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FastestGunAlive posted:Any verification on the private plane deduction? Haven’t seen it pop up yet in the news and it seems like an easy thing to latch onto and highlight I'm wondering how many rich people even own or operate their private planes under their personal name. I would think most of them keep it under an LLC or other corporate entity where the deduction wouldn't matter, or would matter in the sense that Delta gets to deduct operating expenses as a business expense. I'm not sure if this bill only covers personal deduction or also business ones. It's not much different than deducting mileage for a personal car used for business, assuming they aren't out joyriding in their planes. I'm not sure it would be possible to remove that type of deduction only from billionaires while allowing it to be used by the airlines, etc. Do farmers that use horse drawn plows get to deduct horse expenses?
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boop the snoot posted:“There’s levels to this sexual assault/harrassment poo poo”
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The way I'm seeing it is he had a lovely kiss during a skit rehearsal that he stopped immediately and apologized for when she got uncomfortable followed by a boorish photo that did not involve touching. Maybe I'm just callous from all the poo poo I've seen but it's not moving the needle much, even if I think it was in poor taste and deserved an apology. Saying that if it was a Republican I would lose my mind just because I apparently cannot think logically or consistently does not help your case.
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Casimir Radon posted:*Has never made a tasteless joke that could be considered sexual harrassment under certain circumstances. If you want to bring it up to my future employer you’re more than welcome to. If I run for office you’re more than welcome to. I’ll run as a democrat though in order to shield myself from the backlash that a republican obviously would have gotten if a picture like that had come out. Paul Ryan has a picture like that come out he would be DOA in this thread.
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boop the snoot posted:“There’s levels to this sexual assault/harrassment poo poo” Yeah, it's a blanket statement. The punishment should fit the crime. She made a complaint about an incident that happened a decade ago, he copped to it and apologized, she accepted it, and he's agreeing to and cooperating with an ethics investigation. The most he should be penalized is a censure and then let the voters of Minnesota decide in 2020 if they still want him around. She's not pressing charges and there's been no other accusers (so far). Now, if he was accused of inappropriate behavior while in office, that's a different story and any inappropriate behavior while in office would constitute an abuse of his position of authority. That would require him to resign (in my eyes). Or if he's accused by multiple credible women and shows a distinct pattern of abuse.
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Nov 17, 2017 18:49
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boop the snoot posted:“There’s levels to this sexual assault/harrassment poo poo” I'll call for his resignation after the reds call for theirs. I'm tired of only seeing my guys face consequences. Sure, gently caress tribalism and all that, but I'm sick of seeing the dams fall on swords when they should be using those swords to chop of. ChiMo dick.
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To be honest I really don't know whether he should resign. I think maybe he should? Because he's an elected official he should be setting a really good example. But then the bar has been set so low these days that maybe he shouldn't? I mean if he goes and the president is still in place well what does that even matter then? I'm slightly inclined to let him stay, not because of what he did, but because he admitted it, apologized, but most importantly the lady accepted the apology. To me it implies that there was no threat there, no overt malice, just he did something gross and really fuckin' dumb and that's what she took it as. But if he goes, well, poo poo. He's probably got a lot more good work in him, but them's the brakes I guess.
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Nov 17, 2017 18:58
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The republicans do not want to kick Franken out. That sets a precedent that if his behavior warrants that, what happens to the rest of those like Moore?
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Nov 17, 2017 18:59
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If we're gonna force out Franken for lesser, we need to be forcing out a lot of people for that much or more. If we're not going to force out people for greater offenses than Franken's, then not sure why he should go either.
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KirbyKhan posted:I'll call for his resignation after the reds call for theirs. I'm tired of only seeing my guys face consequences. Sure, gently caress tribalism and all that, but I'm sick of seeing the dams fall on swords when they should be using those swords to chop of. ChiMo dick. This is the whataboutism that we poo poo on republicans for all the time.
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The democratic candidate for governor of Ohio.  https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/931583273800790016
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FastestGunAlive posted:Any verification on the private plane deduction? Haven’t seen it pop up yet in the news and it seems like an easy thing to latch onto and highlight I tried looking into it, but I think it's an exemption that's existed for a while. https://qz.com/196369/why-buying-a-corporate-jet-pays-for-itself/ “Take private jets, for example, which have an IRS-specified useful life of five years, allowing firms to write off 70% of their cost within the first three years.”
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Nov 17, 2017 19:14
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Can the nukes just fall already
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Handsome Ralph posted:
Because it's 2017.
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M_Gargantua posted:The democratic candidate for governor of Ohio. I'd vote for him.
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So he apologized immediately at the time and once again when it came up. I am still not seeing a pattern of predatory behavior here to justify crucifixion.
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By slept with he means jerked off in the bathroom thinking about.
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M_Gargantua posted:The democratic candidate for governor of Ohio. I'm waiting for the follow up post talking about his big dick
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50 women over 50 years....what the gently caress bro. 50 women is like a year in college as an undergrad Git ur numbers up
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M_Gargantua posted:The democratic candidate for governor of Ohio. 
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mlmp08 posted:Sounds like your broke brained relatives are even worse at thinking than you thought, then Yeah I found this out the hard way
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lightpole posted:So he apologized immediately at the time and once again when it came up. I am still not seeing a pattern of predatory behavior here to justify crucifixion. This. The context of the joke was laid out too from the picture. I know of one picture I have where I did this to my friend at a range (a male). It is clearly meant to be humor but it falls flat. I would say this if it was Mitch McConnell in that same exact scenario (face expressions and all) if that apology followed. It’s not us vs them. It’s us vs predatory sexual assaulters. The system far too often chews people up with sexual offenses that are undeserving. But because we witch hunt, we don’t recognize the repeat offenders from the “taken out of context/accident/one really bad mistake/whatever.” Example: my step-uncle was drinking and pissing outside. He passed out with his noodle out. His friends left him there, on the front lawn. Next morning a girl and her mother are walking to school, see his dangly bits, call the police. Before he died he had to register as a sex offender for “exposing himself to a minor.” He quit drinking after that because that was not him. There’s also the kid who played doctor with a mayors daughter and got slapped with sexual harassment charges at 4-5 years old and then served with a loving gag order to prevent them from talking about it. Another kid who was facing registration because he sat on another kid’s face and farted. loving kid stuff. It’s us Vs Roy Moore. I’ll be honest, I barely know who Al Fraken is (I know a senator, not where) so I’m saying this generally. She accepted his apology and he called an ethics inquiry on himself. He shouldn’t resign.
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boop the snoot posted:This is the whataboutism that we poo poo on republicans for all the time. No, not really. Whataboutism is trying to minimize or deflect criticism of your side by pointing to the failings of the other side. Nobody's doing that. Everybody accepts that what Franken did was wrong and he should face some kind of consequence for it. The question is what consequence is appropriate, and whether or not Moore faces any consequence for a far greater crime should factor into that.
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Fister Roboto posted:No, not really. Whataboutism is trying to minimize or deflect criticism of your side by pointing to the failings of the other side. Nobody's doing that. Everybody accepts that what Franken did was wrong and he should face some kind of consequence for it. The question is what consequence is appropriate, and whether or not Moore faces any consequence for his actions should factor into that. “I’ll call for his resignation after the other side calls for theirs” is the same thing as “what about the other side and what they did?” You can try to justify it all you want but Franken should definitely lose his job. Moore deserves more consequences beyond losing his job, Franken doesn’t. But at the very least he should lose his job. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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boop the snoot posted:Franken should definitely lose his job. No this is not definite. Especially when the victim herself said he shouldn't have to resign, and there have been no other similar stories so far.
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boop the snoot posted:“I’ll call for his resignation after the other side calls for theirs” is the same thing as “what about the other side and what they did?” Still not seeing why a poorly thought out sketch and photo should lead to this. Please explain, what part of this offends you so much? I am trying to figure out where my disconnect is.
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Fister Roboto posted:No this is not definite. Especially when the victim herself said he shouldn't have to resign, and there have been no other similar stories so far. Victims don’t dictate punishment for perpetrators and there’s a logical reason why they don’t. People shouldn’t get away with poo poo that is bad just because the victim said “nah we cool.” Going forward would it be okay for a politician to pose in a picture like that and keep his job? If yes, then yes. But I don’t agree. If no, then the person who did it first should be treated like the person who would do it second.
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lightpole posted:Still not seeing why a poorly thought out sketch and photo should lead to this. Please explain, what part of this offends you so much? I am trying to figure out where my disconnect is. If you want to stop sexual assault then stop sexual assault. Joking around and miming sexual assault when a woman is sleeping isn’t in some “well lol... just boys being boys” category. It’s poo poo behavior and letting someone get away with it draws a line in the sand. That line being “this is okay as long as you apologize and she says it’s okay, so you can take that risk!”
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Soulex posted:They do dictate punishment by deciding to press charges or not. I said he doesn’t deserve charges but he definitely deserves to lose his job.
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https://twitter.com/DipswitchDan/status/931413204504334336 I've been seeing this info popping up in a few other places, but this thread seems to connect most of it. The metadata on the Franken photo that is being circulated shows the photo was taken a few days before when it was supposed to happen according to the reporters story. Could be a misremembered date, an improperly programmed camera or any number of other things. The more interesting piece is that the metadata also includes the datetime stamp from when it was opened, possibly modified, and saved in photoshop, which happened to be 3 years later on the same date that Al Franken's opponent conceded the election. All of this metadata can be manipulated, but it definitely seems pretty strange on it's face without further investigation.
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If he deserves to lose his job then it's the responsibility of the senate ethics committee and the people who elected him in the first place.
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Delizin posted:https://twitter.com/DipswitchDan/status/931413204504334336 If the EXIF data has been tampered with it absolutely is worth investigating. Edit: if it’s a basic edit like color correction, fine. Talking photomanipulation corrections.
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boop the snoot posted:If you want to stop sexual assault then stop sexual assault. Joking around and miming sexual assault when a woman is sleeping isn’t in some “well lol... just boys being boys” category. It’s poo poo behavior and letting someone get away with it draws a line in the sand. You're acting as if the only two courses of action are "nothing" or "resign". When we're talking about what punishment is appropriate, pointing to the precedent set by others is absolutely relevant. That's why this isn't whataboutism.
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Fister Roboto posted:You're acting as if the only two courses of action are "nothing" or "resign". He shouldn’t have a job so yeah. If he still has a job then it might as well be “nothing.”
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If the GOP has been sitting on it they were probably saving it for his possible presidential run, but then the Moore stuff started coming out.
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boop the snoot posted:He shouldn’t have a job so yeah. If he still has a job then it might as well be “nothing.” Except you're acting as if he wants to avoid responsibility for this mistakes. He's cooperating with an ethics investigation which could recommend possible punishments up to and including censure or explusion.
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Thwomp posted:Except you're acting as if he wants to avoid responsibility for this mistakes. He's cooperating with an ethics investigation which could recommend possible punishments up to and including censure or explusion. Who cares? Cooperation doesn’t mean he should be able to keep his job. This is a widespread issue in congress and with powerful people in general. Drop the loving hammer so it stops.
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