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Bimmi posted:In your mind, maybe. Bad Seafood posted:Regarding "Bootleg" chat, now that I've a clearer picture of the situation and its nuances, the only unofficial products I'll be coming down on are 1:1 exact "But cheaper!" recreations which exist explicitly to undercut legitimate products - which I understand this thread is pretty good about jumping on and kicking out anyway. Reproductions of Japan-only limited releases, out-of-stock products, custom variants (such as the detailed DM Unicorn ACES was probated for), and the like may all continue to be discussed without fear of being labeled as "Advocacy."
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Nov 16, 2017 09:17
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Just gently caress already. There's a sale on at 1999 until the 23rd, if anyone didn't know.
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mikeycp posted:
Dammit! Bimmi posted:Good riddance. Piss off.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Good thing we established that they aren't bootlegs forever ago, huh. So if you make a NEW product based primarily off of an IP you don't own the rights to, it's NOT legitimate copyright infringement? Be right back, I gotta go whip up some original Mario merchandise before the Odyssey hype wears off..
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Nov 16, 2017 12:59
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Nov 16, 2017 13:05
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You don't have to go full hog black/white morality on copyright, you know. The rational stance is to be against infringement of properties within a grace period, but otherwise be ok with new iterations. As in, if someone came out with a bootleg RG Unicorn: Banshee Norn ver., gently caress them. But a model kit based off a 4 year old MG model kit based off a 20 year old show? Whatever.
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Neurolimal posted:You don't have to go full hog black/white morality on copyright, you know. The rational stance is to be against infringement of properties within a grace period, but otherwise be ok with new iterations. I don't think that argument really works when Bandai are well-known for regularly producing new runs of their back-catalogue.
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Nov 16, 2017 13:31
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RillAkBea posted:So if you make a NEW product based primarily off of an IP you don't own the rights to, it's NOT legitimate copyright infringement? Be right back, I gotta go whip up some original Mario merchandise before the Odyssey hype wears off.. You would have to make your own original version of Mario. Like Mario wearing a bucket hat. Then it would be fine. Neddy Seagoon posted:I don't think that argument really works when Bandai are well-known for regularly producing new runs of their back-catalogue. Or that time some Chinese company unveiled their Master Grade Providence Gundam and then literally less than a week later Bandai unveiled the actual Master Grade Providence Gundam
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Nov 16, 2017 13:45
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I don't think that argument really works when Bandai are well-known for regularly producing new runs of their back-catalogue. I mean, so does Disney, and most people tend to agree that their stranglehold on copyright and IP laws is absurd.
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Neurolimal posted:You don't have to go full hog black/white morality on copyright, you know. The rational stance is to be against infringement of properties within a grace period, but otherwise be ok with new iterations. I don't share your criteria, considering that Bandai is pretty good with non P-Bandai reprints but I get where you're coming from. For me, I'm okay with it so long as it isn't just straight up selling itself as being the same thing but cheaper. Not that I feel any pity towards the huge corporation, but to be honest it's just not interesting. Save a few bucks for the hassle of dealing with worse plastic and probable fitting issues? If I'm getting something that's not Bandai, it needs to have something appealing and unique to it, whether it's more detail, a suit you can't find elsewhere, or in the worst case scenario something that's been out of print forever because of limited runs. If I'm going third party, it's because they have something I love and can't get otherwise. The DM Exia I've been working on is a great example of that, it's using the proportions of the various Metal Builds as the base, but I'm way more attached to something that I built myself than just buying something pre built, and all the options for customization and modification just make it all the better since I can personalize it by taking my favorite parts of each of the options. You lose out on some of the high quality painting (if you're like me and are a mostly straight build plebian), and diecast and stuff, but it's way more satisfying and personal. At the very least, it has to do something to make it more interesting, and not just doing a ctrl+c ctrl+v remold like Daban does. This goes doubly for stuff like the Hazel or Woundwort. They're stuff that at best are going to end up as P-Bandai, if they ever get made at all, so I don't feel bad about getting the Magic Toys Hazel or Cutecube Woundwort. But then, Bandai came out with a Hazel of their own, and once I get some free money, I'm getting that one too. Same goes for any eventual 1/100 Xi or Penelope models that Bandai might do in the future, even though I have the Mechanicore versions. They all have their own personal aesthetic sensibilities and touches, and I hope I get the chance to have them side by side on my shelf someday. Edit: Guy Goodbody posted:Or that time some Chinese company unveiled their Master Grade Providence Gundam and then literally less than a week later Bandai unveiled the actual Master Grade Providence Gundam This is actually a great point in working in the reverse. The third party kit looked okay, and I was gonna buy it because I liked the design, but then Bandai dropped their version and I immediately dropped my preorder with SD like a hot stone. The official Bandai one just had so much more detail, was so much bigger, more imposing, had a way cooler saber arm, and just a bunch of other cool things that made the other one look like crap in comparison. At least to me, I know Taurus likes his, but I find the official one way more appealing, and the best part is I don't even have to buy it now and can just get it when I want to in the future because I don't have to worry about it disappearing forever. It really does cut both ways, and for me, I'm just interested in what suits my tastes more. ACES CURE PLANES fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 13:48
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Neurolimal posted:I mean, so does Disney, and most people tend to agree that their stranglehold on copyright and IP laws is absurd. ...So you're saying people should be free to make their own Mickey Mouse cartoons without licensing or fear of being sued? 
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Nov 16, 2017 13:48
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If we didn't have bootleg toys half of Phelous's video catalog would be gone. And that would be sad.
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Nov 16, 2017 13:50
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Neddy Seagoon posted:...So you're saying people should be free to make their own Mickey Mouse cartoons without licensing or fear of being sued? Considering he's 11 years off from being 100 years old, yeah. Totally. Innovation is often born from reiteration.
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Nov 16, 2017 13:55
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Dm was playing with fire and I can see why bandai came down. I'm prettry sure that dm stuff also ate into the sales of existing bandai stuff. Like I remember a ton of people saying don't buy the mg destiny get the dm one. A kit based on the metal build. I don't think bandai was being unreasonable here.
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Nov 16, 2017 14:24
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I for one an disappointed I didn't grab the Exia Avalanche when I had the chance. Oh Well.
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For those who care, GMC just put the last DM Exia Repair kit they found in the warehouse up for auction on their ebay page: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/DRAGON-MOMOKO-1-100-GUNDAM-MB-Ver-MG-EXIA-REPAIR-R1-4-R1-4-DM035B-/132401203456 Edit: aaaaand i'm out. 80 Canadian dollars and I still get outbid. TaurusOxford fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 14:38
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As an alternative to 3rd party copyright morality debates, I present the new Kotobukiya ARX-7 Arbalest, AKA the reason why I just JIMP: https://hlj.com/product/KBYKP-366
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Nov 16, 2017 14:45
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1/60? That's like HG size equivalent right? I see there's a 1/48 of Mao's on offer from Aoshima. Would that fit in better with my 1/100s? Assuming it's any good that is.
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:1/60? That's like HG size equivalent right? I have that and the normal M9 in Private Warehouse along with the VCD Giant Robo. My wallet fears the shipping total but if you don't mind waiting a week or so I'll take the plunge. At this point it's cheaper for 3-day DHL or Fedex than EMS. 
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Neddy Seagoon posted:...So you're saying people should be free to make their own Mickey Mouse cartoons without licensing or fear of being sued? Disney's copyright lobbying has effectively destroyed the concept of public domain in north america
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I'm not going going into the knockoff discussion itself but I just want to complain about a related but different thing: I preordered the DM Exia set with the R1-2-3 parts, paid for it. Few weeks later I got the shipping invoice from Samueldecal. Since his shipping option was hilariously expensive (like I can ship 2 PG's for that) I messaged him about it mainly thinking it was just a wrong amount, he took a p long time to get back to me. Can't blame him for the time delay since he's a single (or few) people operation. Well today I got the message I would get refunded since he had expanded his stock and no more production runs where coming. I'm not really convinced he did a bad shipping practice, it sucks for me but I'm not mad or anything; got a full refund right away. But I bought this set only because of the cool design and it being ordered at the end of a really lovely summer; so now I'm double bummed out. Guess ill try to track down a Metal build 00Q now, that was next on the list of reinterpretation designs I loved.
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This policy isn't really important in this situation, Bimmi's posts are rule breaking without having to delve into a former mod's policy. Regardless, feel free to submit reports on people who violate the policy, this thread usually never has any problems so I'm kinda shocked.
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What rules am I breaking, exactly? Not trying to be lovely, am genuinely curious. e: I generally leave the bootleg issue alone, despite having strong opinions, but if there's some rule to the effect of "no criticism allowed" I was certainly not aware of it. Bimmi fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Bimmi posted:What rules am I breaking, exactly? Not trying to be lovely, am genuinely curious. The "don't be a huge rear end in a top hat" rule.
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Hey guys I like model kits of giant robots. What are some of your favorite giant robots? I知 building an MG Ez-8 right now what fun model kits are you guys building?
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Nov 16, 2017 23:00
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Ive been working on (started and then petered out on) an mg f91 for like 2 years (finished torso and head) and a pg rx 78-2 for over a decade (finished everything but the legs).
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Deep Striker, Exia, and Unicorn are all in various states of completion/disassembly. And that's before getting into the actual backlog. 
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I'm waiting for a Lightning Black Warrior to arrive so I can start on my project for the C-SPAM Gunpla Challenge.
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I was going to get a Geara Zulu guards type, but I waited one day and my local store sold it. Must be a popular kit...
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:Deep Striker, Exia, and Unicorn are all in various states of completion/disassembly. And that's before getting into the actual backlog. Yeah I dont have a huge backlog, but in addition to the f91 (which I will almost certainly return to before the pg rx78) I have an mg heavyarms and mg tallgeese.
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MR continues to be best mod. 
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So, the process if I'm going to Matt Coat this MG Zaku from fresh-in-box is: -Wash in soapy water to remove sandpaper and grit -Do panel lining and stickers/decals -Gloss Coat -Testor's Dullcoat Right? I'm a dumbass and I don't want to gently caress it up.
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Nov 16, 2017 23:48
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My decals for my Kampfer showed up so I can finish that but I also need to make progress on my PG Strike. Also I had my first RG, 3 HGs, and the Hyaku Shiki show up today.
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Gonna start on the pg zaku 2 as part one of a project that project I've wanted to do since I first started modelling and make a hanger like the ones shown in the underground base for 0083.
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I put together the RG Unicorn and had so much fun I picked up the untransformed HG so I can put them next to each other. Gotta say, that HG is one of the best I've had. Stable, 2 stickers, easy to panel line, nearly everything is white so no stress mark worries. Took 3 hours masking the clear bits on the RG Also made little notecard placards with their name + grade + scale so they look like museum specimens Wow! So real!!
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worthless. posted:Hey guys I like model kits of giant robots. What are some of your favorite giant robots? I知 building an MG Ez-8 right now what fun model kits are you guys building? The Z'gok is fun to build even if its old . Currently I'm building a MG Rick Dom.
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I知 building the RG Unicorn now too. The details are cool, but I prefer the excellent articulation of the RG Exia so far. I only have the legs completed on the Unicorn though. I have an HG Barzam and an MG Turn X in my backlog. I知 considering picking up an Assault Buster V2 next because I love the look. Once the Turn X is complete, I would love to build the MG Nu and MG Sazabi. I like to build MGs in matching pairs.
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brainwrinkle posted:I知 building the RG Unicorn now too. The details are cool, but I prefer the excellent articulation of the RG Exia so far. I only have the legs completed on the Unicorn though. Speaking of the Turn X, I recently ordered the butterfly wings for the MG Turn A. I'm considering recreating the end of the final showdown.
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Now that I know those exist, I need them as well.
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