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Koalas March posted:Yes because that's a thing that's never happened before. Totally no long history of politicians loving over minorities as soon as they become an inconvenience, no siree.
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Koalas March posted:long history of politicians loving over minorities as soon as they become an inconvenience You can just abbreviate this "DNC"
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It'd be worth mentioning if it was something the American far left did, rather than just something every politician in US history has done. I think part of the problem is people get defensive and assume we are only wary of the left loving us over, rather than politicians as a whole. It happens every time, of course folks will be suspicious.
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There are plenty of examples of minority rights being trampled on by left-wing organizations or movements outside of the Democratic party. There's a long and storied history of racist labour actions and the modern women's movement was largely in response to the misogyny and sexual violence that occured within the radical movement culture of the 60s and 70s.
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Koalas March posted:Yes because that's a thing that's never happened before. Totally no long history of politicians loving over minorities as soon as they become an inconvenience, no siree.  Yeah, well maybe if...Koalas March posted:I think part of the problem is people get defensive and assume we are only wary of the left loving us over, rather than politicians as a whole.
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Dunno if a significant portion of the left has a problem with PoC being suspicious of politicians in general, since the vast majority of leftists share that attitude. What the left does have a problem with, however, is centrists who claim that PoC only are suspicious of leftists as a way of pretending that their own poo poo doesn't smell.
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https://twitter.com/OJutel/status/932454798934151168 wtf keith olberman? this poo poo is disgusting... https://twitter.com/OJutel/status/932358563090931712 ditto dailykos... https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/18/1716798/-More-Photos-Emerging-From-Franken-Tweeden-s-USO-Tour-They-speak-for-themselves quote:
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Yeah, this is getting really grim especially in the context of the rhetoric that was coming from that wing of the party just a few days prior.
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It's what happens when people base their politics on tribalism.
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's what happens when people base their politics on tribalism. It may be both tribalism and the that, maybe that very vocal group really didn't actually believe in much of the rhetoric they were spouting. At the core, I think that wing of the Democratic party, as I said in the past, wants the economic status quo and everything else is secondary including it seems issues like sexual harassment. Furthermore, I was pretty bowled over that even a Democrat like Duckworth would be willing to accept tax cuts as long as repatriations (which are almost always fairly minor) goes to infrastructure. 30-40 years ago that would be something a relatively right-wing Republican would have proposed. We are being boiled, the heat isn't set on low but the cover is on the pot.
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Freakazoid_ posted:this sounds hella sketchy Why? Franken is an elected representative, and furthermore he's representing an entire state, it is about more than just one person's wishes at this point. E: VVV Who's voting? I just think he should step down. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Nov 20, 2017 |
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"If you vote against Franken you don't really care about the victim."
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it's also a real trip to see people slut shaming franken's accuser:quote:
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Condiv posted:it's also a real trip to see people slut shaming franken's accuser: dems are supposed to be above a lot of things and still manage to trip over that low bar, so why does this surprise you
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It looks like a second victim has come out against Al so those tweets are not going to have aged well after a day.
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Condiv posted:it's also a real trip to see people slut shaming franken's accuser: As of this morning, there is a second accuser. gently caress anyone who was  about how he shouldn't resign. 
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Misogyny is not limited to the GOP, unfortunately. Liberals and progressives may be more "enlightened" than the GOP on some issues but unfortunately that doesn't mean we don't have a lot of work to do. Part of that work is removing guys like Franken.
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Just about every sexual harassment, assault, or rape story that breaks against someone famous also winds up being just the first to make it into the news rather than a one-time incident. Whether its a position of power/fame protecting the person, police inaction, or survivors understandably prioritizing their recovery and reputations over prosecution, the first case brought to light is usually just one action in a steady line of such behavior that the offender has been getting away with for a long time. Anddddd just as i was typing this up a new accusation has been brought against Franken http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html
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Also: it's important to know that this stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's not surprising that there is a long pattern of behavior in these cases.
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look at this full-hearted apology, this unreserved recognition of his fault:quote:"I take thousands of photos at the state fair surrounded by hundreds of people, and I certainly don't remember taking this picture," Franken said. "I feel badly that Ms. Menz came away from our interaction feeling disrespected." not even bothering to say it didn't happen, plus the old classic of "i'm sorry you feel that way"
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The Muppets On PCP posted:the left is gonna get murdered by the state long before they get enough power to start screwing over minorities cool cool also being murdered by the state rn? minorities, especially left leaning ones
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al franken is a pig and the people who defended him in d&d are also swine
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stone cold posted:al franken is a pig and the people who defended him in d&d are also swine 
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We're supposed to be the bigger party, right? Franken should just step down already.
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Democrats need to Take the G.O.A.T The answer is you cut it off before it's too late
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Katt posted:Democrats need to Take the G.O.A.T GOAT has a different meaning where I'm from... Let's just stay I was loving stumped and flabbergasted for a sec. lol
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oink oink the pigs are out in forceOakland Martini posted:I'm still firmly in favor of Franken NOT resigning. Punishment should be proportional. Molesting children is not in the same ballpark as surreptitiously grabbing an adult woman's butt for a second or taking a creepy photo. Yes, Franken is a creep. No, his behavior doesn't warrant expulsion from the Senate. Let MN voters decide what to do with Franken when he comes up for reelection.
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oink oink oink oinkPhoix posted:Brace yourself for the worst Trump tweets of all time. Vladimir Putin posted:IDK, are we going too far on these. I mean it sounds like he just made advances on his coworkers and was rejected. Maybe we should just make a rule not to consider your coworkers as potential romantic partners. oink
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It's remarkable watching Democratic party apologists pivoting away from "you can't trust the economic left, they're too willing to sideline women and minorities" toward "we must be pragmatic about men like Franken". It's even more remarkable that this is happening literal days after people started acknowledging how gross the defense of Bill Clinton was.
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stone cold posted:oink oink the pigs are out in force stone cold posted:oink oink oink oink  jesus christ
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Thoguh posted:That seems like a bit of a reach... 
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Condiv posted:
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I guess after looking in the mirror, Dems figured maybe some added misogyny also wouldn't hurt.
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Koalas March posted:Misogyny is not limited to the GOP, unfortunately. I've been saying for a long time that misogyny is one of, if not the largest, issue in politics. Many people shouted me down for it, or somehow made it about Nancy Pelosi. gently caress these pigs and their apologists. If you have this poo poo in your past it needs to be known that you will not be accepted to be a public representative. If you have participated in, or enabled these acts at all, you should resign now because they will be found out. I called my D Senator today and expressed my wishes, and I also wrote a letter to the DNC, and tweeted Tom Perez. Do what you can to make sure the party knows this will not be tolerated. There is a reckoning coming for these pigs, and it's a firestorm that hasn't even begun yet.
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There’s definitely some pragmatic value in doing a full senate ethics investigation here before Franken resigns. Benefits could include: 1). Increases publicity and makes it more likely that additional victims come forward, if they exist. Would also encourage victims of other senators. 2). Forces a lot of uncomfortable conversations about the murky area between sexual harassment and sexual assault. 3). Forces other senators, particularly Republican ones, to go on the record describing Franken’s behavior as unbecoming of a senator and worthy of removal from the senate. This would be useful when this happens again.
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Heads up:  A Thread About Sexual Assault, Consent, Survivors and Predators
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JeffersonClay posted:There’s definitely some pragmatic value in doing a full senate ethics investigation here before Franken resigns. Benefits could include: in a shocking turn of events Jefferson "Biden would have won" Clay is opposed to sexual predators resigning from office
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Why do we need to investigate whether an admitted sexual predator is actually a sexual predator? It seems to me there're people who are looking to justify the unjustifiable
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NewForumSoftware posted:in a shocking turn of events Jefferson "Biden would have won" Clay is opposed to sexual predators resigning from office Oh come on, I don’t even like JC and that’s not a fair reading. His first reason is that “so more victims can come forward” and he explicitly said “before he resigns.” I don’t agree with waiting for the ethics committee but reading that post as pro-Franken is bad faith. Besides there’s so many other bad opinions to poo poo on JC for. 
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