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Sagebrush posted:AvE is...problematic. I don't know, I've heard and used "butt hair" as a colloquial unit of measure in shop settings. Even as a 20 year machinist, I've never heard "oval office hair". It seems unnecessarily misogynistic. Also: 1. If he did his research, he'd know that redheads have the thickest hair follicles and should be placed as such. 2. He didn't spellcheck his idiot retard ruler? gently caress that oval office. 3. It looks like a six inch scale, but I don't see a 10/100 scale on it(unless it's on the back). Congrats, fucker. You're stupid and offensive in multiple directions. Also, delicious content: 
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glynnenstein posted:The point is that harsh penalties can have unintended consequences such that past a certain limit you aren't further reducing infractions but actually increasing them, particularly when a driving license is almost causal to employment. What the gently caress? Is someone forcing you to go out somewhere with a car, get drunk, and then drive? If driving is central to your life, how about not endangering that by driving drunk? How would harsh penalties increase infractions? Who gives a gently caress if some shitheel who somehow was unable to avoid a DUI now gets caught driving without a license and gets jailed. Oh no! Consequences!! I mean, I get that living in a lovely country like the US with less medical aid/addiction treatment doesn't make it easy for low income alcoholics but what's the answer? Give people a pass on loving murder?
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Rad-daddio posted:I don't know, I've heard and used "butt hair" as a colloquial unit of measure in shop settings. Even as a 20 year machinist, I've never heard "oval office hair". It seems unnecessarily misogynistic. Also: It's a commonwealth thing though often a red one's "the finest thing you'll ever see" and scaled as such. 2. I don't think he actually sold that one, it's been through several revisions and become some kind of beginner electronics project where you solder on an LED and affix a magnifying glass labeled "pecker detector" Blitter posted:What the gently caress? Is someone forcing you to go out somewhere with a car, get drunk, and then drive? Generally people with their licenses revoked around here will just drive illegally and not get caught unless they do something stupid like being born black. And if you're caught in a parking lot all they can do is tell you to call a ride and wait around hoping you try to drive off. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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So Math posted:Is this as dumb as I think it looks? good way to gently caress up your grape vine, dick
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Blacknose posted:In the UK getting caught drunk driving is an automatic minimum 18 months driving ban. No ifs, buts or appeals. How the gently caress are there developed nations where that isn't the case? gently caress drink drivers and gently caress their rights to drive. Selfish little wankers. Guy in a small town a ways over had his license revoked, so he drove his drat riding mower to the booze store. Can you guess if he was drunk while doing so? He was  Blitter posted:What the gently caress? Is someone forcing you to go out somewhere with a car, get drunk, and then drive? Rich people are willing to give a pass to lovely drunk drivers because they're not allowed in rich people areas  Seriously, 1950s suburban developments made "commute to work" a given design, and worse, they didn't factor in mass transit because "a car in every garage". It was a really short-sighted and obscenely capitalist design which inevitably hosed over whole swathes of communities and helps funnel poor people into compact areas because the range of mass transit limited their mobility. Also, in the U.S., distances and time of transit are interchangeable. That is how integral driving is in the U.S.
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None of that excuses making the choice to get pissed up then drive your car though. I'm aware of the issues the US faces with a dominant car culture etc, but like, just don't drink before driving. It's easy, I do it every day. e; that's not entirely true. I don't drive every day because we don't have hilariously broken towns/cities. But it is true on the days when I do drive.
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Blitter posted:What the gently caress? Is someone forcing you to go out somewhere with a car, get drunk, and then drive? People take a rational thought: "I probably won't be caught," and mix it with a totally irrational weighing of the consequences. That's just human nature and we are stuck dealing with it. The reality is that justice and effective public policy aren't always 1:1. It might be just to punish people more harshly for a given crime, but that doesn't mean it creates the best outcome for society.
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holy poo poo. in the UK, apparantly downsing rods are still in use by almost all water companies to 'detect' water pipelines and ruptures: https://medium.com/@sallylepage/in-2017-uk-water-companies-still-rely-on-magic-6eb62e036b02  look at all those idiot corporate twitter accounts confirming they use divining rods (see the end of the article) https://twitter.com/YorkshireWater/status/932650378260307969 https://twitter.com/thameswater/status/932957516157288448
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I guess the idea is that, besides punishment, it's preferable to actually stop people from driving drunk. Jail works well enough for that but it's not a long-term solution. If you've got a dude somewhere with no public transportation to get him to work and you put a device on his car that makes it very difficult to drive drunk, then most likely he will be driving sober. If you take away his license then he may continue driving anyway in order to work, and will probably be doing so drunk.
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glynnenstein posted:People take a rational thought: "I probably won't be caught," and mix it with a totally irrational weighing of the consequences. That's just human nature and we are stuck dealing with it. The reality is that justice and effective public policy aren't always 1:1. It might be just to punish people more harshly for a given crime, but that doesn't mean it creates the best outcome for society. I doubt it even goes that far in a lot of cases, and instead is flat out self-delusion. "I'll just have one, nothing wrong with stopping for a drink after work, I deserve it. Well, maybe a second one, I'm a big guy, 2 isn't enough for me to be impaired." *Is now slightly impaired, possibly still under the legal limit as planned, but now judgement is impaired* *With reduced judgement more drinking occurs.* By the time they decide to drive home they're drunk, and no longer capable of making rational decisions. Now a person ought to be able to foresee that chain of events before taking the first drink, that's where the self-delusion comes in. Plus for some folks the only socializing they do is at the bar, so not stopping for that drink means social isolation. Drinking alone at home is just sad.
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Lemon posted:I guess the idea is that, besides punishment, it's preferable to actually stop people from driving drunk. Jail works well enough for that but it's not a long-term solution.
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evil_bunnY posted:What is it about drunk driving specifically that makes repressive measures inadequate? Literally every other offense is punishable the same way and no one bats a loving eye. I meant that jail isn't a long-term solution in that unless you're going to lock people up for life then they are probably going to end up on the road again at some point. And that doesn't seem likely to happen.
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Lemon posted:I guess the idea is that, besides punishment, it's preferable to actually stop people from driving drunk. Jail works well enough for that but it's not a long-term solution. Exactly. The concept pervades workplace safety as well.
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evil_bunnY posted:What is it about drunk driving specifically that makes repressive measures inadequate? Literally every other offense is punishable the same way and no one bats a loving eye. What is equivalent though? If you misuse your penis they don't take away your penis licence and force you to abstain from sex for X years after prison. They don't fit you with a penis interlock that will only allow you to use your penis for approved activities.
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dis astranagant posted:Generally people with their licenses revoked around here will just drive illegally and not get caught unless they do something stupid like being born black. And if you're caught in a parking lot all they can do is tell you to call a ride and wait around hoping you try to drive off. Automatic License Plate Recognition solves that to a huge extent. Pass one of those cameras (static or on a police car) and the system will put two and two together and flag you. As far as parking lots go, they would simply do you for Drunk in Charge of a Motor Vehicle instead. Which carries a mandatory 10 penalty points or a discretionary driving disqualification, and a fine of up to £2500 and / or a range of sentencing options including community service or a prison sentence of up to 3 months Drunk driving is an incredibly selfish, incredibly dangerous crime and there should be absolutely no room for excuses. Drunk drivers are cunts and don't deserve any sympathy.
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So someone who puffs a .07 should be punished the same as someone who puffs a .21?
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Automatic License Plate Recognition solves that to a huge extent. Pass one of those cameras (static or on a police car) and the system will put two and two together and flag you. It's not a serious crime everywhere though. One time our provincial Premier was convicted of drunk driving while in Hawaii, it was only a misdemeanour there. If he'd done it in Canada it would have been a felony and he would have been expected to give up the office, but since it was just a misdemeanour there he decided it didn't rate resigning. lol.
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The Lone Badger posted:Step 1 of fixing this is to redesign american cities. Step 2 is to shrink the United States to the size of England and require everyone to live in a city.
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Dui is a misdemeanor
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Phanatic posted:Step 2 is to shrink the United States to the size of England and require everyone to live in a city. Well, not everyone. If you get convicted of drunk driving you're forcibly relocated to Newyork City and never allowed to leave.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Automatic License Plate Recognition solves that to a huge extent. Pass one of those cameras (static or on a police car) and the system will put two and two together and flag you. We had enough problem with traffic light cameras that it's nigh impossible for static cameras to survive court. And in the areas where this is the most problem there aren't a ton of police around checking every car. The road network of your entire nation is barely 3/4 the size of that of my impoverished flyover state. As many have mentioned, jail only works if you're going to keep them there for good and points just lead to them driving illegally. It's not about sympathy, it's about actually trying to solve the problem with the resources available. Also, driving laws generally only apply to public roads. dis astranagant fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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Nocheez posted:This derail sucks. https://i.imgur.com/IsOKmQO.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/4sckavZ.mp4
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Nocheez posted:This derail sucks.
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That noise you can hear is MSHA eating everyone alive and spitting out their bones.
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Was the dude who wanders in late the flagman who was supposed to prevent that exact thing from happening?
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Facebook Aunt posted:What is equivalent though? They do in some cases. Chemical castration.
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Facebook Aunt posted:If you misuse your penis they don't take away your penis licence and force you to abstain from sex for X years after prison. They don't fit you with a penis interlock that will only allow you to use your penis for approved activities.
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evil_bunnY posted:Do you generally apply for a penis license with your state gov? no? Keep your penis license up to date. You don't want it to be impounded.
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Blitter posted:What the gently caress? Is someone forcing you to go out somewhere with a car, get drunk, and then drive? it turns out that habitual drunks are alcoholics who have an addiction which makes them make bad decisions and so you can't expect them to behave in a rational manner which is to explain why someone would make this choice, and keep making this choice. if the consequences don't work the second, third, or fourth time, why would the state expect them to work in the future? wouldn't it be time to try something else? if you jail someone for a long period of time just for repeated duis and no other offences, you've just jailed a drunk. if you take their license away permanently, eventually they're going to drive again illegally - probably without car insurance as well making them blow into an interlock is about the best solution we have boner confessor fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Nov 21, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:it turns out that habitual drunks are alcoholics who have an addiction which makes them make bad decisions and so you can't expect them to behave in a rational manner If you drive a car in the UK without insurance, they take the car away from you on the spot. You only get it back when you have insurance. Hard to drive drunk when your car/truck is in an impound yard.
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spog posted:If you drive a car in the UK without insurance, they take the car away from you on the spot. No, it's not, because you just go on Craigslist and buy a beater from some local guy. NB: "Beater" is US slang for "cheap lovely car."
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spog posted:If you drive a car in the UK without insurance, they take the car away from you on the spot. The average U.S. household has like twelve cars. The solution is to prosecute housemates who fail to keep the keys from them
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spog posted:If you drive a car in the UK without insurance, they take the car away from you on the spot. yeah, same in most/all of the states. driving without insurance is a big crime ...but if you just take away someone's license forever, you're giving them an incentive to break the law, because not driving simply isn't an option for many americans. hence interlocks, because you have to give people an opportunity to do thing legally if they're going to do thing regardless and yeah if you confiscate someone's car they're just going to get a different, cheap car
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evil_bunnY posted:How many states take your license when you don't repay your student loans? I mean we weren't talking about student loans, if you want to bring student loans up, that's a whole different discussion. Hell, we'd need to start at the COST of college first, then we could go into how loans are loving predatory and the fact that you have NO WAY to remove them without payment, because they persist beyond bankruptcy. Then yes, after both of those, we could talk about states suspending/revoking/whatever your license for non-payment of student loans.
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boner confessor posted:it turns out that habitual drunks are alcoholics who have an addiction which makes them make bad decisions and so you can't expect them to behave in a rational manner wtf no a better solution would be to jail them and mandate that they attend rehab sessions so that they can learn how to quit being a danger to everyone around them lmao
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Ahh the good old "Throw people in jail, it solves problems", except that it doesn't. Really, we should just jail everyone and let the human race die off.
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MF_James posted:Ahh the good old "Throw people in jail, it solves problems", except that it doesn't. Maybe Earth is some good planet's Australia.
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Look, I'm need to drive blind-stinking-drunk because of Reaganism and any attempts to dissuade me are racist. Your family is just going to have to roll the dice.
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