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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I don't see what's right wing about wanting to live in a safe society. Especially one that's in actual danger of alien invasion and such. What would be the left wing power fantasy regarding such a situation? the left-wing "power fantasy" is Scrap Iron Man (rejected, of course, because marvel are cowards)
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I don't see what's right wing about wanting to live in a safe society. Especially one that's in actual danger of alien invasion and such. What would be the left wing power fantasy regarding such a situation? I think a fairly clear comparison between the right vs left would be an idealised comparison between the Magneto vs Xavier schools of thought. Xavier was fairly political whilst refraining from using his powers to persuade, plus he gave outsider children a free 'safe' space to study in relative piece. He was pro integration and rehabilitation and tried to make the world a better place through communication. Sure he had a little militia hit squad going but what left wing group doesn't?
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Nov 16, 2017 12:32
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Has there ever been any Punisher stories that looked at his childhood. I figure there must be but I've never read any.
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Nov 16, 2017 13:04
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BiggerBoat posted:Has there ever been any Punisher stories that looked at his childhood. I figure there must be but I've never read any. A couple one shots but nothing particularly in depth. Generally it's agreed that the punishers story starts with Vietnam and everything before that is whatever
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I don't see what's right wing about wanting to live in a safe society. Especially one that's in actual danger of alien invasion and such. What would be the left wing power fantasy regarding such a situation? So here's the thing comic book superheroes are by and large white dudes who are above the law beating up people for doing crimes and while yes there's aliens and poo poo you shouldn't discount the amount of just normal rear end crime dudes get involved in, even if it's down played a lot post Batman RIP
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Nov 16, 2017 13:59
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Cythereal posted:From what I've been reading, the thing with the Punisher series is that it does have a lot to say about politics - but not about gun violence. Instead the Punisher series dwells heavily on the experiences of veterans, that Iraq and Afghanistan were at best stained causes that a lot of good men and women fought and died for, and that doesn't make those soldiers heroes. It makes them victims, and for the survivors their suffering and victimization doesn't end when they come back home. The Punisher series apparently dwells at some length on how Frank might be horrifyingly deadly, but he's also a deeply traumatized and broken man, and was so even before his family was killed. Yo this sounds good as hell actually because it's at the core of the best punisher comic ever ie punisher Max
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Nov 16, 2017 14:01
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ElNarez posted:man I dunno how you could see the film where two billionaires, with the help of the military-industrial complex and law enforcement, work together to try and kill an alien other, as a secret anti-capitalist critique I especially love it because nobody's motives are a secret in these movies. They say it out loud. Superman's are narrated by a Greek chorus, for gently caress's sake! Goffer posted:I think a fairly clear comparison between the right vs left would be an idealised comparison between the Magneto vs Xavier schools of thought. Xavier was fairly political whilst refraining from using his powers to persuade, plus he gave outsider children a free 'safe' space to study in relative piece. He was pro integration and rehabilitation and tried to make the world a better place through communication. Magneto is left wing. BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yo this sounds good as hell actually because it's at the core of the best punisher comic ever ie punisher Max Yeah, actually sounds way better than I expected. I knew my boy Bernthal could do it. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I especially love it because nobody's motives are a secret in these movies. They say it out loud. Superman's are narrated by a Greek chorus, for gently caress's sake! magneto fuckin rules, xavier is a fuckin lanyard dick
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Nov 16, 2017 14:22
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yeah, actually sounds way better than I expected. I knew my boy Bernthal could do it. you should read Punisher: The Platoon, its a new mini from Ennis and Parlov (be still my heart) that's explicitly framed as the guy who wrote the in-universe book about the VC assault on firebase Valley Forge, the birthplace of the Punisher, writing a sequel about frank's first tour and given that Valley Forge Valley Forge is a comic about how vietnam was loving bullshit that ruined a whole bunch of people,
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Goffer posted:I think a fairly clear comparison between the right vs left would be an idealised comparison between the Magneto vs Xavier schools of thought. Xavier was fairly political whilst refraining from using his powers to persuade, plus he gave outsider children a free 'safe' space to study in relative piece. He was pro integration and rehabilitation and tried to make the world a better place through communication. Xavier is never particularly critical about the US government outside of integrating mutants. He doesn't critique the politics of America because he communicates the belief that America is inherently good, it merely "messes up" sometimes. The whole reason the film Logan presumably happens is best expressed via the lines: "Where were you Charles? Where were you when your people needed you?" Not just mutants, but humans, the world. Charles never meaningfully critiques policy. Being about integration means integrating into the United States and all of its acceptance and enabling and implementation of capitalism. The film would have you believe that Charles' failure was merely the tragedy of having a seizure, but Charles never even learned what Magneto was telling him which is not to "pretend you're something you're not" and gets a family killed when everyone follows his lead for the last time. The farmers share a meal with the mutant runaways without ever knowing why they were actually on the road. The father is justified in wanting to murder Wolverine in that scene.
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Nov 16, 2017 14:30
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Magneto: Nazi-hunter, vicious anti-racist, radical (robs banks and makes demands of the government), accepts anyone - particularly the shunned, they had to invent cops to try to assassinate him. Xavier: requires tuition, sees his students as experiments, does the bidding of the government and intelligence agencies, thinks he can work with cops so long as they only shoot the bad mutants. Unholy synthesis: Cyclops, born again mutant separatist and identitarian (recruited Magneto and Namor, the "first mutant" as symbolic gestures). BENGHAZI 2 posted:you should read Punisher: The Platoon, its a new mini from Ennis and Parlov (be still my heart) that's explicitly framed as the guy who wrote the in-universe book about the VC assault on firebase Valley Forge, the birthplace of the Punisher, writing a sequel about frank's first tour Is it done? I'm not falling for waiting for a Garth Ennis series to finish again, I don't care if it's 4 issues or 40.
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Nov 16, 2017 15:37
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Serf posted:the left-wing "power fantasy" is Scrap Iron Man Marvel did eventually adapt Scrap Iron Man. They just changed scrap iron man into the villain and made Spiderman the main character. BENGHAZI 2 posted:magneto fuckin rules, xavier is a fuckin lanyard dick X-Men First Class is a good movie about the 60s conflict between leftism and liberalism, and about how leftism was right but liberalism won. Pity the rest of the movies tried to undermine that.
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Hand Knit posted:Marvel did eventually adapt Scrap Iron Man. They just changed scrap iron man into the villain and made Spiderman the main character. Haha yes. Marvel's ultimate villain is Ivan Vanko, a worker who "unfairly" gains access to Stark's intellectual property.
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Hand Knit posted:Marvel did eventually adapt Scrap Iron Man. They just changed scrap iron man into the villain and made Spiderman the main character. i like how they portray the vulture as the villain of that movie but they do a real bad job of it and even smoothbrained people were walking out going "the vulture actually had some good points"
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Nov 16, 2017 15:42
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Haha yes. Marvel's ultimate villain is Ivan Vanko, a worker who "unfairly" gains access to Stark's intellectual property. I think it's more Justin Hammer, who tries to be Tony Stark but doesn't have the sexual virility that makes Tony Stark the good guy [rocket limply falls out of suit launcher].
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Hand Knit posted:I think it's more Justin Hammer, who tries to be Tony Stark but doesn't have the sexual virility that makes Tony Stark the good guy [rocket limply falls out of suit launcher]. Well, it's a combo of the two. Hammer is the limp dick decoy (they executed this in a way better way with The Mandarin) and the actual villain is some guy Tony implicitly hosed over on his way to the top.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Well, it's a combo of the two. Hammer is the limp dick decoy (they executed this in a way better way with The Mandarin) and the actual villain is some guy Tony implicitly hosed over on his way to the top. I dunno if I'd call him merely a decoy. Hammer and Vanko certainly get at the same thing (which really comes out in the Avengers via Black Widow) which is that what makes Stark/the good guys in general essentially good is fundamentally this very rapey white masculinity. What makes Vanko and Hammer the bad guys is that they try to act like Stark without having his innate entitlement to act as such.
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Decoy is the wrong word, so I will go with a much better archetype and one that always amuses me whenever I think about it: the fake Ruby Rhod in Fifth Element.
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Nov 16, 2017 15:55
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But now I have to rewatch The Fifth Element. What have you done to me?
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Nov 16, 2017 15:58
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I don't need to watch it to vividly recall that ridiculous character. Definitely my favorite stupid gag in that movie.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yo this sounds good as hell actually because it's at the core of the best punisher comic ever ie punisher Max Also, from the press reviews I've been reading, about 90% of the people Frank kills in the show are either totally-not-Blackwater PMC guys or CIA assassins trying to murder all witnesses to something Frank saw in Afghanistan that he wasn't supposed to see. Framing arc is apparently that Frank has gone off the grid and is trying to make an honest living in construction and demolition when the PMC comes after him as the last surviving witness to whatever went down in Afghanistan. Also, should it matter, Frank in the series apparently has a real thing for sledgehammers and uses one almost as much as guns.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Magneto: Nazi-hunter, vicious anti-racist, radical (robs banks and makes demands of the government), accepts anyone - particularly the shunned, they had to invent cops to try to assassinate him. It's six issues, we're two or three in, and its marvel so they hold him to deadlines
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Cythereal posted:Also, from the press reviews I've been reading, about 90% of the people Frank kills in the show are either totally-not-Blackwater PMC guys or CIA assassins trying to murder all witnesses to something Frank saw in Afghanistan that he wasn't supposed to see. Yeah this sounds baller, what are the complaints about it
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yeah this sounds baller, what are the complaints about it Big ones that I've read: The show can be surprisingly slow-paced, preferring to take the time to explore Frank's history and issues rather than 24/7 guns blazing (note: this may not be a downside to you). The big villain isn't terribly interesting, but fortunately Jigsaw is there to pick up the slack. Probably two or three episodes too long, like most of the Netflix series. Many members of the supporting cast, especially the women, aren't deep or particularly interesting. Some tone-deaf jokes, like Frank strangling a guy in a bathroom stall with a necktie being dismissed by someone else in the bathroom as two gay guys having rough sex in there.
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Cythereal posted:Big ones that I've read: I mean I like guns but I also like the chill stuff, my fave punisher story is the one from Aaron's Max run where it's just Frank remembering the days right after he came home from Nam leading up to his family's death
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Decoy is the wrong word, so I will go with a much better archetype and one that always amuses me whenever I think about it: the fake Ruby Rhod in Fifth Element. Which character was that? The hard of hearing guy?
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Jenny Agutter posted:Which character was that? The hard of hearing guy? Yes, lol. On screen for maybe thirty seconds.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yes, lol. On screen for maybe thirty seconds. He's just so happy to have helped. 
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quote:James Franco, Simon Kinberg, ‘Wonder Woman’ Scribe Allan Heinberg Team On Fox’s Marvel Mutant ‘Multiple Man’ http://deadline.com/2017/11/james-franco-multiple-man-simon-kinberg-wonder-woman-allan-heinberg-fox-marvel-hero-1202209591/
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I'm actually more on board for a James and Dave Franco Hardy Boys movie than that comic book movie.
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BiggerBoat posted:Has there ever been any Punisher stories that looked at his childhood. I figure there must be but I've never read any. Ennis's Punisher: Tyger, which is both a really sad story and extremely relevant right now. Synopsis for anyone who doesn't want to go find it: It details Frank's experiences when he was ten, specifically with his crush, who was raped by a local mafioso kid. The girl ends up killing herself in shame. The rapist continues doing whatever because everyone's afraid of his mobster dad, but the girl's older brother traps the rapist, beats him with a bat, and immolates him in a grave. Frank later discovers that the brother died in war. It's an interesting take on the character that implies that Vietnam and the death of his family were more catalysts to a monster that already existed within Frank.
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multiple man played by james franco is some real monkeys paw poo poo
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Nov 16, 2017 19:38
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Clearly the actor born to play multiple man is either Eddie Murphy or Mike Meyers
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Kulkasha posted:Ennis's Punisher: Tyger, which is both a really sad story and extremely relevant right now. Synopsis for anyone who doesn't want to go find it: It details Frank's experiences when he was ten, specifically with his crush, who was raped by a local mafioso kid. The girl ends up killing herself in shame. The rapist continues doing whatever because everyone's afraid of his mobster dad, but the girl's older brother traps the rapist, beats him with a bat, and immolates him in a grave. Frank later discovers that the brother died in war. It's an interesting take on the character that implies that Vietnam and the death of his family were more catalysts to a monster that already existed within Frank. I remember finding this comic completely silly and ridiculous but I loved the sepia toned John Severin art. I wish I could see the ashcan version or w/e because the digital coloring looks quite bad.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Clearly the actor born to play multiple man is either Eddie Murphy or Mike Meyers Surely Michael Keaton is in the running.
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Brother Entropy posted:multiple man played by james franco is some real monkeys paw poo poo The Deuce is a surprise prequel to the movie.
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I hope Franco is just Tommy Wiseau from here on out.
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Kulkasha posted:Ennis's Punisher: Tyger, which is both a really sad story and extremely relevant right now. Synopsis for anyone who doesn't want to go find it: It details Frank's experiences when he was ten, specifically with his crush, who was raped by a local mafioso kid. The girl ends up killing herself in shame. The rapist continues doing whatever because everyone's afraid of his mobster dad, but the girl's older brother traps the rapist, beats him with a bat, and immolates him in a grave. Frank later discovers that the brother died in war. It's an interesting take on the character that implies that Vietnam and the death of his family were more catalysts to a monster that already existed within Frank. The modern take is, generally speaking, that Frank was always a killer, he got a taste of it in vietnam, learned that he enjoyed it and was good at it, and couldn't shut it off when he got home. His family dying is a convenient excuse, not a reason (and some writers portray it as being something Frank let happen. Aaron specifically says "there's no way a survivor of three tours and how many ambushes in the jungle didn't have a weird feeling in the park that day")
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