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Terrible Opinions posted:Isn't Kancolle the one that's literally funded by the Japanese conservative party? I can't say I've ever heard anything about that, but it has gotten accusations of having a conservative bent due to its lionization of the Imperial Japanese Navy and leanings towards historical revisionism re: WWII. It mostly just seems crassly insensitive.
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If you wanna watch something deep you should try Dies Irae. You need great knowledge of Nietzsche and Faust to correctly parse through its themes  Also China made their own Kancolle if you want to see more diverse ships rather than 300 japanese ones and their international friends: three americans, five italians, ten germans, one english and french
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Nov 18, 2017 16:57
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NutritiousSnack posted:It was porn and the actual porn was shoehorned it. It's as time went on more sex poo poo was added in. I... what.
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Nov 18, 2017 18:40
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Lurdiak posted:I... what. Can't you read? It was porn with shoehored porn with more sex added in!!! /s In all seriousess, I think he means Fate/Zero was porn. But, the porn bits were shoehorned in to the overall experience. Like an action movie starring Dolph Lundgren suddenly having a sex scene with full penetration. Over time, the porn to not-porn ratio of the Fate games skewed more porn heavy.
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Nov 18, 2017 18:45
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Fate/Stay Night is a porn game. Fate/Zero is a non-porn novel spinoff series.
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Nov 18, 2017 18:58
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Can we talk about something else now.
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Nov 18, 2017 19:05
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I’ve almost got enough of LOST translated to run the first English playtest.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I can't say I've ever heard anything about that, but it has gotten accusations of having a conservative bent due to its lionization of the Imperial Japanese Navy and leanings towards historical revisionism re: WWII. But yeah, I'd describe Kancolle as insensitive more than anything. It's hard to overstate how terrible the actions of the imperial Japanese military were. (Though of course there's a Kancolle TRPG, and it's by Toichiro Kawashima, the brilliant designer who did Meikyuu Kingdom and Shinobigami.)
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Nov 18, 2017 19:07
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Apparently Frank Metzer is a rape apologist.
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Covok posted:Apparently Frank Metzer is a rape apologist. I’m not surprised, considering recent news, but did he just double down in a public statement or something?
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Nov 18, 2017 19:21
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Lurdiak posted:Can we talk about something else now. Covok posted:Apparently Frank Metzer is a rape apologist. Why can't you people talk about something positive or something you like without having to make excuses instead of raperaperape
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I’m running Unknown Armies 3e for the first time tomorrow. I’m going all in with the “make a conspiracy board out of random clippings” and just the prep of clipping out weird photos from magazines has been fun. I have enough that I’ll do some collage work even after the game. What kinds of experiences have you all had with UA3?
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Nov 18, 2017 19:26
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Plutonis posted:Why can't you people talk about something positive or something you like without having to make excuses instead of raperaperape A friend of mine is running a Persona game using a hack for Monsters and Other Childish Things and I'm excited about that. Also I need to settle on whether or not to spread sage butter or truffle butter on the thanksgiving turkey when I roast it.
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Simian_Prime posted:I’m not surprised, considering recent news, but did he just double down in a public statement or something? Someone from Paizo spoke out about his behavior.
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Ewen Cluney posted:I think it was Gate that was a bit more blatantly right-wing, though not quite to the level of net uyo (kinda sorta Japan's alt-right). It's about the JSDF invading a ridiculous fantasy world, and the promotional art has lots of pics of guys in realistic modern military gear with over the top anime girls. But supposedly the anime adaptation toned down the political weirdness of the original web novel. Yeah, I read just enough of Gate to be grossed out. It's an interesting premise but the actual execution is "Wouldn't it be awesome if we could just commit a bunch of totally sick and brutal war crimes against a bunch of primitive foreigners, we're totally justified because they're stealing our women!" No thanks. But yeah, Kancolle mostly just feels like it falls into the same traps a lot of American wehraboos do where it's like "I know you're not actually a Nazi, but you might want to consider why people mistake you for one..."
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Alien Rope Burn posted:
For the record, I was being kind of hyperbolic--there are specific anime series I do enjoy, but I find the effort of sorting through the immense amount of chaff and/or outright garbage in the medium to be more work than I am willing to do, particularly with western TV getting so good. More specifically onto ARB's point above: I absolutely agree that complexity is often mistaken for good writing. It crops up all the times in cases where something has some good ideas at its core and then covers them up in 9 million hours of trite dialogue and poor characterization. I'd classify FFXIV in this area. I love that game. I actually like the overall plot. But reading through the lame individual dialogue and putting up with the poorly-animated cutscenes is kind of a chore to get to the part that's interesting. It's fortunate that I find playing the game to be fun, or did--I'm taking a break for a bit but going back is in the cards. 90s X-Men continuity also had a lot of this. Even before what we can broadly call the Jim Lee era, Claremont was pretty far up his own rear end. There was a fanbase for that, a pretty big one, but the impenetrable line-wide storyline combined with the speculation boom really wrecked a popular franchise. Yes, there's still X-men stuff today but it's nowhere near where it was. (I haven't been a frequent big two reader in a while, I just like the fun little side books like Vision and Ms. Marvel)
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Yeah, I read just enough of Gate to be grossed out. It's an interesting premise but the actual execution is "Wouldn't it be awesome if we could just commit a bunch of totally sick and brutal war crimes against a bunch of primitive foreigners, we're totally justified because they're stealing our women!" No thanks. Holy poo poo, are you serious? Like, in the literal sense? Or how all fantasy kind of falls into that because of goblins and stuff?
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At one point in Gate, a character literally wonders "Wow, could Japan ever commit wartime atrocities like these" while looking at the fantasy army that just invaded Tokyo via a magical portal. Also at one point Americans try to capture some fantasy people to interrogate (Because Japan isn't giving them enough access to intel on the fantasy world) and there's a whole thing about how only Americans would have black spec-ops. Gate is bad.
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If we're going to talk anime, let's talk Neo Yokio.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:34
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Anime, like role playing games, was a mistake.
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Covok posted:Holy poo poo, are you serious? Like, in the literal sense? Or how all fantasy kind of falls into that because of goblins and stuff? Like, it tries to present its version of the JSDF as righteous and how Japan would never resort to torture, etc., but any confrontation between the fantasy world and the JSDF is just a slaughter on the JSDF's part. War is presented as an awesome thing where you win all the time and liberate hot elves and get to shoot bad people in the dick.
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Remembering Gate made me remember The Salvation War exists and how it's basically the Rationalist equivalent of Gate. And because so many people reposted it and spoiled it, the writer couldn't turn it into a sellable work and also never ended up working on the third book where mankind gets owned by a power that exists beyond heaven and hell so it's permanently stalled in this state of "and mankind took over heaven and hell and everything owned forever and God and Satan were both killed with superior human firepower". Which is appropriate for the work, ultimately.
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"Imperialism rules and actually we should just bring the Empire back" isn't even an undertone with Gate it's the entire premise of the story, I fully expect it to end some day with the protagonist ripping up the Japanese Constitution and the pieces falling on the floor in the shape of a rising sun flag.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Anime, like role playing games, was a mistake. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood exists.
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Funny how "anime is a mistake" is the Miyazaki quote that went memetic and not the time he said a CGI animated character looked like they had a disability and were an afront to God gently caress Miyazaki
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Hostile V posted:Remembering Gate made me remember The Salvation War exists and how it's basically the Rationalist equivalent of Gate. And because so many people reposted it and spoiled it, the writer couldn't turn it into a sellable work and also never ended up working on the third book where mankind gets owned by a power that exists beyond heaven and hell so it's permanently stalled in this state of "and mankind took over heaven and hell and everything owned forever and God and Satan were both killed with superior human firepower". Salvation War is one of those stories with a good concept and pieces, but kinda falls apart the longer it goes on
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Blockhouse posted:Funny how "anime is a mistake" is the Miyazaki quote that went memetic and not the time he said a CGI animated character looked like they had a disability and were an afront to God It's also not a real quote.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Watch Cowboy Bebop and then basically read manga, because anime for the past couple of years is geared solely to children, perverts, and people into specific weird things. Wait, is manga better for this? Asking seriously; I just assumed it would be like western comics vs. movies where the comics tended to crawl up their own asses and have lots more bizarro poo poo while the movies tried to streamline everything into a coherent narrative. Like, I don't hate anime, but I don't really have the patience to sift through all the pandering crap anymore to find the gems. Plus the tendency of animes to show just a part of whatever manga they're based off of, often with very little resolution in the show, gets really annoying. If manga avoids a lot of that poo poo, I'd be interested.
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Also you're wildly mischaracterizing the other quote too, Miyazaki doesn't say "that looks like someone who has a disability and is an affront to god." They show him an animation of a hideous zombie-like creature that moves by using its head as a leg (by using a learning AI to force it to figure out how to move from scratch), and Miyazaki says (paraphrasing) "I have a friend who's disabled and struggles just to do simple things like a high-five; whoever created this program has no idea what pain really is, and I find it disgusting." https://qz.com/859454/the-director-of-spirited-away-says-animation-made-by-artificial-intelligence-is-an-insult-to-life-itself/ So while I think he's being a grumpy old man about this and shows a surprising lack of appreciation for the grotesque for someone who worked on Princess Mononoke and Nausicaa, it's not like he's being disrespectful of the disabled here. Quite the opposite. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Nov 19, 2017 |
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Manga doesn't have the sprawling shared universes that tend to strangle western comics to death, still can if given the time and choice disappear up their own rear end. Shaman King for instance disappeared in a puff of self-importance.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Manga doesn't have the sprawling shared universes that tend to strangle western comics to death, still can if given the time and choice disappear up their own rear end. Shaman King for instance disappeared in a puff of self-importance. Shaman King is one of those rare cases where the anime is better, and the ending is pretty much the main reason
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drrockso20 posted:Shaman King is one of those rare cases where the anime is better, and the ending is pretty much the main reason The sequel/timeskip starring the protagonists's son is in a limbo cause i haven't seen a new chapter in months?
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After all the Fate/Stay talk I couldn't stop thinking about it, so I shat out a basic idea in a few hours. A bunch of it is just recooked GAG mechanics, but I did try a few new things I've been goofing around with / thinking about. This is, again, all stream-of-thought word vomit so explanations and math are probably a poo poo show but it is a start. I like having something to think about when I hit a brick wall working on my main thing. This is also my first time using Adobe's publish option...? So lord knows if that link is even gonna work
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Lurdiak posted:Can we talk about something else now. What RPG would be best for capturing the grimdarkness, and specifically the in-combat dismemberment, of Myth: The Fallen Lords? Casualties
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WFRP 2e.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:WFRP 2e. 3e with the Khorne supplement.
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gradenko_2000 posted:What RPG would be best for capturing the grimdarkness, and specifically the in-combat dismemberment, of Myth: The Fallen Lords? Using the official GURPS MYTH sourcebook
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Terrible Opinions posted:Manga doesn't have the sprawling shared universes that tend to strangle western comics to death, still can if given the time and choice disappear up their own rear end. Shaman King for instance disappeared in a puff of self-importance. basically manga is generally written by one person, maybe two, and an editor. big manga authors will have assistants but they generally just do stuff like inking or drawing backgrounds, not plot stuff. anime (that was never manga) is usually written by a group and anime adapted from manga usually cuts content or, in the case of weekly anime, adds generally bad content so it doesn't outpace the manga which are generally running weekly at the same time. this doesn't necessarily mean anime is worse than manga, but especially if you want something action/fighting-based, the manga will generally be a lot cleaner.
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Blockhouse posted:"Imperialism rules and actually we should just bring the Empire back" isn't even an undertone with Gate it's the entire premise of the story, I fully expect it to end some day with the protagonist ripping up the Japanese Constitution and the pieces falling on the floor in the shape of a rising sun flag. I mean, doesn't the Japanese self-defense Force lack an air divison? That would kind of take the wind out of the sails of any plans like that.
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