, but she prefers being there. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 12:58
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Unrelated note, what's with all the Trump lover avatars I'm seeing lately?
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Nov 17, 2017 13:37
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McCloud posted:Unrelated note, what's with all the Trump lover avatars I'm seeing lately? It's the default for people who don't set their own.
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