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All the best superheroes are Australian. Still gonna wait on the director's cut for Justice League, I'm guessing it's BvS all over again; cut to a near incoherent mess, still makes a ton of money despite critics complaining it's not the movie they pictured in their heads, and they'll keep on making DC superhero movies regardless.
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Nov 18, 2017 17:57
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Inescapable Duck posted:All the best superheroes are Australian. Well except BvS appears to have poisoned the well, and it’s currently looking at a sub-$100m domestic US opening (and foreign isn’t looking much better), which is good for most films but not when your break even is somewhere near the $700m mark- it’s looking to be a financial flop unless it has substantially better legs than most films, and if the drop-off is like BvS’s it’s looking like disaster territory (and there’s little reason to think it’s going to get amazing word of mouth, especially given competition over the next few weeks). But it’s also a troubled production that was put together before the last WB reshuffle, and they’ve done well otherwise this year, so yeah they’re gonna keep going with DC movies regardless.
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Nov 18, 2017 19:16
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LGD posted:Well except BvS appears to have poisoned the well, and it’s currently looking at a sub-$100m domestic US opening (and foreign isn’t looking much better) gently caress, that'd be the lowest opening of all the DCEU films. It's maybe $40 million less than Suicide Squad's opening weekend.  Edit: looks like updated projections have it making maybe $118 million but that'd still be $15m less than Suicide Squad and $48m less than BvS. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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Nov 18, 2017 20:07
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Inescapable Duck posted:Still gonna wait on the director's cut for Justice League, I'm guessing it's BvS all over again; cut to a near incoherent mess, still makes a ton of money despite critics complaining it's not the movie they pictured in their heads, and they'll keep on making DC superhero movies regardless. What's interesting is that this negative reaction didn't cross over to Wonder Woman, but did cross over to Justice League, which indicates that there probably will be more DCEU films, but if they don't scrap their larger plan and cut loose Zach Snyder and his whole aesthetic, they're nuts.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:14
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:What's interesting is that this negative reaction didn't cross over to Wonder Woman, but did cross over to Justice League, which indicates that there probably will be more DCEU films, but if they don't scrap their larger plan and cut loose Zach Snyder and his whole aesthetic, they're nuts. Wonder Woman is quite faithful to Zack Snyder's aesthetic.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:26
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:BvS didn't make a ton of money by the standards of 250 million dollar major franchise tent-pole superhero films with enormous advertising campaigns; $1billion+ is a ton of money, $875 million is just okay. There's a reason WB panicked and started rewriting JL and cancelling part 2 after BvS came out, and it wasn't because they give a gently caress what critics think, it was because it had a 69% second weekend drop in ticket sales and godawful public word of mouth. They need to just turn the franchise over to Patty Jenkins.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:27
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In favour of what, though by who? Much though they'd like you to believe it, the Marvel formula isn't lightning in a bottle and the exec who drops the guy bringing in 800+ million for another run at Green Lantern better be really sure they know what they're doing. e: ^ Wonder Woman 2 is the film to watch, certainly. Though Snyder was still very much involved in WW. Unrelated, they should get Rachel Talaley in to do a DC movie.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:27
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Schwarzwald posted:Wonder Woman is quite faithful to Zack Snyder's aesthetic. Eh, about half-faithful, just enough to fit with the rest of the movies and not be jarring.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:27
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:What's interesting is that this negative reaction didn't cross over to Wonder Woman, but did cross over to Justice League, which indicates that there probably will be more DCEU films, but if they don't scrap their larger plan and cut loose Zach Snyder and his whole aesthetic, they're nuts. Snyder's pretty clearly not coming back for personal reasons, but the aesthetic thing is odd. Wonder Woman keeps a general Snyder-ish aesthetic and, like you said, was well-received. Suicide Squad is the biggest aesthetic departure from MOS/BVS. So who knows where they'll go from here. I am interested in what James Wan's Aquaman film will look like. Edit: beaten LesterGroans fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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Nov 18, 2017 20:29
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I don't think there's going to be a Justice League directors cut. The director resigned before the movie was finished.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:56
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I don't think there's going to be a Justice League directors cut. The director resigned before the movie was finished. Maybe they'll do one ala "The Donner Cut".
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Nov 18, 2017 20:58
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josh04 posted:In favour of what, though by who? Much though they'd like you to believe it, the Marvel formula isn't lightning in a bottle and the exec who drops the guy bringing in 800+ million for another run at Green Lantern better be really sure they know what they're doing.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:10
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Inescapable Duck posted:All the best superheroes are Australian. There's nothing incoherent about Justice League. If anything it's too straightforward and simple, it hits the exact beats you expect and doesn't try anything interesting.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:48
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The whole concept of a Marvel "formula" is really overblown, considering that Marvel just let the kiwi-Vampire guy turn Thor 3 into a straight-up comedy that looks like a 70's van painting which opened to $122 million on a little over half of JL's budget. Most of the Marvel movies are comedies, that’s actually the Marvel “formula.”
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Yeah, the Marvel formula is a basic 3 act story, amd whenever something gets serious, insert a joke to offset it.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:13
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:BvS didn't make a ton of money by the standards of 250 million dollar major franchise tent-pole superhero films with enormous advertising campaigns; $1billion+ is a ton of money, $875 million is just okay. There's a reason WB panicked and started rewriting JL and cancelling part 2 after BvS came out, and it wasn't because they give a gently caress what critics think, it was because it had a 69% second weekend drop in ticket sales and godawful public word of mouth. They already cut Snyder loose, as best I can tell. WB seems to have written off JL as the last gasp of the old DCEU, if recent reporting is accurate. The DCEU will probably be fine in the long run, if WW is any indication. I’m just curious to see which films beyond Aquaman, Shazam and WW2 get made (I refuse to believe that three films starring Harley Quinn *and* a Deadshot spinoff are all going to happen), whether they recast Batman, etc.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:23
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Barry Convex posted:They already cut Snyder loose, as best I can tell. WB seems to have written off JL as the last gasp of the old DCEU, if recent reporting is accurate. Suicide Squad 2 is a thing that's happening with Gavin O'Connor set as the director and writer. Rumors suggest it will be the film to introduce Black Adam as well.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:28
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Booster gold movie make it happen warner
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Nov 18, 2017 23:33
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Harley Quinn is literally a gold mine. For some reason that character design really resonates with girls, tons of people dressed up as her for Halloween even if they were unfamiliar with the character. They could totally pull that off again.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:36
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Suicide Squad definitely seemed to do well with people who aren't just White Male Nerd, so they should probably try to keep that going.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:49
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It has a more diverse cast than just about any other comic movie except maybe Guardians.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:50
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Al Borland Corp. posted:It has a more diverse cast than just about any other comic movie except maybe Guardians. Yeah that rated super high in the 6 quadrants: male and female, over and under 25s, tree people and furries.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:53
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I don't think there's going to be a Justice League directors cut. The director resigned before the movie was finished. I dunno, there were obviously extenuating circumstances, it's not like he left because he was disgusted with the way things were going or whatever. I can see him not caring to revisit this period because of all the bad memories but then again when it's your daughter where they hell do you go to escape that? Dude does love his work, I can see him at some point agreeing to do one to try and realize what he set out to do since at least BvS. There might be so much post-production work to do on his footage tho that it outweighs the costs benefit tho? I don't know how that works. Otherwise it does make sense for the studio to put out a recut version to sell the same movie to fans two or three times.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:55
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Guy A. Person posted:I dunno, there were obviously extenuating circumstances, it's not like he left because he was disgusted with the way things were going or whatever. The rumor is that the rough cut had too much Evil Superman and the execs popped off. So Snyder brought in Whedon to help soften it up, but his daughter died so he turned the whole thing over to Whedon and walked away. This is somewhat supported by the fact that Superman's stuff beyond clowning the Justice League after his Resurrection and ALL of his dialogue beyond one scene is ALL reshoots. He had a massively different arc, that much is obvious. Anyway look at what they've done with Blade Runner and Army of Darkness, if they think there is an audience there I'm sure they'll do it. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Nov 19, 2017 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Anyway look at what they've done with Blade Runner and Army of Darkness, if they think there is an audience there I'm sure they'll do it. I think the most obvious parallel to draw is the Donner cut of Superman II. quote:Original production Stuff like bringing in another director prior to the first leaving, having to replace/pad out the score, some actors not being able to do reshoots, changes in physique, and a revised screenplay all sound very similar to what happened here. The obvious big difference is the reason for the director leaving. Donner was forced out, Snyder left after a tragedy. As a reminder of how long these things can take, while the TV cut added in about 17 minutes of mostly Donner shot footage, we didn't get the actual Richard Donner cut of the movie for 26 years. And even then they had to take some of Lester's shot, some new visual effects and a screen test of Reeve and Kidder to get the thing completed. That's probably about where the Snyder cut is at the moment. You could probably make most of a movie out of it, but to really make it work you'd need to do some more VFX stuff and maybe even still use some of Whedon's footage. And it should also be pointed out that Superman II, even with all of it's production troubles, is still a movie that most people really like. Justice League is alright at best and it will take a very long time, if ever, for a re-evaluation of BvS (i do think it's already happening for Man of Steel).
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The rumor is that the rough cut had too much Evil Superman and the execs popped off. So Snyder brought in Whedon to help soften it up, but his daughter died so he turned the whole thing over to Whedon and walked away. There are multiple versions of Army of Darkness?
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Nov 19, 2017 00:30
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Anybody good? The lesson from WW is to just make a good superhero movie, ANY good superhero movie, at an appropriate price-point. The whole concept of a Marvel "formula" is really overblown, considering that Marvel just let the kiwi-Vampire guy turn Thor 3 into a straight-up comedy that looks like a 70's van painting which opened to $122 million on a little over half of JL's budget. If it were as simple as instructing people that the movie they make ought to be "good" then there'd be a lot more good movies.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Harley Quinn is literally a gold mine. For some reason that character design really resonates with girls, tons of people dressed up as her for Halloween even if they were unfamiliar with the character. Let me give you the inside scoop: it's because she's cool as hell
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josh04 posted:If it were as simple as instructing people that the movie they make ought to be "good" then there'd be a lot more good movies. Yes, obviously, but the point I was making was that the creation of commercially successful and well received superhero movies isn't something that rests on Zach Snyder's shoulders alone because A) he's 1 for 3 for his last three at this point and B) it's something that a lot of first time superhero movie directors have been handling for years.
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Nov 19, 2017 00:50
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josh04 posted:If it were as simple as instructing people that the movie they make ought to be "good" then there'd be a lot more good movies.
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got any sevens posted:There are multiple versions of Army of Darkness? Apparently, there are four! http://www.bookofthedead.ws/website/army_of_darkness_different_versions.html
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Nov 19, 2017 01:39
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There's so many alternate scenes and lost scenes and refilmed scenes in the Evil Dead series that even though I've seen them all a dozen times I have absolutely no sense of what the hell was in what movie.
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Nov 19, 2017 02:01
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Some brave mother fucker leaked deleted JL footage https://vimeo.com/user74470478 Keeps on uploading more and more.
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Nov 19, 2017 02:55
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It's not brave. People do it all the time for every big nerd movie that's out.
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Nov 19, 2017 02:57
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Ok, some not brave mother fucker leaked deleted JL footage: https://vimeo.com/user74470478 Think he's done uploading now though. I posted this in in the JL thread, but seems like Cyborg would have had a lot more character building. Lines up with Snyder saying Victor's story was going to be the heart of the film. Dang.
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Some person who might be brave in another situation that calls for bravery but not really in this totally normal situation etc
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Nov 19, 2017 04:23
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Maybe I should have used "reckless" instead.
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Nov 19, 2017 04:26
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I read your first post as tongue in cheek re: the brave part, but I guess ymmv
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It's the same thing you see in a dumpster fire video game production. These people are trying to save their careers by throwing the studio under the bus for such ridiculous and unrealistic demands. It's been very entertaining and it'll be interesting to see how the studio reactions and what they do next. If they do anything at all.
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