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Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

Quad posted:

So, ok, there's about 1,000 anime visual novel games on Steam.
But that's because they're super cheap and easy to make, right? There aren't any actual Positive Experiences I'm missing out on, right?
Like, is there a GOOD anime visual novel? One that Those People go "aww yeah, you GOTTA play Nekochan Love Missile XXY, it's the Chrono Trigger of dumb porno games" or whatever?

The "good" ones rely so heavily on existing anime cliches and weeaboo/otaku culture that they have almost zero crossover appeal to anyone who isn't already an unironic fan of them to begin with. And they still usually have gross sex stuff in them because you have to if you want anything to sell.

Other than that it's just wackety-shmackety "dating sim only instead of dating girls you're dating things that aren't girls" ironic novelty dating sims that are rapidly becoming just as much of a low-effort plague as the real thing and a few glorified creepypastas.

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Danakir
Feb 10, 2014

Quad posted:

So, ok, there's about 1,000 anime visual novel games on Steam.
But that's because they're super cheap and easy to make, right? There aren't any actual Positive Experiences I'm missing out on, right?
Like, is there a GOOD anime visual novel? One that Those People go "aww yeah, you GOTTA play Nekochan Love Missile XXY, it's the Chrono Trigger of dumb porno games" or whatever?

Try Hustle Cat and Butterfly Soup. The latter is free and neither of them has gross porn/smut to get in the way of telling a good story with endearing characters. Also Butterfly Soup is legit very funny in a 'embarrass yourself in public busting a gut' kinda way.

That's my (sorta) anime visual novel recommendation. I guess it might not count if you mean only japanese VNs.

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway
How much gameplay and cutscenes does a visual novel get to have before it's not a visual novel. I've seen Ace Attourney, the Nonary Games, and Dangan Ronpa get called Visual Novels.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I try to think of what I'd really want to experience in a VN and the answer that comes out of the process winds up being Blow's The Witness. I guess I'm not the target demographic. Even the non-porn VNs seem to be proxy dating sims 99% of the time.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Hemingway To Go! posted:

How much gameplay and cutscenes does a visual novel get to have before it's not a visual novel. I've seen Ace Attourney, the Nonary Games, and Dangan Ronpa get called Visual Novels.

in 1957 the Supreme Court ruled that any game can be considered a visual novel as long as most of its activities involve clicking through dialogue & static scenes

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Discendo Vox posted:

I try to think of what I'd really want to experience in a VN and the answer that comes out of the process winds up being Blow's The Witness. I guess I'm not the target demographic. Even the non-porn VNs seem to be proxy dating sims 99% of the time.

Be honest

you're actually Jonathon Blow aren't you?

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
I only play visual novels when there's none of these pesky people in them to interact with

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Discendo Vox posted:

I try to think of what I'd really want to experience in a VN and the answer that comes out of the process winds up being Blow's The Witness. I guess I'm not the target demographic. Even the non-porn VNs seem to be proxy dating sims 99% of the time.

phoenix wright isn't a dating sim but the answer is never "i save my piss in jars" like the witness no

ironically i'm pretty sure that's the ending to a lot of porn VNs however

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

il_cornuto posted:

Be honest

you're actually Jonathon Blow aren't you?

I wish, dude has design chops. Also lotsa cash and connections, at this point.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Quad posted:

So, ok, there's about 1,000 anime visual novel games on Steam.
But that's because they're super cheap and easy to make, right? There aren't any actual Positive Experiences I'm missing out on, right?
Like, is there a GOOD anime visual novel? One that Those People go "aww yeah, you GOTTA play Nekochan Love Missile XXY, it's the Chrono Trigger of dumb porno games" or whatever?

No

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
Fate/stay night is a legit fun read but it's not exactly high art or anything

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
I'm generally not into visual novels whatsoever but I ended up finding Love At First Sight to be endearing as a short, cheap VN with a neat art style and I can't really think of a good way to put it but it felt kinda like it was a visual novel that was made for me. It's like that junji ito holes thing where somehow I was pulled to this one particular visual novel and ended up enjoying it a lot.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

I dunno guys, VNs are pretty good






[...]



SuccinctAndPunchy
Mar 29, 2013

People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

Hemingway To Go! posted:

How much gameplay and cutscenes does a visual novel get to have before it's not a visual novel. I've seen Ace Attourney, the Nonary Games, and Dangan Ronpa get called Visual Novels.

I mean they do predominantly involve scrolling through text so it's not like it's the wildest genre assignment out there.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
You know that part in NieR: Automata, where there's a lot of text on screen and you sometimes get to choose between two things?

That's a VN.

It's NieR: Automata

Largepotato
Jan 18, 2007

Spurd.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/750210/Last_Anime_boy_Saving_loli/

quote:

2088 year. As it turned out, the future is not that bright. Nazi Muslims came to power. In the world, everything was banned: LGBT community, miniskirts, free parking, and most importantly banned ANIME.


http://store.steampowered.com/app/718580/Plans_for_NY/ :nws:

quote:

This story is telling you about young girl Kathryn and her New Year's unexpectable sex adventures.

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI


ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016


Is last anime boy just a reskinned wolf 3d?

Mr.Misfit
Jan 10, 2013

The time for
SkellyBones
has come!

ilmucche posted:

Is last anime boy just a reskinned wolf 3d?

No, according to itīs trailer itīs worse. Wolf3D was a good game for itīs time. This looks worse. Far worse.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

Mr.Misfit posted:

No, according to itīs trailer itīs worse. Wolf3D was a good game for itīs time. This looks worse. Far worse.

The trailer is also apparently using unlicensed music according to the steam forums. It's a really lovely asset flip.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

Forget your RoboCoX or your StickyCoX or your EvilCoX, MY CoX has Blinking Bewbs!

WHY IS THIS GAME DEAD?!

ilmucche posted:

Is last anime boy just a reskinned wolf 3d?

This is another one of those times where you have to sit back, take another shot of Jim Beam, and ask yourself; is this a troll, or is there a 350lb sperglord out there who actually thinks this is a good game?

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Mokinokaro posted:

The trailer is also apparently using unlicensed music according to the steam forums. It's a really lovely asset flip.
It's kind of hosed up that an "asset flip" is actually a thing. There used to be a time when Limbo of the Lost was some bizzare exception but now it's just reality.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
That's still different. That's stolen assets to make what they wanted. It just ended up being horrible.


Asset flips are straight 1% effort jobs in order to scam money. There's no love or good intent in there.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
I know there was a whole thread at some point for goons making amazon kindle erotica

was there ever a steam equivalent for goon dating sims?

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

Alan Smithee posted:

I know there was a whole thread at some point for goons making amazon kindle erotica

was there ever a steam equivalent for goon dating sims?
Goon dating?

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Sims. The emphasis is on sims.

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!
already posted, nm

Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Nov 20, 2017

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Alan Smithee posted:

was there ever a steam equivalent for goon dating sims?

as the story of a pretty lady fighting off hordes of deranged unwashed hobos, Tomb Raider is the closest I think you'll get

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
http://store.steampowered.com/app/749330/Girlfriends_sister/

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

- True Story

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
That developer is dumping a lot of poo poo on Steam. Including a bunch of game bundles that claim to have 50k+ achievements?

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

RatHat posted:

That developer is dumping a lot of poo poo on Steam. Including a bunch of game bundles that claim to have 50k+ achievements?

Is it Digital Homicide again? VNs are popular now and they’re probably easier to mass produce than asset flipped shooters.

UWBW
Aug 3, 2013

Permanently banned from the Alamo
Is there even any actual point to achievements on Steam? Like, do you get something you can show off to people? Or points? I've got like 400 games on my drat account and I've never even checked.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

UWBW posted:

Is there even any actual point to achievements

no

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

UWBW posted:

Like, do you get something you can show off to people?

People can see your completion percentage if they go looking for it, but I don’t know why anyone would.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

UWBW posted:

Is there even any actual point to achievements on Steam? Like, do you get something you can show off to people? Or points? I've got like 400 games on my drat account and I've never even checked.

I think you can put them in a showcase on your profile so if a game decides to, say, have tons and tons and tons of achievements where the picture for it is a letter of the alphabet, then someone could use that to spell something out on their page. Or that one game where the achievements were all of various my little pony characters so bronies would buy the game and display their favorites on their profile, or the games that have memes as the achievement icons so people can put meme pics on their steam profile.

Of course, that all goes out the window if I'm not recalling correctly and you can't actually display the achievements.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
So as someone who hasn't owned a console in like a decade I had no idea that the quality implosion Steam has been going through over the past few years already happened in microcosm with the Xbox 360 when it dipped its toes into indie gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeeDWzdkRl8

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

Guy Mann posted:

So as someone who hasn't owned a console in like a decade I had no idea that the quality implosion Steam has been going through over the past few years already happened in microcosm with the Xbox 360 when it dipped its toes into indie gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeeDWzdkRl8

The only good thing Silver Dollar Games did is One Finger Death Punch and I guess Try Not To Fart just for the :hurr: factor.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

FirstAidKite posted:

I think you can put them in a showcase on your profile so if a game decides to, say, have tons and tons and tons of achievements where the picture for it is a letter of the alphabet, then someone could use that to spell something out on their page. Or that one game where the achievements were all of various my little pony characters so bronies would buy the game and display their favorites on their profile, or the games that have memes as the achievement icons so people can put meme pics on their steam profile.

Of course, that all goes out the window if I'm not recalling correctly and you can't actually display the achievements.

You can and there's a game with letter achievements so you can spell out four letter words for your profile

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Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
NEW_ACHIEVEMENT_NAME_8_30


They don't even bother naming their achievements and poo poo. Steam should actively have a group of guys who monitor the storefront exclusively for asset flips at this point. There's at least one every single release day. Literally.

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