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G0RF posted:Agent Mothman stated only a few months back that he hadn’t logged in to play the game in over a year and a half due to PC and life issues. He stated that upon finally longing in and determining it met with his continuing approval. His absence did not prevent him from engaging in constant obnoxious argumentation, insult and defense of CIG / Chris Roberts throughout that entire span. 
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Mirificus posted:https://twitter.com/iq_derek/status/931503347055685634 https://twitter.com/BSPCinc/status/931578067906105349
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big nipples big life posted:That was also before they lowered hero costs by something like 75% They also lowered rewards when they lowered the hero costs and this was posted after they did that, but I'm not sure if it takes the original costs into account or the updated ones.
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They lowered the big chunk of points or w/e they are called you get at the end of the campaign but not the normal rate you earn them in multiplayer. I think the cap in the arcade mode is still there, which is pretty lovely.
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Regrettable posted:Yeah, about that The problem is that absurd has been normalized to an extent that many people will no longer bat an eye at it. In some freemium JP games, spending 2,000 dollars to chase a single card (not all the content, a single card of of thousands) is common as gently caress, and certainly nobody spending "only" 100 bucks in order to try and get a copy actually expects to get one. EA, Ubisoft, and the other "AAA" developers just want to get in the action, because games like Monster Strike or many other rando games make more cash than anything that is not called GTA V or Minecraft.
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Solarin posted:Reading between the lines here says there will be no player to player trading in the MVP How come?
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Nyast posted:They are going to cultivate the ambiguity around the MVP in order to not admit this is their SC "1.0" release. They have absolutely no incentive on ever acknowledging a release. It wouldn't make sense from a business perspective (they'd have to stop selling their virtual ships since it was only supposed to fund development until the release). It wouldn't make sense from a PR perspective (masses of fans being disapointed in the state of the game at launch). It wouldn't make sense from a legal perspective (I bought that ship in 2015, game is released, why isn't it in it ?). Reading between the lines in their interviews, they're preparing their community for the MVP. It's all there in the verbiage. And when someone will point out that the game is full of bugs / unstable / lack feature X, their community's response will inevitably be "but it's a WIP, it's not released yet". Win and win. They've litterally invented a new paradigm that allows them to get away with everything and their fans are applauding with their two hands. If that isn't genius, I dunno what it is. Welcome. Do you have a Star Citizen story?
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Nyast posted:They are going to cultivate the ambiguity around the MVP in order to not admit this is their SC "1.0" release. They have absolutely no incentive on ever acknowledging a release. It wouldn't make sense from a business perspective (they'd have to stop selling their virtual ships since it was only supposed to fund development until the release). It wouldn't make sense from a PR perspective (masses of fans being disapointed in the state of the game at launch). It wouldn't make sense from a legal perspective (I bought that ship in 2015, game is released, why isn't it in it ?). Reading between the lines in their interviews, they're preparing their community for the MVP. It's all there in the verbiage. And when someone will point out that the game is full of bugs / unstable / lack feature X, their community's response will inevitably be "but it's a WIP, it's not released yet". Win and win. They've litterally invented a new paradigm that allows them to get away with everything and their fans are applauding with their two hands. If that isn't genius, I dunno what it is. Great post. Just chiming in to say this technique is not new, it's literally how software startups scam VC's into giving them money until they can find some larger company to bail them out. - The product doesn't matter. - The tech doesn't matter. - The only thing that matters is how you are perceived by people who pay you. Welcome to modern technology in a post-scarcity economy.
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McGiggins posted:Consistent and reliably good posting. You're too kind, but I would be a terrible and malevolent leader. I volunteer G0RF. Regrettable posted:This was obviously before they decided to temporarily remove purchases from the game, but it's completely absurd. I believe they've got a sweaty digit on the slot machine button from Vegas. https://io9.gizmodo.com/how-casinos-use-design-psychology-to-get-you-to-gamble-1667182023 Sure there's no 1:1 relationship with a casino floor and an online shootmans, but all the abstract concepts are there to attract those loose credit cards. Again, there's the 'but people want to give us money for ingame advantages, who are we to judge', etc arguments. big nipples big life posted:That was also before they lowered hero costs by something like 75% I think they realized that nobody wanted to play for a week to be a Wookie.
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Hav posted:He's getting so close. Cymelion, Cymelion, Cymelion. You are so close. Soooooo close. You're trying so hard. You're performing all the Stations of the CRoberts as hard as you can. You're pouring scorn on the unbelievers and the goons and the refunders with all your heart, and I think your faith is genuine. But the blessing never comes. The Evocati invite never materialises. Listen to your anger, Cymelion. The feeling of being shut out. The fear that CIG are sneering at you, that the Evocati are an unjustly-promoted elite who only got their posts by somehow being more faithful than you in ways you don't understand. You just have to make that last leap of logic. To realise that all that matters to CIG is your money. They don't care how faithful you are, how loyal, how dedicated. They just want you to buy more ships. You're not in the Evocati because you aren't a whale they need to keep happy. Because I'm very sorry to say your worst deep-down fear is true. CIG just don't care about you enough to give you Evocati access, because all your loyalty and defence of the faith is just what they expect from their fans. To truly stand out, to truly be recognised as the elite, there is only one thing you can do and that is Buy More Ships. One day you are going to realise this. Realise that all CIG care about is the golden glow coming from your wallet. That the thing you are missing is simply a willingness to stack more purchases on your credit card. Not faith, not friendship, not great deeds in defence of Star Citizen...not anything except that ker-ching. That will be very painful for you and you will be very angry on that day. But not to worry. r/starcitizen_refunds will be waiting for you. Despite all the horrible things you've said about them in the past. Back when you were hoping that surely, surely owning those filthy refunders would have to get you recognised by CIG this time. Because unlike you, they aren't doing it in the hope of catching the eye of some supreme being. That last little leap, Cymelion. Just step out onto the precipice...and ask yourself who, really, you're actually angry at right now and why.
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The starry-eyed wisdom cult of Derek's junk. Ph'nglui g'het mglw'nafh Derek a Testes wgah'nagl fhtagn r'fund.
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thatguy posted:Does anyone else think EA is bad?
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Hav posted:Derek's junk. um it's called a "blog"
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I think they were trying to do like Overwatch but it being EA they poo poo it up. They are not going to charge for new maps and stuff like OW but instead of just putting cosmetics in the boxes they put game changing power in the boxes. If they had just went with cosmetics from the start... people would have thrown a fit anyway because it's EA.
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Beet Wagon posted:If I archive everything someone has ever said but do so in a place nobody can read it, does that make Star Citizen good? not just good, but better than ever!
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I think it's important we don't punish the hardcore/faithful when they have a moment of clarity. Like Fandred yesterday. I was genuinely proud of him. He saw through the smoke screen for a minute, and I encourage him to look deeper and follow his curiosity. Challenge his own well-held beliefs about Star Citizen, Chris Roberts, etc. Same with Cymelion. He's seeing through CIG's facade in his own way, and if he has the courage to look a bit deeper, he might start to understand the mechanics behind CIG/RSI and this whole "Star Citizen" thing.
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Beet Wagon posted:If I archive everything someone has ever said but do so in a place nobody can read it, does that make Star Citizen good? That's on par with their dedication to open development, so... yes?
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thatguy posted:Does anyone else think EA is bad? Electronic Access is pretty lovely because CIG has yet to fully flesh out its capabilities.
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D_Smart posted:I never said it was an issue. The previous poster did. 3p9xd1nlnisvzjwzrrqnoypzrus/rgs2l6oovmpahtgspi68f0gb5p5dhouxu4rxwaugisoyh8cso61rrd/ftjnmstmzkojzhgfjp9gc2fqxsl/dluvh9mifkvoicjmiflbiq+fnpauvfmj4tlnf/jjtarlaxlrspkh8qvm8honhzfdt4zoctv6zj9f4xfg64bsnwlv+7abx67ue+fu031uzyzh hxxh0bgk9omsv6yiizuwv+c7o71c1uwkxgh/wmyqwf1ghlfravloim2rzxuufzlwedjztqn/wav1f1l9xsprcdk9u0rwdaqusphc6nwh1tblm6zt18ghlrl5fvya8glad68emsb6uc3fr3yjpnkbuulzju/iemku+kpikeodlmgewg2gniqjjdblfzza17hydnt79znye3nmef+kucl ekeb+c9tufmg7ft9mo6flzfimavjowtxn4ymbbbiudnoomvkl4x846rsuqofj9zuj92hgrhxhgpjelinzkyqewg4z08znogmanybsegrmsztj/hc8dz2cljjlo/1sdecooopkifkribms8/znqgumhlkmss+78q2gqpfsakyyxpyvkqc8ncw2zpxfd1lsehr7zi3xenm2ta+tphhdh khesmoo1aqtl7iwqjjnjgtlhlomnap92+p63xm9q2psgj+gpezryz6hdzig3mnp2ejzeioodtjsuxhpkt2/z8mbmartnuzmykjgftdoquvztxoaepx4tm3hwpknwpyaxdmdi4fj/nvfbl2fwrrqdw5ndiwl/a4ss1n+fagirwnprj7mapfgrb584gadoopkt1hi8xgew2s8mn8few d80maidiy/vhhwssof30ci6jb2qutsmchf/lgc1harf/klbex0qc5uv2b/6vrnttp7adjknwkcdekdj7cubgp/af4y=
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ManofManyAliases posted: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 Please stop haxxoring me.
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For a total of fifteen votes; Which will collapse first; Star Citizen and cehckbox are tied with 40% of the vote, with an incredibly disloyal 20% being reported to Homeland Security. - http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5a0f15d3e4b0da9e9720ec0d
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Nyast posted:They are going to cultivate the ambiguity around the MVP in order to not admit this is their SC "1.0" release. They have absolutely no incentive on ever acknowledging a release. It wouldn't make sense from a business perspective (they'd have to stop selling their virtual ships since it was only supposed to fund development until the release). It wouldn't make sense from a PR perspective (masses of fans being disapointed in the state of the game at launch). It wouldn't make sense from a legal perspective (I bought that ship in 2015, game is released, why isn't it in it ?). Reading between the lines in their interviews, they're preparing their community for the MVP. It's all there in the verbiage. And when someone will point out that the game is full of bugs / unstable / lack feature X, their community's response will inevitably be "but it's a WIP, it's not released yet". Win and win. They've litterally invented a new paradigm that allows them to get away with everything and their fans are applauding with their two hands. If that isn't genius, I dunno what it is. Yes. That's why when croberts uttered the words "Early Access" a few months ago, I wrote a whole article about it. At Gamescom we’re getting a good look at Star Citizen version 3.0. Are you in a state now that you’d term beta? What’s next? “The term beta in terms of Star Citizen – with 3.0 the game is moving into a phase akin to Early Access. It’ll build and grow from there, and then you could say ‘well, it’s not really Early Access anymore’. The price will probably go up a little bit and it will have much more of the features and content going on.” Where do you draw a line in the sand between alpha, beta, Early Access? Are they just labels? “I feel like they’re just labels – people still think of the old way [of making games], like my past games. We’d talk about a game for years, we’d show it, but no one would have their hands on it ’til it was out. There was an obsession with ‘when will it get released’. Even with those [traditional boxed] games now, they get patched, they add things, make things better over time. The way I look at it is, if you’ve supported Star Citizen you can download and play 2.63 which is a mini, early-stage version of this universe and play around.“ They are interchanging MVP and Early Access now; despite the fact that they have been fully funded to deliver two complete games since Nov 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvCri1tqIxQ ----------------
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Please stop haxxoring me. It's a cipher block saying 'I got a refund'.
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D_Smart posted:Yes. That's why when croberts uttered the words "Early Access" a few months ago, I wrote a whole article about it. The advantage of some kind of Early Access is that they have more solid grounds to reject refund requests and also can stay there forever virtually without a launch. On the other hand I also hope that the full weight of critic/reviews scores also falls on them. Either way it is going to be fun to see the display of mental gymnastics by shitizens of all kinds trying to explain how Early Access is a good thing for Star Citizen (when the promise was for the full thing) all the while hand waving the previous "take as much time as you want to make it right" to justify delays. If they go the Early Access route, I am really curious and eager to see how CIG presents it on launch day. MedicineHut fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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ManofManyAliases posted:3p9xd1nlnisvzjwzrrqnoypzrus/rgs2l6oovmpahtgspi68f0gb5p5dhouxu4rxwaugisoyh8cso61rrd/ftjnmstmzkojzhgfjp9gc2fqxsl/dluvh9mifkvoicjmiflbiq+fnpauvfmj4tlnf/jjtarlaxlrspkh8qvm8honhzfdt4zoctv6zj9f4xfg64bsnwlv+7abx67ue+fu031uzyzh I put this key in steam but it gave me nothing. Are you sure about it ?
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MedicineHut posted:The advantage of some kind of Early Access is that they have more solid grounds to reject refund requests and also can stay there forever virtually without a launch. On the other hand I also hope that the full weight of critic/reviews scores also falls on them. "akin" to early access means the upsides of delivering a product, but not having public reviews for the product outside of the faithful. Bear in mind the speaker doesn't like exposing himself to those messy 'metrics' and 'deadlines' because he's curating a vision. MedicineHut posted:If they go the Early Access route, I am really curious and eager to see how CIG presents it on launch day. Horror Survival.
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Hav posted:For a total of fifteen votes; I don't care, I'm not from this 3rd world country under Trump admin and I'm #teamcehckbox.
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Hav posted:It's a cipher block saying 'I got a refund'.
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ManofManyAliases posted:3p9xd1nlnisvzjwzrrqnoypzrus/rgs2l6oovmpahtgspi68f0gb5p5dhouxu4rxwaugisoyh8cso61rrd/ftjnmstmzkojzhgfjp9gc2fqxsl/dluvh9mifkvoicjmiflbiq+fnpauvfmj4tlnf/jjtarlaxlrspkh8qvm8honhzfdt4zoctv6zj9f4xfg64bsnwlv+7abx67ue+fu031uzyzh I don't speak X'ian, translation? Wait I do know one phrase: etsy cow show moma?
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Latin Pheonix posted:Jesus Christ, what does it take these people to question CIG? Chris Roberts walking up to them and slapping them in the face? I'll never wash my face again!
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Thoatse posted:Wait I do know one phrase: etsy cow show moma? "He say you braidrunner"
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